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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 16, 2016 18:07:44 GMT
I know this might be some what unpopular but at a certain point the Dragon Age series is going to need a soft reboot.
Moving the events say 20-30 years after the events of Trespasser might not be a bad idea for the series. It would allow the storytellers more freedom without having to rely on previous games' stories and the multitude of outcomes and trying to create a 1000 world states based off the Keep. It would also allow for most of the established characters to be written out (they die of old age, or on adventures). Sorry but do we need keep dragging Leliana, Morrigan, Zevron, Isabela, Alistair, Cullen, Stern, Merrill, Anders, Sera, Cassandra, Varric, the HoF, Hawke, the Inquisitor, and the rest around as NPCs forever and forever?
At some point the decisions made on the Keep will become a such a burden that I don't see how it can allow any new game because it will become next to impossible to keep every little thing in check and since the fans (and it seems some of the devs at BioWare right now) don't want to canonize major events like who won the Landsmeet, the ruler of Ferelden, what happened to the HoF, which side Hawke chose, the leader of Orlais, who became the Divine Victoria and what her politics were and etc, or do much as little as possible.
I find moving the series 20-30 years in the future an acceptable solution to those major events to have less of an impact than if the next Dragon Age game would be set the day after the events of Trespasser. The events would still have an impact on the world but it would show how those large events could be shown as more subtle.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 18:27:20 GMT
Or they could just tear down the Veil. That would cause some serious changes to occur across Thedas, character deaths, etc.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 16, 2016 18:34:13 GMT
Since we are going north to Tevinter, most of the choices we made and characters we met will have little to no effect on the events of the game. So no need for a huge time skip since the issue you are talking about is already being dealt with.
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 16, 2016 19:36:31 GMT
Since we are going north to Tevinter, most of the choices we made and characters we met will have little to no effect on the events of the game. So no need for a huge time skip since the issue you are talking about is already being dealt with. Yes, I think the geographic move will rectify the 'problems' people have with re-appearing NPCs. That's not to say there won't be any, of course; Dorian is almost certainly going to come back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 20:33:19 GMT
No. That would make Solas look painfully incompetent.
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 16, 2016 20:40:38 GMT
No. That would make Solas look painfully incompetent. Although I don't agree with the OP's position, I have to question your assertion. Why would it make him seem incompetent? He can afford to wait a long time for the right opportunity. If I were immortal and my enemies were not, the smart thing to do might be to go into hiding and simply wait for them to die.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 22:28:30 GMT
I think DA5 should be set at the very end of the Dragon Age, personally, but DA4 needs to follow up on the epilogue/prologue that is Trespasser.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 17, 2016 15:15:57 GMT
As other people have said, moving the action to Tevinter removes a lot of the problems concerning world states, since they need have very little influence on the storyline in the north. Of the possible returning characters, only Dorian seems a given, because no matter what choices you made in game, he is back in Tevinter at the end. No one else has to absolutely be included in the action unless the writers choose to do so. Whilst I am one of those who feels that they should not have given the Inquisitor such a personal investment in the Solas storyline if they were not going to bring them back, nevertheless it is possible to have a story set in Tevinter without involving them (except through Dorian's crystal link).
That said, it is going to be very difficult playing a game that does not advance the Solas plot, even if the Tevinter/Qunari war is the main focus of the game. However, for me it would just not work to have such a time break as 20-30 years because it begs the question, what on earth has Solas been doing all this time? The loss of his orb was a setback but I really do not believe that it would take him that long to come up with an alternative. Why are all the elves across southern Thedas leaving to join him if there is no urgency? Where is he keeping them all? If he has a safe location for a large number of elves, why not just let them develop a homeland there?
This comes back to why he feels it is necessary to drop the Veil. There are hints that the Crossroads is breaking down (only certain Inquisitors are able to say this to Morrigan). So much of what the ancient elves created has already been lost, Solas would want to preserve this. The ancient ones have only so long outside of Uthenera before they start aging. Abelas was encouraged to leave the Temple with his sentinals rather than go back to sleep, so in 20-30 years they might well be dead. Not much point in trying to restore their world for them then. Solas seemed to think they would be able to find another purpose with elves such as him. In fact Solas could be aging rapidly in 20-30 years. There was also the question you could pose "Why does this world have to die?", which Solas wouldn't answer because of revealing too much. I suspect it might have something to do with the rediscovery of red lyrium, which is now out and growing on the surface. Since it can grow on any living organism no matter how small and is infected with the Blight, that does not bode well for the future of the world. So there are a number of potential reasons why he might feel a sense of urgency about fulfilling his plan. Plus, why was it necessary to absorb Mythal's power if he wasn't going to use it in the near future?
