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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 13, 2017 10:25:36 GMT
Welp, seeing as how BioWare will NEVER do this, I suggest finding a new game to play OP. No amount of ranting on the forum about this, especially when so few people agree with you, is going to change the price on the game at this point.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 13, 2017 11:31:32 GMT
Welp, seeing as how BioWare will NEVER do this, I suggest finding a new game to play OP. No amount of ranting on the forum about this, especially when so few people agree with you, is going to change the price on the game at this point. No amount of ranting here will do anything, other than stir the local pot. This is a Bioware Fan Forum, not official, and thankfully moderated fairly with no company-man action. Enough people agree with me in premise, if not in approach. That's nothing new. Every opinion is valid, and should the SP game be outstandingly good I will buy this thread some cupcakes.
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Post by Shinobu on Mar 13, 2017 11:50:04 GMT
Welp, seeing as how BioWare will NEVER do this, I suggest finding a new game to play OP. No amount of ranting on the forum about this, especially when so few people agree with you, is going to change the price on the game at this point. No amount of ranting here will do anything, other than stir the local pot. This is a Bioware Fan Forum, not official, and thankfully moderated fairly with no company-man action. Enough people agree with me in premise, if not in approach. That's nothing new. Every opinion is valid, and should the SP game be outstandingly good I will buy this thread some cupcakes. Chocolate for me, please! I think they had to take the squad loadout/armor away from us because we are no longer controlling the squad's actions. The AI is going to be on shaky enough ground without having to take into consideration that some people are going to equip their sniper with a hammer and bikini. By making the armor and weapon non-customizable they can build in AI behavior that is appropriate for each squaddie. Vetra has an AR, so I fully expect her to try to maintain some distance, while Cora and Liam will try to get in everything's face (not sure that's such great idea, but we'll see). In ME2 I took Garrus and Miranda everywhere and they had a serious deathwish. I HAD to micromanage them sometimes to keep them alive. If the new squad have AI like the DAO "If immobile, Alistair use shield bash" thing, only not having to be written by me, then I can see it taking away player freedom, but I'm not opposed to it because that's not the part of RPGs that I love the most. It's like the people who decried lack of inventory management in ME2. Yes, that's part of traditional PnP RPGs, but is that why I play? God, no! I just want to walk around, TALK to people and shoot things. You were an SP player who liked MP. They are making SP more like MP with squaddies who are like PUGs. As others said, try it, you may like it. Also, a word of caution: using salt in the OP just makes others salty without adding to the discussion. Because I know you I was willing to engage, but if I didn't know you to be a good guy I'd just walk past without commenting as everyone seems to be piling on.
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Post by TheGodlyFist on Mar 13, 2017 12:29:22 GMT
I need to take a picture with this destruction.
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Post by TheGodlyFist on Mar 13, 2017 12:33:25 GMT
I see your $30 standalone MP and raise you $70 for a character creator. I raise you $80 for the romance options.
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Post by TheGodlyFist on Mar 13, 2017 12:33:54 GMT
This is almost as good as the hair thread.
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Post by TheGodlyFist on Mar 13, 2017 12:38:20 GMT
Trollong or no having control over companions equipment doesn't make a game an RPG. It's just common in them. If that's what is required to make it an RPG for you then to fuckin' bad as far as I'm concerned. Go play some PnP and try to dictate what everyone should be doing. Stripping an 'RPG' out of features that are characteristic to the RPGs makes it less and less of an RPG. ME:A is now more of a platformer than RPG. Technically Mass Effect was never really an RPG. Role-Playing lite as I like to call it.
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Post by TheGodlyFist on Mar 13, 2017 12:41:53 GMT
I want this thread to go on forever, this is great.
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Post by pdusen on Mar 13, 2017 12:46:39 GMT
I swear, I remember DA:I having this exact thread in reverse.
