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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 9, 2017 9:43:16 GMT
I'm quite sure that the RNG drop percentages won't be shared off the bat... So we'll need to work that out for ourselves. Are there any insights we should apply from those who tried to figure it out for MEMP? I know there were endless debates about which packs were better. Also, there's an interesting mechanic whereby weapons swap in and out of availability: I seem to recall the option to 'buy' packs with specific weapons. If those are time-limited, then the pack system will reward people who 'save' a stash of credits rather than blow them all the time. For the less patient there may be 'real money' options, which I guess is the point... If there is any interest in figuring out the 'stats of RNG', quite happy to update this OP with that data.
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Post by Pearl on Mar 9, 2017 10:48:03 GMT
The only drop rate data people will care about is for Ultra-Rares. All the insights we would need are easily gleaned from ComradeShepard's thread about it on the old BSN (archive link) - Make a simple list of what packs you bought and whether they contained an Ultra-Rare weapon or character. I used a regular note pad and tick marks when I did this for ME3, and here is a crude representation of my sheets. I would recommend adding additional columns in case packs contain double drops (2x weapons, 2x characters, or 1x weapon 1x character) if you decide to copy my work.
- Find someone
dumbgenerous enough to compile and analyze the results, which if I recall correctly, was actually a team effort between three or four people back in the ME3 days.
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Post by P51Mus7ang on Mar 9, 2017 11:31:34 GMT
I kept track for a long time is ME3, however that data is lost due to a HD failure a couple years ago, off the top of my head the only thing I seem to recall was I received a better drop rate of the UR's in packs I purchased, I believe and stand to be corrected I did better than the group that was giving me data by starting with the entry level packs (with game points) to get all the basic weapons then going to a higher pack for UR's. This time around I highly doubt I will buy packs like I did in ME3, being retired with a fair amount of time I will just play it out, also ME3 was my first MP game and I had little to no friends, that has all changed, before friends I remember camping FB White in silver and praying for extraction against Geth, long before the bombers....kind of funny as the majority of us can now solo that map easy... There are still items in ME3 the store still rarely gives me, hope that is better balanced this time around, Power Amps, Ar Amps and Power Amps just seem to avoid me.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 9, 2017 12:20:29 GMT
So now instead of a 0.01% chance of getting any given UR weapon, you now have to wait for it to cycle into the pack rotation for that 0.01% chance.
Unbelievable as it may seem, they figured yet another way to make the store worse
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 9, 2017 12:59:03 GMT
As long as it's not as terrible as Destiny's slot machine RNG was...
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 9, 2017 13:14:23 GMT
Ach, I bet it could be worse. Like having a randomly generated mission with random reward that leads to randomly generated instance that hopefully randomly spawns the enemies you need for a chance to drop random loot, so you can go back, use that loot in a random machine in the hopes to craft a more useful equipment item.
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Post by dcal31 on Mar 9, 2017 17:39:35 GMT
I haven't seen this mentioned on the forum yet, so this seems a good place to drop it.Looks like this would be the alternative currency they referred to before. Pure speculation on my part, but I'm assuming this is what you will need to purchase individual items from the rotating store and will be earned at a much lower rate then the credits used to buy the nonrotating RNG packs. I think that would make more sense than rotating the intentory of every pack every week (or whichever period of time). Unless it's confirmed that's how it works, then disregard this section.
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Post by leafspring on Mar 9, 2017 20:18:56 GMT
I'm quite sure that the RNG drop percentages won't be shared off the bat... Actually they might have no choice come May 1st as that's supposedly the date when the new chinese "RNG law" comes into effect which requires game devs to provide comprehensive drop rates for loot boxes to customers. So unless there's a loop hole Bioware can use, we'll definitely get some numbers in the foreseeable future. They could of course use different drop rates in China to negate any benefit of the numbers but that should be pretty easy to notice and call them out on. - Find someone
dumbgenerous enough to compile and analyze the results, which if I recall correctly, was actually a team effort between three or four people back in the ME3 days.
Pretty easy thing, really - use Google Sheets. A single spreadsheet with one master sheet for the layout and everyone who likes to participate creates their copy of the that sheet and enters their data. By the way, I actually thought about just that earlier today, so chances are I'm going to be the one "dumb" enough to quickly throw something together... edit: I totally forgot about the Google Forms - this might actually be even simpler (well, for the people using it, not the "someone" setting it up...).
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Post by leafspring on Mar 9, 2017 22:16:37 GMT
I quickly threw something together to see what such a sheet would look like (discarded the forms idea - it's easier but takes way too long to enter data): The three saturated columns are the ones where the data goes, the rest is calculated. Let me know what you guys think and if you'd be interested in using this. If enough people are interested I might add buttons (which is ridiculously tedious in Sheets) so you just have to click instead of entering a new number into the counter fields.
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Post by Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3 on Mar 9, 2017 22:37:45 GMT
Another RNG struggle...
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Post by missileglitcher on Mar 9, 2017 23:07:46 GMT
As long as it's not worse than ME3MP's loot system, I'm okay.
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Post by Ghost Of N7_SP3CTR3 on Mar 10, 2017 2:40:16 GMT
It will be the same RNG system as always,and probably worse than before,because you know.Micro transactions and shit.
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Post by Equalitas on Mar 12, 2017 12:12:12 GMT
As long as we dont get copies of the same weapon or there is a limit too how many times you upgrade weapons. Like ME3 X or 10 was the limit.
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Post by Rivercurse on Mar 12, 2017 12:20:59 GMT
I haven't seen a weapon level higher than 5 in the SP as far as I can recall so I don't know if that's the limit. Hopefully it will be the limit in MP aswell, As long as we dont get copies of the same weapon or there is a limit too how many times you upgrade weapons. Like ME3 X or 10 was the limit. I'm quite sure that once you max a weapon it won't drop anymore if that's what you mean. Anyway, i'm perfectly happy to help efforts by tracking what packs I buy and what I get in them, i'll add my results as and when I feel there's a meaningful sample size.
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Post by SalMasRac on Mar 12, 2017 15:03:45 GMT
I haven't seen a weapon level higher than 5 in the SP as far as I can recall so I don't know if that's the limit. Hopefully it will be the limit in MP aswell, As long as we dont get copies of the same weapon or there is a limit too how many times you upgrade weapons. Like ME3 X or 10 was the limit. I'm quite sure that once you max a weapon it won't drop anymore if that's what you mean. Anyway, i'm perfectly happy to help efforts by tracking what packs I buy and what I get in them, i'll add my results as and when I feel there's a meaningful sample size. One of the "gameplay" trailers shows a rank VI Crusader
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