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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 12, 2017 18:02:23 GMT
He was dishonorably discharged, not dead. You might be misunderstanding the topic. |
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Post by aionis on Mar 12, 2017 18:19:06 GMT
He was dishonorably discharged, not dead. You might be misunderstanding the topic. I understand it perfectly fine, thank you. |
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Mar 12, 2017 19:08:35 GMT
So Ryder daddy issues confirmed?
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Post by peebee on Mar 12, 2017 20:44:57 GMT
He was dishonorably discharged, not dead. Where did you see that? Don't get me wrong, it's just cause with the ingame dialogue option talking about "loss" it does sound indeed like he's dead, I mean I'd like something else to have happened but it was expected. |
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Post by cameronlfc on Mar 12, 2017 20:56:24 GMT
You might be misunderstanding the topic. I understand it perfectly fine, thank you. I doubt the option would be about his "loss" if it was about him losing his job.... |
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Post by aionis on Mar 12, 2017 21:01:56 GMT
I understand it perfectly fine, thank you. I doubt the option would be about his "loss" if it was about him losing his job.... Not HIS loss Which was referring to the discharge. Which was 'dad's loss' of his position. It was seen in the codex where it mentioned Sara was the older sibling. |
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Post by cameronlfc on Mar 12, 2017 21:32:43 GMT
I doubt the option would be about his "loss" if it was about him losing his job.... Not HIS loss Which was referring to the discharge. Which was 'dad's loss' of his position. It was seen in the codex where it mentioned Sara was the older sibling. Were they not talking about people dying? The whole context of the conversation is about people dying, and I'm sure that he was discharged from N7, back in the Milky Way. |
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Post by aionis on Mar 12, 2017 21:38:11 GMT
Not HIS loss Which was referring to the discharge. Which was 'dad's loss' of his position. It was seen in the codex where it mentioned Sara was the older sibling. Were they not talking about people dying? The whole context of the conversation is about people dying, and I'm sure that he was discharged from N7, back in the Milky Way. ?? I saw the video and it could have meant a number of things from friends dying. I'm saying this from the codex entry that was posted and it had nothing to do with N7, Alec was demoted from pathfinder hence kid Ryder being promoted. The game is out in a few days though so we'll see.. |
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Post by Ceoldoren on Mar 12, 2017 21:50:22 GMT
You might be misunderstanding the topic. I understand it perfectly fine, thank you. Can you post this codex your talking about where he was discharged ? I think the discharge is from before he left with the AI. Since it said he was discharged because of his work with Artificial Intelligence. |
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Post by peebee on Mar 12, 2017 21:52:46 GMT
I understand it perfectly fine, thank you. Can you post this codex your talking about where he was discharged ? I think the discharge is from before he left with the AI. Since it said he was discharged because of his work with Artificial Intelligence. Photo in spoiler tag just in case. Here, I found it! Hadn't seen it before. It does sounds to me too like he was dishonorably discharged from the military because he was researching AI (Artificial Intelligence), and that's illegal in the Milky Way. |
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Post by Ceoldoren on Mar 12, 2017 21:53:22 GMT
Also, you can't get dishonorably discharged from a non-military organization....
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Post by Ceoldoren on Mar 12, 2017 21:54:40 GMT
Can you post this codex your talking about where he was discharged ? I think the discharge is from before he left with the AI. Since it said he was discharged because of his work with Artificial Intelligence. Photo in spoiler tag just in case. Here, I found it! Hadn't seen it before. It does sounds to me too like he was dishonorably discharged from the military because he was researching AI (Artificial Intelligence), and that's illegal in the Milky Way. Yeah,he got a dishonorable discharge from the Alliance, not the AI, which you can't be dishonorably discharged from because it isn't a military. |
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Post by Ceoldoren on Mar 12, 2017 21:56:35 GMT
Were they not talking about people dying? The whole context of the conversation is about people dying, and I'm sure that he was discharged from N7, back in the Milky Way. ?? I saw the video and it could have meant a number of things from friends dying. I'm saying this from the codex entry that was posted and it had nothing to do with N7, Alec was demoted from pathfinder hence kid Ryder being promoted. The game is out in a few days though so we'll see.. Nah, man you're wrong. 1. N7 is a spec ops group inside the Alliance. 2. You can't be dishonorably discharged from a civilian organization. 3. That's clearly talking about pre-AI service history. |
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Post by aionis on Mar 12, 2017 21:56:54 GMT
I understand it perfectly fine, thank you. Can you post this codex your talking about where he was discharged ? I think the discharge is from before he left with the AI. Since it said he was discharged because of his work with Artificial Intelligence. I'll have to go and get the photo and the discharge wasn't in the Milky Way. Matter of fact I'm reading the Nexus Rising and he was still in a very high position and well respected: |
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Post by aionis on Mar 12, 2017 21:59:24 GMT
?? I saw the video and it could have meant a number of things from friends dying. I'm saying this from the codex entry that was posted and it had nothing to do with N7, Alec was demoted from pathfinder hence kid Ryder being promoted. The game is out in a few days though so we'll see.. 3. That's clearly talking about pre-AI service history. No, it's not. He still held an N7 position before they left for Andromeda. |
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Post by Ceoldoren on Mar 12, 2017 21:59:53 GMT
