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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 14, 2017 14:17:34 GMT
Oh I comprehended what you said. It's just not going to happen so get over it already and stop wasting your time, or just play multiplayer when the game is worth that price. Otherwise: No.It is not my feels you should be concerned about. I made my decision a long time ago to no longer support EA, and by extension Bioware or any other company under their umbrella, for reasons that are sufficient to me. The people butthurt about my dissenting opinion, their feels are the ones you should be concerned about. Because they have come out in droves pouring out their hearts and flailing their wits out to protect Biower. Pls.The time to laugh and say I told you so hasn't come yet, yet here they are with ancient images we have seen 10,000 times on these forums alone, and memes as tired as Nugg's Mom after the "night shift". If you've already made your decision to not support EA and Bioware, then why ask for a cheaper copy for just MP? That's makes no sense, since you aren't going to buy it anyway. That would be supporting EA. This just means that you should absolutely just wait for the game to drop in price and then buy it used from Gamestop for half-price. Then EA and Bioware won't get any of your money. Problem solved! You get cheaper MP and you didn't support a company that you feel is undeserving of your money! I'm glad I could solve that for ya!
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 14, 2017 20:52:10 GMT
^^^ You solved nothing for me. This is a discussion forum. I started a discussion on a topic I was interested in, namely as alanc9 noted - this is an argument against "bundling" and the result that bundling has on consumer choice. That so many have been triggered by my hyperbolic yet mostly accurate OP, is sensational.
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Post by Kantr on Mar 14, 2017 21:07:01 GMT
No. They're in the business of making story based character role playing games You see, I used to be an idealist like you. Then I took the ME3 storyline and DAI to the knee. They got my money for years without a moment's hesitation. I used hyperbole in the OP to foment a frothy discussion. The SP community did not fail me. I know nothing with surety about the quality of the SP game on release day, but from everything they've shown us, I for one am not buying it. But that was not the point of my post. The point was, Biower could tell us what proportion of the budget went into the current form of MP and is projected to cost through all planned DLC, and from that make a pro-rated MP-only .exe. I for one would be very interested to see those numbers. As for MP being tacked-on, that was certainly the case with ME3MP -- and it turned out to be better than most of the SP and far more replayable. ME:AMP is expected to be more... And the SP gameplay seems to be based off of it. Do you really think this MP of your precious new game is just a thrown-in afterthought? I find it far more likely to be the only successful part of the game, and a far greater focus than any true Bioware fan would actually want. I'm playing ME:A because it's a new game of the type I like. Not because I'm a rabid fan. However no matter how good or bad MP is, EA isn't going to make Bioware chop the game up or make less money by selling it cheaply. Bioware/EA won't give you the budget numbers as that's private information that could be used by their rivals.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 14, 2017 21:11:54 GMT
^^^ You solved nothing for me. This is a discussion forum. I started a discussion on a topic I was interested in, namely as alanc9 noted - this is an argument against "bundling" and the result that bundling has on consumer choice. That so many have been triggered by my hyperbolic yet mostly accurate OP, is sensational.
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Post by ilsen on Mar 14, 2017 21:57:52 GMT
I was on the fence about this one because I've never played an ME before, but this thread clinched it. I'll preorder one right now to cancel out OP.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 14, 2017 22:00:52 GMT
^^^ You solved nothing for me. This is a discussion forum. I started a discussion on a topic I was interested in, namely as alanc9 noted - this is an argument against "bundling" and the result that bundling has on consumer choice. That so many have been triggered by my hyperbolic yet mostly accurate OP, is sensational.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Mar 14, 2017 22:04:04 GMT
I never thought I would say this, but I kinda wish this could be an option. I think OP is doing some major hyperbolizing, but the more I see, the more lukewarm I feel about SP. There are just a bunch of little things that, while they don't look like game-ruining issues, make me think this team wasn't ready.
I still think the gameplay looks like a lot of fun though, and I am still interested in jumping on the MP train asap. I liked ME3MP, and I want to get in on this one earlier. But I don't really want to buy the SP day one anymore. I'd rather show the team that I think they're fucking up, so that they'll improve. So for that reason, I'd rather buy SP at a discount later. But if I do that, I can't play MP.
