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Post by Reznore on Mar 15, 2017 12:56:30 GMT
So... How do I put this nicely ? Remember reading SAM was going to be somewhat controversial ?
Well there's some early footage that might explain why. And indeed OH GOD WHY !!!!!
Remember that ME3 ending we'd all like to forget about one day...it seems some people at Bioware might be thinking that bringing back some theme from that wreck would be nice. (Nope , no , no it isn't)
So here's a scene that makes my bullshit sense tingling. Dad Ryder , in a flashback, is explaining he wants an edge over other council races, sounding very Cerberus like in his argumentation, and that edge is AI. But not like the geth because ...he explains about the created always destroying their creators (brainbleach...please)....but there's HOPE if an AI could MERGE with humans (I'm having terrible green flashback...) And SAM is pretty much forced on your Ryder, with a storyline that will go who knows where .
Why, I mean why BIoware , why go back there !!!!! There's a tiny chance of getting this to some place interesting (I like to think of myself as optimistic most days) but there's a bigger chance of pissing the old fanbase off all over again.
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Post by Plague Doctor on Mar 15, 2017 13:36:07 GMT
Hey, im a transhumanist anyway, so its not a big deal for me. Id let someone connect an AI to my brain IRL right this second. So i for one hope Alecs dream comes to fruition. ^^
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Post by Reznore on Mar 15, 2017 13:48:21 GMT
Hey, im a transhumanist anyway, so its not a big deal for me. Id let someone connect an AI to my brain IRL right this second. So i for one hope Alecs dream comes to fruition. ^^ Really? If there's one thing I'll never understand is people getting all excited about AI... Anyway one red flag about SAM is from what I saw there really is no way to say "I'm not alright with this". And in the Mass Effect universe , it would make plenty of sense to not be ok with it. But it seems the story somewhat railroad you into being supportive of your father's experiments, and you're supposed to discover along the way the true purpose of SAM.(whatever that is, perhaps an AI augmentation of all humans in Andromeda so they can rule over that galaxy*shrug* ) Now like I said the overall SAM arc can be vaguely interesting but the lack of opinions, the bringing back some last minute ME3 theme, and the lack of taking into account the ME universe general stance on AI when it comes to main NPCs is a no-no for me so far. I'm curious where this is going , which is good , but I'm already getting annoyed which is less good. We shall see.
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 15, 2017 14:27:04 GMT
Link to sauce?
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Post by Reznore on Mar 15, 2017 14:35:02 GMT
There's story spoilers other than SAM in there, be warned. Ryder family shenanigans.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 15, 2017 15:00:33 GMT
I'm not thrilled about this. I personally would not like to be connected to an AI and the fact I can't express that is a little disconcerting. I prefer my private space being private and having to share my head with anyone regardless of them being organic or an AI sounds awful.
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Post by jtav on Mar 15, 2017 15:04:31 GMT
The ideas behind both a singularity ("AI will outpace us") and merging with tech are sci-fi staples. They just weren't explained well at all, nor were they grounded in the original trilogy. I'm looking forward to this.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 15, 2017 15:06:19 GMT
Putting aside the opinion on the deeper connection between SAM and Ryder, what Alec reminded me about was more similar to the Geth-Quarian peace option then synthesis.
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Post by Rannik on Mar 15, 2017 15:20:31 GMT
Bow down to the synthesis ending Master Race.
Your struggle is futile.
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Post by Ryzaki on Mar 15, 2017 15:51:05 GMT
...The one thing that'd make me back out of ME is if they keep pushing that synthesis bullshit. Shit. I'm going with TEK and assuming it's more liek the Geth/Quarians than that abomination.
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Post by naytnavare on Mar 15, 2017 16:06:30 GMT
Eh. I'm not worried, didn't seem too bad to me.
