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Post by simsimillia on Mar 10, 2017 11:15:55 GMT
SpaceX is an example of privately funded space travel in our time, so I don't think it's that unbelievable.
Some other things: Supporting 20k Cryo stasis pods is a hell of a lot easier and only requires energy to keep the pods running.
Some of the ships in the Quarian fleet are older than 300 years and have been in continuous service since then. They haven't seen a dry dock in 300 years either and unlike the Nexus or the Arks weren't purpose build for that. Plus unlike the AI Ships they have to deal with with radiation, attacks from pirates and tons of people living on them. Attrition is already less of a factor in space, even more so in between galaxies since you don't even have to worry about things like solar radiation.
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Post by si_r84 on Mar 10, 2017 11:16:02 GMT
I just want to say one thing . . . . . . . it's a game . . . . . . . Now to say other thing's, there are loads of things that are a bit wonky in the ME universe and don't quite make sense or add up but at the end of the day it is a sci-fi game and is meant to be fun and I will repeat again a game so we have to accept putting some disbelief to one side or we will never get any enjoyment between picking holes in the whole ME universe. Sci-Fi + Computer Game = Need to suspend disbelief
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Post by Lionrage on Mar 10, 2017 11:22:12 GMT
Isn't it even stranger that the Nexus basically has to be expanded roughly 60% (adding the Stanford Torus wheel and another Pylon) in the Andromeda galaxy? At least in the Milky Way you could somewhat explain the fast construction by having access to a galaxy-wide industrial base. In Andromeda the rest of it is completed by a population 1/3 the size of Iceland in a galaxy without any established industrial base whatsoever. ;-)
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 10, 2017 11:30:33 GMT
Isn't it even stranger that the Nexus basically has to be expanded roughly 60% (adding the Stanford Torus wheel and another Pylon) in the Andromeda galaxy? At least in the Milky Way you could somewhat explain the fast construction by having access to a galaxy-wide industrial base. In Andromeda the rest of it is completed by a population 1/3 the size of Iceland in a galaxy without any established industrial base whatsoever. ;-) This is one of smallest problems here. Industrial base isn't much of a thing with introduction of ME style 3d printing, lack of population compensated with automated mining and construction. All this implies reasonable time-frame, not several months.
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Post by bloodmagereaver on Mar 10, 2017 11:59:17 GMT
Well...
Speaking like a Sci-fi nerd, I believe the time difference between building war ships and bottle ships has to do with the complexity of the materials and defences used in construction.
The thing is, a dreadnought has much more armor than an Ark not to mention GARDIAN systems and shields strong enough to withstand direct fire from the main canon of other dreadnoughts.
As big as the Arks are and as complex as their propulsion systems look, they are a stretched thin can compared to the dreadnoughts. Therefore is not unfeasible to complete them under 10 years.
Furthermore, each species was building it's own separate Ark simultaneously so their individual manufacturing capabilities were not as hardly pressed as undertaking such endeavour suggests.
The Nexus is way bigger and more complex than the arks but if the manufacturing capabilities of several species was combined over a period of one or two decades it's not unfeasible. I still don't believe it's heavily armed, armored and shielded, at least not before it reaches Andromeda and beggins upgrading itself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 12:04:18 GMT
It was constructed to fast alright. It's penance for its sins in the Milky Way Galaxy. It also self-flagellates from time to time.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 10, 2017 13:28:46 GMT
The Nexus is way bigger and more complex than the arks but if the manufacturing capabilities of several species was combined over a period of one or two decades it's not unfeasible. I still don't believe it's heavily armed, armored and shielded, at least not before it reaches Andromeda and beggins upgrading itself. Combined on Reaper War level? Sure, if they made 10km Crucible in less than a year, making 15km Nexus in 10 years would be piece of cake. To the point that biggest project in this Cycle's history was "for fun" project of some "benefactors". I actually now understand why economy was crumbling in 2185. It was just a massive unemployment hit from these Nexus builders.
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Post by leonick on Mar 10, 2017 14:23:15 GMT
Arcturus station features a 5km diameter Stanford Torus-type ring (compare with the Citadel Presidium ring's 7.2km diameter). Going by how it has been depicted in comics the 'hole' in the ring is also enclosed and the station has two 5+km (docking?) arms.
Construction started in 2151 and was fully completed in 2162, however the station was inaugurated in 2156 and has been the political and military headquarters of System Alliance since 2157. Safe bet that plenty of other stations and ships were built during the same time as well.
So no, I don't think it is too much of a stretch for a multi species initiative in the ME universe to build the Nexus and the four arks in the given timespan.