*sigh* Decisions, decisions.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 14, 2017 22:40:51 GMT
^^^ You solved nothing for me. This is a discussion forum. I started a discussion on a topic I was interested in, namely as alanc9 noted - this is an argument against "bundling" and the result that bundling has on consumer choice. That so many have been triggered by my hyperbolic yet mostly accurate OP, is sensational. You said in the OP, and I quote, "The MP is a familiar vestige of what I enjoyed... Sell it to me cheap. At least you get some money, and by sales numbers you can tell how royally Mac & Co have schmucked the SP game up, since the MP only version would vastly outsell your 5 year epic shitfest." Then you stated in this thread "I made my decision a long time ago to no longer support EA, and by extension Bioware or any other company under their umbrella, for reasons that are sufficient to me." So your original post is at odds with your other post. You can't say "At least you get some money" when you clearly state you won't buy the game in a fashion that will give EA and Bioware money anyway, because that would be supporting them. These two statements are in opposition to each other. If your point was that it would be nice if some games allowed for separate cheaper purchase of the multiplayer by itself, not bundled with the single-player, then that would have been a basis for discussion. However your post suggests that the only way EA/Bioware will get your money is by splitting the multiplayer off and selling it cheaper, but then say you wouldn't buy it anyway because of "reasons that are sufficient to me." So your OP is just a lie, then. Clickbait? Trolling? I don't know. But you clearly wouldn't buy the MP and support EA/Bioware anyway, so there is no good solution to your OP question.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 22:50:25 GMT
I never thought I would say this, but I kinda wish this could be an option. I think OP is doing some major hyperbolizing, but the more I see, the more lukewarm I feel about SP. There are just a bunch of little things that, while they don't look like game-ruining issues, make me think this team wasn't ready. I still think the gameplay looks like a lot of fun though, and I am still interested in jumping on the MP train asap. I liked ME3MP, and I want to get in on this one earlier. But I don't really want to buy the SP day one anymore. I'd rather show the team that I think they're fucking up, so that they'll improve. So for that reason, I'd rather buy SP at a discount later. But if I do that, I can't play MP. *sigh* Decisions, decisions. Can't you get a full refund on Origin if you are unhappy with the product? Thought EA offered that on all their official titles.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Mar 14, 2017 22:55:57 GMT
I never thought I would say this, but I kinda wish this could be an option. I think OP is doing some major hyperbolizing, but the more I see, the more lukewarm I feel about SP. There are just a bunch of little things that, while they don't look like game-ruining issues, make me think this team wasn't ready. I still think the gameplay looks like a lot of fun though, and I am still interested in jumping on the MP train asap. I liked ME3MP, and I want to get in on this one earlier. But I don't really want to buy the SP day one anymore. I'd rather show the team that I think they're fucking up, so that they'll improve. So for that reason, I'd rather buy SP at a discount later. But if I do that, I can't play MP. *sigh* Decisions, decisions. Can't you get a full refund on Origin if you are unhappy with the product? Thought EA offered that on all their official titles. I'd forgotten they did that. But apparently you can only return within 24 hours of first launching the game, so I'd have to clear a large chunk of time one day. Regardless, I'm thinking maybe second week purchase to put it outside the important first week sales frame.
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Why are we still feeding the troll Because this place is boring without them.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 14, 2017 23:32:17 GMT
Maximusarael said... It is not a lie. I would consider buying the MP only, despite my boycott of EA and my sense of WTF with Biower, were it an option. At full price, because it would be fun for at least a couple weeks at minimum if it sucked, for shitposting ammunition... And if it was good, I would play it more, and likely be convinced that despite my boycott, the game is just too good and I must be Ryder now. I would buy the SP portion, eat crow and be happy about it. How likely is that?
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 14, 2017 23:34:54 GMT
So let me get this straight. The OP wants to buy a BioWare game, which are known to be story-driven single player RPGs where choices matter, for the tacked on multiplayer with microtransactions? I know some love ME3 MP and will likely love this game's version as well, but come on... Who buys a BioWare game just for the multiplayer? Did Mass Effect Andromeda turn into Call of Duty when I wasn't looking?
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7 pages, maybe we can go even further...