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Post by degs29 on Mar 13, 2017 13:36:21 GMT
Yeah, I don't see that happening, anymore than they'd release a single-player only copy.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 13, 2017 13:37:30 GMT
Welp, seeing as how BioWare will NEVER do this, I suggest finding a new game to play OP. No amount of ranting on the forum about this, especially when so few people agree with you, is going to change the price on the game at this point. No amount of ranting here will do anything, other than stir the local pot. This is a Bioware Fan Forum, not official, and thankfully moderated fairly with no company-man action. Enough people agree with me in premise, if not in approach. That's nothing new. Every opinion is valid, and should the SP game be outstandingly good I will buy this thread some cupcakes. Amazing as it is to some, there are many, possibly even many tens of thousands who only play multiplayer. Now, many tens of thousands may not justfy AAA investment for a separate title, the idea has certainly been considered. (unless this footage has been debunked?) From surveys of SP and MP playing preference, around 1/4 will play more multiplayer than single-player (I certainly did for ME3MP). Not touching SP at all is more niche still but not a totally illogical position to hold. Splitting it off? As practical as splitting off a romance simulator or a world-building sandbox or a racing game, I suspect, though more for commercial reasons than technical ones.
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Post by ssrojo on Mar 13, 2017 13:52:56 GMT
I don't see how you consider yourself a bioware "fan", if you can't even support the dev's vision of the game. But you can go ahead miss the game while you see youtube videos of reviewers expressing why they're having a blast. I doubt anyone would shed a tear.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 13, 2017 14:32:59 GMT
No amount of ranting here will do anything, other than stir the local pot. This is a Bioware Fan Forum, not official, and thankfully moderated fairly with no company-man action. Enough people agree with me in premise, if not in approach. That's nothing new. Every opinion is valid, and should the SP game be outstandingly good I will buy this thread some cupcakes. Amazing as it is to some, there are many, possibly even many tens of thousands who only play multiplayer. Now, many tens of thousands may not justfy AAA investment for a separate title, the idea has certainly been considered. (unless this footage has been debunked?) From surveys of SP and MP playing preference, around 1/4 will play more multiplayer than single-player (I certainly did for ME3MP). Not touching SP at all is more niche still but not a totally illogical position to hold. Splitting it off? As practical as splitting off a romance simulator or a world-building sandbox or a racing game, I suspect, though more for commercial reasons than technical ones. Splitting the game itself probably wouldn't be too much of a technical challenge. The problem I think technically is bug support, for you would have to double up everything when trying to squash bugs in the game to make sure that even if it is a single player patch it might not have some weird unforeseen issue inside of multiplayer.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 13, 2017 14:33:31 GMT
I don't see how you consider yourself a bioware "fan" This old link might indicate otherwise I have been a Bioware fan before many folks here were old enough to play their first Bioware game.
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Post by TaliWhacker on Mar 13, 2017 14:37:09 GMT
I see your $30 standalone MP and raise you $70 for a character creator. I raise you $80 for the romance options. I match your $80 for half a romance. One of the non-crew.
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Post by Beerfish on Mar 13, 2017 14:46:57 GMT
I'm still upset they wasted all of that mp budget on the sp game for mass effect 3. All they had to do was put the extra $50 million into mp and we could have had 30 more maps and 5 new factions.
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Post by Wynne on Mar 13, 2017 15:38:12 GMT
Dark chocolate with violet butter cream is my favorite.
I played the SP campaign of ME3 only once. Once was enough. I cannot find a single reason in hell to ever play it again. I wouldn't subject myself to that kind of pain another time, knowing how it ends. The very thought, though it has occurred multiple times as I greatly cherished my other two main playthroughs of the series before that point, is so depressing that I can't stomach it. I did end up playing the MP a lot. So yeah, that part I get.