If you were to say it would have been better if the timeline between the discovery of the Prothean ruins on Mars and ME 1 was three times as long as it is I would most certainly agree, but it is a mere 35 years, that's the setup we have for the ME universe.
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Post by Arcian on Mar 10, 2017 14:25:43 GMT
china's super fast high rise hotel construction in china tv news reviews China build 57 storey skyscraper in record 19 days,so fast ship build in MEA why not ? Because we've been building skyscrapers for near damn a century. It's well-established technology, not bleeding edge like the Ai's tech.
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Post by s0ulbearer on Mar 10, 2017 14:26:51 GMT
It bothers me that people care about such insignificant details. And how do you 'know' that these details are insignificant? I've had more than a few books and movies that I stumbled because something didn't add up very well. In this instance, there's no direct link between the Mass Effect trilogy, so we are starting from scratch with Andromeda. And while I really don't expect a prequel to Andromeda, there's possible DLC and Andromeda Part 2... All unknown. But we won't know until we play the game and read all the novels. It might be explained in the story, codex or even one of the novels. The one title, coming out in June, "Mass Affect Andromeda: The Lost Ark," might have some explanatory background. And a year from now we can bury most of the speculation. Even if it is explained it's still insignificant.
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Post by leonick on Mar 10, 2017 14:28:34 GMT
china's super fast high rise hotel construction in china tv news reviews China build 57 storey skyscraper in record 19 days,so fast ship build in MEA why not ? Because we've been building skyscrapers for near damn a century. It's well-established technology, not bleeding edge like the Ai's tech. The engines and maybe even the cryo pods may be bleeding edge technology, but besides that they're just large spaceships/stations. Humanity has been building habitats in space for decades, the other species even longer.
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Post by Arcian on Mar 10, 2017 14:31:21 GMT
Because we've been building skyscrapers for near damn a century. It's well-established technology, not bleeding edge like the Ai's tech. The engines and maybe even the cryo pods may be bleeding edge technology, but besides that they're just large spaceships/stations. Humanity has been building habitats in space for decades, the other species even longer. I can guarantee you they have never built spaceships or spacestations that can operate at top FTL speeds for 600 years straight without breaking down or running out of power and fuel.
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Post by leonick on Mar 10, 2017 14:39:23 GMT
The engines and maybe even the cryo pods may be bleeding edge technology, but besides that they're just large spaceships/stations. Humanity has been building habitats in space for decades, the other species even longer. I can guarantee you they have never built spaceships or spacestations that can operate at top FTL speeds for 600 years straight without breaking down or running out of power and fuel. No, you're right, but there is a first for everything isn't there? The engines are indeed special in that they use the static buildup for power instead of needing frequent visits to planets to discharge. Has it been established that FTL travel is otherwise destructive to spacecraft? Clearly they brought enough fuel, the ships must be big for a reason.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 10, 2017 14:45:27 GMT
Why are you applying current construction standards to those 150 years in the future?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 16:14:04 GMT
The whole issue of this supposed impossibility of constructing these ships in the time available has been done to death in innumerable threads here since this site opened up and for several months prior to that on the old BSN... it's a broken record at this point and certainly not worth starting another new thread to rehash the same old issue over and over and over again. Your post contains a grand canyon wide hole in your argument.
OP - if they can build the 14 km long crucible in 6 months, they can certainly build the ships involved in the AI (including the Nexus) over a 10-year period. Construction times are something that is greatly variable from project to project.
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Post by ravenous on Mar 10, 2017 17:15:41 GMT
this is a game and this is insignificant
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Post by kino on Mar 10, 2017 17:22:54 GMT
Fortunately my suspension of disbelief is working so, no, doesn't bother me at all.
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Post by jalis on Mar 10, 2017 17:47:01 GMT
this is a game and this is insignificant
For you perhaps. But I understand, players interrogations. To be true, it is not a game, it is a rpg. Here it is always a benefit for immersion to have a minimal coherence and credibility. I have to admit, Andremeda project is a bit borderline.
/joke ; Are you aware andromeda is a very very secret project ?
I just replayed Me1 2 and 3, I asked my good friends Emily Wong and Diana Allers about Andromeda. Andro what ? they said. What have you smoke ? How such colossal and probably highly mediatic project could be completly unknow ? /joke off
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Post by Arcian on Mar 10, 2017 17:52:29 GMT
SpaceX is an example of privately funded space travel in our time, so I don't think it's that unbelievable. Surely you jest? SpaceX may be a private corporation but it's funded entirely by taxpayer subsidies.
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