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Post by laxian on Mar 15, 2017 16:42:28 GMT
Hey, im a transhumanist anyway, so its not a big deal for me. Id let someone connect an AI to my brain IRL right this second. So i for one hope Alecs dream comes to fruition. ^^ Same here (as long as it's communication only, don't want the AI to "hack" my brain or manipulate my body-chemistry (as usefull as that would be...more dopamine if you need to concentrate, more adrenaline if truly needed etc.!))...I'd love human augmentation (then again: I am pro "designer babies", too (if that means selecting against genetic diseases...humanity would be greater for it if people with genetic illnesses they can pass on would not have children or only have kids without those illnesses!) and genetic manipulation etc. So I personally have no problem with storyline (if they had done some foreshadowing and if they got rid of the god-child etc. and showed our armies right (damned I want Volus bombers, walking Elcor tanks, charging Krogan etc.) etc. etc. then that ending would have worked well...also: I'd have loved some kind of Fallout style ending slides showing us what the characters are doing if they have survived, even minor ones like Conrad Verner, that bitch reporter etc.! (the slides would change depending on how you interacted with the characters of course!)) greetigns LAX
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 15, 2017 16:44:26 GMT
It all comes back to that one book Mac Walters did read in college... Hey Mac, not all scifie has to be Terminator or the Matrix! Shocker, I know!
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 15, 2017 16:55:40 GMT
It all comes back to that one book Mac Walters did read in college... Hey Mac, not all scifie has to be Terminator or the Matrix! Shocker, I know! The idea of the kett might've not been his. Scherf was the lead writer for the early/middle stages. It might've been is.
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Post by xeternalxdreams on Mar 15, 2017 16:55:59 GMT
Is it thanks to SAM's help (with the medical team as well) for not dying? I guess like SAM said after that..
A symbolic relationship?
The day SAM thinks he doesn't need a human is when it would become a horrible idea to merge but I don't see it happening in the series.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 15, 2017 18:20:03 GMT
Maybe Javik should have a talk with them about the zha'til? I mean that went well, right?
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Post by Raga on Mar 15, 2017 20:11:16 GMT
See, I was mostly willing to admit that my belief that some high-up at Bioware is a proselytizing avant-garde pseudo-science junkie who thinks he's terribly clever was mostly tinfoil hat thinking. But then this kind of thing shows up.
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Post by jastall on Mar 15, 2017 20:17:16 GMT
Using similar themes as the ending doesn't mean it will copy them.
The problem with the ending is that the organic vs synthetic theme was shoehorned-in at the last second, with Synthesis as a completely nonsensical solution. I don't have a problem with Andromeda exploring organic and synthetic relationship if it does it properly.
As someone said, this sounds more like the Geth helping the Quarians after the peace than Synthesis. SAM basically saves your life after the prologue mission, I'm unsure how all this is forced.
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Post by LilTIM on Mar 15, 2017 20:28:59 GMT
I like that someone on the game brings up being pro human, so far i've seen nothing about species conflict, beyond the obvious Kett shoot us, so they're bad. I would like to see frictions between milky way species and problems with the Angara about settlement and resources. It doesn't need to be always about a big bad that wants to destroy the galaxy.
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Post by Reznore on Mar 15, 2017 21:10:00 GMT
As someone said, this sounds more like the Geth helping the Quarians after the peace than Synthesis. SAM basically saves your life after the prologue mission, I'm unsure how all this is forced. You might want to have SAM out of your brain. It is invasive, it triggers memories that aren't yours and basically it talks in your head. I believe the Geth software was in the Quarians suits.But I'm not sure. Storywise it is forced because by default your character is supportive of SAM and everybody is like Alec Ryder was a badass genius. Well there's one person who dislike him but she's an obvious sour cookie. The story migh branch out later, but I have reasons to be cautious about those theme in ME .
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 15, 2017 22:40:14 GMT
Time for an emergency lobotomy.
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Post by duskwanderer on Mar 15, 2017 23:30:26 GMT
I'd like an AI to optimize my biological inefficiencies. Hell, if they could stop my telomeres from losing bits of themselves, we could solve aging forever.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 16, 2017 8:22:01 GMT
Knew it.
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Post by Arcian on Mar 19, 2017 22:40:49 GMT
Maybe Javik should have a talk with them about the zha'til? I mean that went well, right? Javik would airlock the entire Andromeda galaxy if he knew even half the shit that's going down there.
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Post by spacebeetle on Mar 19, 2017 22:46:41 GMT
Time for an emergency lobotomy. Or for a free for all buffet of lotus flowers... eat one after every scene with SAM.
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