Can you post this codex your talking about where he was discharged ? I think the discharge is from before he left with the AI. Since it said he was discharged because of his work with Artificial Intelligence. I'll have to go and get the photo and the discharge wasn't in the Milky Way. Matter of fact I'm reading the Nexus Rising and he was still in a very high position and well respected: I won't be able to stop myself from saying I told you so when the game comes out. Fair warning. And again, you can't get a DD from a non-military organization. |
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Post by Ceoldoren on Mar 12, 2017 22:01:12 GMT
3. That's clearly talking about pre-AI service history. No, it's not. He still held an N7 position before they left for Andromeda. Having been a part of N7 previously would still carry weight. A DD wouldn't change that. |
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Post by aionis on Mar 12, 2017 22:01:45 GMT
I'll have to go and get the photo and the discharge wasn't in the Milky Way. Matter of fact I'm reading the Nexus Rising and he was still in a very high position and well respected: I won't be able to stop myself from saying I told you so when the game comes out. Fair warning. And again, you can't get a DD from a non-military organization. I mean, sure. I'm going from what I'm reading but yeah, we'll see. And I doubt his name would still 'hold weight' if he was dishonorably discharged before Andromeda leave. He still had a pretty in-tact and respected reputation. |
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Post by Ceoldoren on Mar 12, 2017 22:03:05 GMT
I won't be able to stop myself from saying I told you so when the game comes out. Fair warning. And again, you can't get a DD from a non-military organization. I mean, sure. I'm going from what I'm reading but yeah, we'll see. Explain to me how you can get a dishonorable discharge from the AI. If you can tell me that I'll at least say you might be right. |
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Post by aionis on Mar 12, 2017 22:06:22 GMT
I mean, sure. I'm going from what I'm reading but yeah, we'll see. Explain to me how you can get a dishonorable discharge from the AI. If you can tell me that I'll at least say you might be right. Lol, I don't need to explain anything. I posted all the information which led me to believe what I believe, me being right or wrong about this of all things is the least of my worries. Believe what you will. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 22:32:41 GMT
Being a N7 has nothing to do with the Andromeda Initiative hierarchy.
What matters is his status as Pathfinder for the Ai.
Alec might have been discharged from the Alliance, but that wouldn't change his N7 level, or that other people outside the Alliance wouldn't treat him as one.
He might lose his right to officially work as an Alliance soldier, but he's still N7 ranking because N7 is not a position, it's training level. It means you were able to achieve the badassest skill level recognized as a soldier.
You can consider the same thing with Kai Leng, he has been dishonorably discharged, but his status as an N7 soldier remain, he didn't fall to a N6 or N5.
Besides, nothing in the game suggests that Dad Ryder will be "discharged" from the Ai (because it's not a military organization).
As we can see from the videos released, something happens to him (implied to be very bad), and SAM mentions that whatever it was turned out to be extremely hazardous for him.
So we can assume he was either killed or is MIA (and everyone is assuming he's gone).
Considering he also developed an Artificial Intelligence to use in the Initiative, and that he loves to follow protocols, there isn't any reason (yet) to believe something remotely similar to a military discharge happens to him through the course of the game.
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Post by luke on Mar 13, 2017 0:17:06 GMT
I really hope he doesn't die early in the game, but that's the way it's looking. I was hoping to build (or burn) a relationship with him over the course of the game. I also wanted to see a scene where the youthful protagonist is overwhelmed and so DadRyder has to jump in to save the day.
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Post by blanks on Mar 13, 2017 0:24:16 GMT
In game you also see them allude to Alec attempting to interface with the Remnant interface and it going poorly. Alec is either dead or injured. Or my pet theory Johnny Depp in Transcendence. |
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Post by aionis on Mar 13, 2017 1:14:18 GMT
Being a N7 has nothing to do with the Andromeda Initiative hierarchy. What matters is his status as Pathfinder for the Ai. Alec might have been discharged from the Alliance, but that wouldn't change his N7 level, or that other people outside the Alliance wouldn't treat him as one. He might lose his right to officially work as an Alliance soldier, but he's still N7 ranking because N7 is not a position, it's a training level. It means you were able to achieve the badassest skill level recognized as a soldier. You can consider the same thing with Kai Leng, he has been dishonorably discharged, but his status as an N7 soldier remain, he didn't fall to an N6 or N5. Besides, nothing in the game suggests that Dad Ryder will be "discharged" from the Ai (because it's not a military organization). As we can see from the videos released, something happens to him (implied to be very bad), and SAM mentions that what he did turned out to be extremely hazardous for him. So we can assume he was either killed or is MIA (and everyone is assuming he's gone). Considering he also developed an Artificial Intelligence to use in the Initiative, and that he loves to follow protocols, there isn't any reason (yet) to believe something remotely similar to a military discharge will happen to him in the course of the game. Ah I see, I just thought otherwise from what leaks told me. So Ceoldoren is most likely right lol I don't think he's dead though, maybe lost or like others said, MIA. |
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Post by Sifr on Mar 13, 2017 3:31:10 GMT
Yeah, how could Alec Ryder have been dishonourably discharged for conducting AI Research, when the various briefings for the Andromeda Initiative show that they knew about SAM and that they intended to use the AI for the Pathfinder project?
The codex entry therefore must be about his termination from the Alliance for conducting illegal AI research. The Initiative hired him because of his status as one of the first men through the Charon Relay, service during the First Contact War and being one of the first people to gain N7 ranking, which suggests that he retains some level of prestige despite being blacklisted by the Alliance.
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