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Post by fiannawolf on Mar 15, 2017 0:22:59 GMT
I have similar feelings about the COD zombie mode stuff. Would love to have a disk with just all the zombie maps/story modes.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 15, 2017 1:45:38 GMT
So let me get this straight. The OP wants to buy a BioWare game, which are known to be story-driven single player RPGs where choices matter, for the tacked on multiplayer with microtransactions? I know some love ME3 MP and will likely love this game's version as well, but come on... Who buys a BioWare game just for the multiplayer? Did Mass Effect Andromeda turn into Call of Duty when I wasn't looking? look at my old BSN join date, my posts there, and the BioWare games I own and have played. I modded KotOR, and was well-known in that modding community. Never played any MP before ME3, never intended to play that MP except to get the optimal ending that was only available originally by playing MP. Ended up loving it. I have no intention of buying another Biower game for the SP unless this one absolutely, no-holds-barred blows it out of the stratosphere. I bought BioWare games for the SP. They are not the same company, but maybe you haven't noticed. By the way, we are posting on a fan forum, because... Biower loves u
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 15, 2017 1:54:47 GMT
look at my old BSN join date, my posts there, and the BioWare games I own and have played. I modded KotOR, and was well-known in that modding community. Never played any MP before ME3, never intended to play that MP except to get the optimal ending that was only available originally by playing MP. Ended up loving it. I have no intention of buying another Biower game for the SP unless this one absolutely, no-holds-barred blows it out of the stratosphere. I bought BioWare games for the SP. They are not the same company, but maybe you haven't noticed. By the way, we are posting on a fan forum, because... Biower loves u Whatever your history with BioWare previously is irrelevant. You want to buy a game that's main content is single player strictly for a multiplayer experience. A few of the BioWare's leadership have left over the last five years (Ray and Greg, Casey Hudson, David Gaider, etc.), but much of the studio that has been there since the Baldur's Gate days is still there. BioWare admitted they didn't look at BSN nearly as much as they should. I prefer them being blatantly transparent rather than never bothering to look at our feedback on a forum they are supposed to monitor. If you despise BioWare that much, it makes me wonder why you even bother to post on a fan forum dedicated to a studio you no longer respect.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 15, 2017 2:33:34 GMT
It is not a lie. I would consider buying the MP only, despite my boycott of EA and my sense of WTF with Biower, were it an option. At full price, because it would be fun for at least a couple weeks at minimum if it sucked, for shitposting ammunition... And if it was good, I would play it more, and likely be convinced that despite my boycott, the game is just too good and I must be Ryder now. I would buy the SP portion, eat crow and be happy about it. Wait, are you now saying you would buy the multiplayer at full price? So $60?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 15, 2017 3:42:25 GMT
No, I would pay the full pro-rated price of the MP, if they were to release it on release day as a standalone product, for full price. This has been explicit from the OP.
Kamille, I fail to see how my previous enjoyment of most previous BioWare titles is irrelevant. Stating that it is, is just.... Weird.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 15, 2017 3:51:08 GMT
No, I would pay the full pro-rated price of the MP, if they were to release it on release day as a standalone product, for full price. This has been explicit from the OP. Kamille, I fail to see how my previous enjoyment of most previous BioWare titles is irrelevant. Stating that it is, is just.... Weird. What if the full pro-rated price was $59.00?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 15, 2017 4:02:09 GMT
No, I would pay the full pro-rated price of the MP, if they were to release it on release day as a standalone product, for full price. This has been explicit from the OP. Kamille, I fail to see how my previous enjoyment of most previous BioWare titles is irrelevant. Stating that it is, is just.... Weird. What if the full pro-rated price was $59.00? You would then make a complete joke of your dear unreleased product, my friend. You do understand what "pro-rated" means? If you do, you are then saying that by the time all MP DLC is released, that the development costs between SP and MP would be equivalent. If that is true, holy shit is the SP gonna suck.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 15, 2017 4:23:22 GMT
What if the full pro-rated price was $59.00? You would then make a complete joke of your dear unreleased product, my friend. You do understand what "pro-rated" means? If you do, you are then saying that by the time all MP DLC is released, that the development costs between SP and MP would be equivalent. If that is true, holy shit is the SP gonna suck. Well you have to understand that most of the materials used in the single player apply to the multiplayer as well. Character models, weapons, textures, buildings, voice actors, animations, etc. So everything they develop for the main game that is used in MP would be included in the price, since you can't just separate that out. Those people who did the art and all that for the SP game that is used for the MP game get paid the same. There job was to make a salarian model, so they did. You can't separate out the MP part of that. Also remember that the MP ties in to the SP with the Strike Team missions, so that cost is added, etc. In the end, after adding in all the cost of shared resources and time and the interplay between SP and MP, then understanding that profit needs to be made and cutting off MP and SP into two separate games is OBVIOUSLY not a good market strategy because the companies who are out to make as much money as possible in this field don't do it that way, and they spend shit tons of money on market research and have teams of people looking at charts and graphs and statistics as their full time job then you probably are saving about a dollar. $59! Unless you think that somehow you are better at marketing and selling games than one of the largest games producers in the world?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 15, 2017 5:36:31 GMT
I don't care about real world concerns my simple man. In case you've missed it, these are fan forums dedicated to fantasy.
I know they would never do what I ask, regardless of the fiscal breakdown. That is for some smart reasons, and smart reasons don't always benefit the consumer. For the record, you are the consumer.
As for your breakdown of how money was spent on assets.... You are grossly oversimplying the comparable amounts of content between the SP and MP games. Despite an earnest attempt at a legitimate criticism, it was quite flawed.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 15, 2017 7:03:43 GMT
I don't care about real world concerns my simple man. In case you've missed it, these are fan forums dedicated to fantasy. I know they would never do what I ask, regardless of the fiscal breakdown. That is for some smart reasons, and smart reasons don't always benefit the consumer. For the record, you are the consumer. As for your breakdown of how money was spent on assets.... You are grossly oversimplying the comparable amounts of content between the SP and MP games. Despite an earnest attempt at a legitimate criticism, it was quite flawed. Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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