But Andromeda is a fresh start. It doesn't have the same people in charge, or I wouldn't have bought it if Ken Bek showed up at my doorstep naked to beg me to. I refuse to judge it by trailers, as trailers made ME3 look like the perfect SP game. So did the reviews. I will only judge its worth when it is in my hot little hands. I trust myself, my own judgment, and empirical evidence, not a bunch of laughably biased speculation on the internet which is no better than anything that led me to believe ME3 wouldn't depress the living shit out of me--for all the wrong immersion-destroying reasons.
If it's anywhere near as soul-crushing as ME3, which basically isn't even possible, then I likely just won't buy another ME game ever. Otherwise, I'm good to just see what I think. I don't believe Mac Walters or Drew Karpyshyn were the bad guys--I think they were the talents. I'm ready to find out if I was right. Watching the AI briefings, reading the note from Alec Ryder... it all brings back those good ME1 vibes that I loved so much. It feels a little like the suicide mission too, which was the best part of ME2. It feels like the real Mass Effect to me.
So, QGG, go ahead and relax for a couple of weeks. The supernerds who have already bought the game will be around to tell you how it all feels in practice and whether the SP makes the full game worth dropping 60-70. But this toxic ranting about a game you've not played is pointless.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 13, 2017 15:50:37 GMT
If this thread is locked, it will be because the vast majority of you cannot argue with my post in any intelligent way beyond flaming. Getting called a cunt, for example, because I have a different opinion about how this game is turning out to be upon release, and how I would pay for the portion of it that I want to play... Is classy. Stay classy, fanboyolas You seem to lack the ability to argue in an intelligent manner.
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Post by kevpool184 on Mar 13, 2017 15:51:13 GMT
Of course, the fanbois think I'm trolling. Having an opinion that disagrees with yours = trolling. Yay. If they want my money, they should consider selling the portion of the game I am interested in. that's no fucking opinion, this is one of the most stupid requests i have ever read. plain. dumb. there isn't even room to stay classy, you're simply being cheap, lol. i won't even take my time to explain why, it is common sense. if you're lacking even this, i feel sorry for you twice.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 13, 2017 15:55:50 GMT
Of course, the fanbois think I'm trolling. Having an opinion that disagrees with yours = trolling. Yay. If they want my money, they should consider selling the portion of the game I am interested in. that's no fucking opinion, this is one of the most stupid requests i have ever read. plain. dumb. there isn't even room to stay classy, you're simply being cheap, lol. i won't even take my time to explain why, it is common sense. if you're lacking even this, i feel sorry for you twice.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 13, 2017 16:01:53 GMT
that's no fucking opinion, this is one of the most stupid requests i have ever read. plain. dumb. there isn't even room to stay classy, you're simply being cheap, lol. i won't even take my time to explain why, it is common sense. if you're lacking even this, i feel sorry for you twice. Wow......I take it back you aren't trolling. Your life must be really sad for you to get this butthurt over a game. Perhaps if your thread had actual constructive criticism in it people would have taken you seriously. Now just go play Overwatch or something and chill.
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Post by vanguardn7 on Mar 13, 2017 16:04:01 GMT
I have an answer for you. want tell a month after release go gamestop or whatever it is where you live. buy heavily discounted used copy. because clearly it's going to be terrible and no one could possibly like it.
or if/when it turns out to be pretty good quietly buy it and pretend you did the above.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 16:16:12 GMT
It'd prolly be quite challenging for them to separate SP and MP in this title, OP. They've been crowing about seamless transitions between the modes, after all.
If DAI is any indication, they might eventually make MP available for free.
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Post by sushidubya on Mar 13, 2017 16:17:16 GMT
I will play both SP and MP, but I think 1/2 price for MP only is genius and more companies should learn from it. It should go both ways though.
Also, give the folks that do the 1/2 price MP only pack a chance to upgrade to the full game by paying the other 1/2 of full price if they are curious.
It can be argued however, that the development cost of SP and sheer amount of content in SP vs MP would make the 1/2 price unfair for MP only folks.
If we knew how much content is truly in the MP part of the game this would be a better discussion..
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