To have all that climax at the end of Trespasser, including the Inquisitor making a decision about how they wanted to deal with Solas, plus saying (if you disband aggressively) that you are off to save the world again and the map stabbing, would all seem rather pointless if there is then a time lag of 20-30 years during which everyone has either died off or advanced into the senior years.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Aug 17, 2016 16:41:26 GMT
I sort of agree with the OP, but I think it is probably better for DA5 (assuming we get there). I'd actually like for them to jump way into the future and throw us into a bit of an unknown state (I know that would put us past the Dragon Age, but oh well). It would be fun to explore the new world state but still have the familiarity of the series. I just feel that as the series goes on, they are being dragged down creatively by past events and possible outcomes.
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Post by patches on Aug 17, 2016 17:54:47 GMT
No. That would make Solas look painfully incompetent. Although I don't agree with the OP's position, I have to question your assertion. Why would it make him seem incompetent? He can afford to wait a long time for the right opportunity. If I were immortal and my enemies were not, the smart thing to do might be to go into hiding and simply wait for them to die. If Solas was willing to wait why give his orb to Cory instead of waiting for his own power to recharge? Or kill Mythal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 18:09:11 GMT
But...but then Varric would be too old to romance! NOOOOOOOOO. (yeah I know, there's practically zero chance of that anyway lol)
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Post by thats1evildude on Aug 17, 2016 18:48:20 GMT
Although I don't agree with the OP's position, I have to question your assertion. Why would it make him seem incompetent? He can afford to wait a long time for the right opportunity. If I were immortal and my enemies were not, the smart thing to do might be to go into hiding and simply wait for them to die. If Solas was willing to wait why give his orb to Cory instead of waiting for his own power to recharge? Or kill Mythal. 1) He wasn't aware that Mythal was still "alive," in a sense. He didn't learn the truth until the Inquisition went to the Temple of Mythal and Flemeth revealed herself to the Inquisitor. 2) Even if we assume he could wait until his own power came back, the Elder One posed a threat to both Solas and Thedas. If Corypheus achieved the godhood he sought or unleashed greater catastrophe by entering the Black City, Solas' plans to tear down the Veil would be foiled. By giving his orb to Corypheus, Solas was killing two birds with one stone: taking out a potential rival and unlocking his orb. Of course, Solas didn't count on Corypheus being effectively immortal, which is why the plan went tits-up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 19:09:58 GMT
No. That would make Solas look painfully incompetent. Although I don't agree with the OP's position, I have to question your assertion. Why would it make him seem incompetent? He can afford to wait a long time for the right opportunity. If I were immortal and my enemies were not, the smart thing to do might be to go into hiding and simply wait for them to die. Well you quickly changed my opinion. I forgot the immortal thing.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 18, 2016 6:39:31 GMT
I like for the next game to take place shortly after trespasser ends.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 24, 2016 6:22:09 GMT
If you paid attention to the Trespasser epilogue, you can see they were already "normalizing" the various world states as much as possible, and writing some of the characters "out".
For example, it seems Cullen has been effectively written out of the story with him retiring or becoming a hobo lyrium addict that Harding puts out of his misery. Another good example is how they have "normalized" the the situation with mages. No matter what choice you made in Inquisition, by the end of Trespasser, there are two mage factions vying for power, the College of Enchanters and the Circle.
They also need to be careful with going too far in the future. The name of the franchise is Dragon Age. An "age" in this game is only 100 years. So logic would dictate that all events have to fall within those 100 years.
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Post by eriador117 on Aug 26, 2016 9:22:31 GMT
I'd prefer it to take place shortly after Trespasser so we can at least tie up those loose ends - Solas' plan to tear down the veil, the Qunari invastion etc. Having the next game be in Tevinter should see most NPCs not appearing again anyway, except for Dorian and maybe a cameo by the Inquisitor if he romanced Dorian or was friends with him. And maybe Fenris hunting down Tevinter slavers.
It would seem odd if Solas was dealt with by someone else, but then we had the Inquisitor deal with Corypheus rather than Hawke, so maybe the new protag will deal with Solas too.
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Post by bella on Aug 26, 2016 10:09:51 GMT
I think DA4 should be set right after the events of DAI/Trespasser, or perhaps 6 months to a year later at the most. We were left with a sense of urgency at the end of Trespasser, with the Qunari war, and Solas (who is now most likely at the height of his power). There's really no need to wait at this point in the story.
Now, depending on how the next DA game ends, I'd be okay with there being a bigger time-jump between DA4 and DA5 (if there is one). But we'll have to wait and see to be honest.
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Post by Heimdall on Aug 26, 2016 10:57:03 GMT
I could see a gap of several years at most, but such a drastic jump won't happen.
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