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Post by SKAR on Mar 15, 2017 21:54:24 GMT
I just wish they would have gone with something different. "Pathfinder" just sounds silly. If it's your responsibility to essentially lead this colonising project, a title like "Overseer", "Director", "Superior",.... would fit better and sound cooler, more dignified and most of all, important. LOL
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Post by scouserant23 on Mar 15, 2017 22:00:47 GMT
What's the big deal supposed to be exactly? Why create this vacuous title when there are already plenty of experienced scouts and advanced scanning equipment? Why send a small team on frigate to do what a large army on an entire fleet can do far more effectively? Also, why does the Pathfinder have comparable power to the captain of the ship? They're just scouts ffs! Am I wrong? Your wrong but since this is the spoiler free section all i will say is their is a reason pathfinders are bigger than scouts and so important.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 15, 2017 22:05:35 GMT
They should've called it the "Taskmanager"
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 15, 2017 22:10:11 GMT
They should've called it the "Taskmanager" That should be the name of almost every protagonists in RPGs then At least the game helps in giving a reason for doing several of the things we have to do, both in main and side quests, unlike other games (Inquisition and ME3 included).
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Post by ravenous on Mar 15, 2017 22:15:49 GMT
just about every single rpg out there you will have the main protagonist be it a solo rpg or an rpg where there is a party and the main character the character you created will end up being the supreme individual, someone who has ultimate authority who decides the fate of the world or the galaxy - shepard fit into that role and i'm sure ryder will fit into that role
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 15, 2017 22:23:18 GMT
Shepard would have done a better job Maybe, maybe not. Good thing you'll never know. maybe I will maybe I won't....if the reviews pan out as I think they will chances are we actually might find out
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Post by Rivercurse on Mar 15, 2017 22:33:18 GMT
first off, this thread and OP are cancer and should be thrown out the airlock. Second, Ryder is more than capable. A matter of perspective. I've seen Destin Legarie's Ryder, and I can assure you, he's not capable.
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Post by beelzebub on Mar 15, 2017 22:36:18 GMT
Devs have been giving RPG protagonists titles for years. Vault Dweller, Bhaalspawn, Champion of Cyrodiil, Lone Wanderer, ect. I think it helps with marketing, and probably internal development. The important thing is the tile has to sound 1) Cool, and 2) Memorable.
Shepard's tile was just his/her military rank, which I found pretty neat.
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Post by SKAR on Mar 15, 2017 22:46:57 GMT
first off, this thread and OP are cancer and should be thrown out the airlock. Second, Ryder is more than capable. A matter of perspective. I've seen Destin Legarie's Ryder, and I can assure you, he's not capable. We're not Destin Legarie.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 15, 2017 23:30:13 GMT
everything you said. Triple it for Shepard. Shepard had earned at least some authority prior to the start of the first game. S/he was a mid-level Alliance officer, and currently the XO of a military warship. Shepard had superiors assigning some missions, and the entire Alliance fleet (or Cerberus) as backup/sponsor. Becoming a Spectre also gave Shepard access to additional intel, resources, and authority. Relative to that, Ryder is a completely untested noob. which was a problem for Shepard as a Character and one of the reasons i am looking forward to being ryder. We will know more when we get our hands on the game, but this whole thing seems to be part of the theme of the game. Everyone is unprepared. They are all over their heads. Except for maybe Cora but events in the game make it so Ryder gets the position and not her.
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Post by boyaki on Mar 16, 2017 1:01:55 GMT
This... a title exists so responsibilities can be assigned to it. That's really the idea behind titles in general. From what we've seen, scouting is only one such responsibility. They can be easily wiped out and don't have any real power to present to potential enemies. A dozen people on a frigate? That's a joke. They land somewhere, piss off the wrong people, and they're done. With a fleet at their backs that couldn't happen. I mean they could be killed but the fleet can send more men down to replace them, negate the threat and continue the mission. But that is not possible. Also it is not just 12 person on a frigate, but a top elite squad with the topestest technology.
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Post by jayhartric on Mar 16, 2017 1:08:36 GMT
Instead of Pathfinders they should have been called Gray Wardens.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 16, 2017 1:12:26 GMT
I just wish they would have gone with something different. "Pathfinder" just sounds silly. If it's your responsibility to essentially lead this colonising project, a title like "Overseer", "Director", "Superior",.... would fit better and sound cooler, more dignified and most of all, important. OK putting aside that I think High Lord Space Cowboy/girl sounds better than these, wouldn't those sorts of titles be for someone who doesn't really go out to do the actual exploring anymore? I'm trying to work these into a sentence and they sound worse every time.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 16, 2017 9:29:17 GMT
"PATHFINDER=GLORIFIED SCOUT?"
...yes? Glorification isn't always bad.
And yeah, scout, recon, explorer, defender, solver, whatever.
Yes, they 'need a Pathfinder'. But actually, I don't see it being an overglorification. You're actually not a savior, even if you're the most useful person over time. You're not the one big hero, there's other Pathfinders and there's others making sure that spaces are defended (APEX is relatively more useful to an effort than N7 MP groups ever were, I'd say).
I feel some silliness where it feels like Bioware's trying to merge the Shepard-ness of before with a desire to make a protagonist just be a newbie in a new land, but otherwise I'm not bothered.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 16, 2017 13:19:59 GMT
What's the big deal supposed to be exactly? Why create this vacuous title when there are already plenty of experienced scouts and advanced scanning equipment? Why send a small team on frigate to do what a large army on an entire fleet can do far more effectively? Also, why does the Pathfinder have comparable power to the captain of the ship? They're just scouts ffs! Am I wrong? Your wrong but since this is the spoiler free section all i will say is their is a reason pathfinders are bigger than scouts and so important. Okay then. I'm looking forward to seeing how things turn out.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 16, 2017 13:35:00 GMT
They can be easily wiped out and don't have any real power to present to potential enemies. A dozen people on a frigate? That's a joke. They land somewhere, piss off the wrong people, and they're done. With a fleet at their backs that couldn't happen. I mean they could be killed but the fleet can send more men down to replace them, negate the threat and continue the mission. But that is not possible. Also it is not just 12 person on a frigate, but a top elite squad with the topestest technology. An elite squad with top of the line Milky Way technology which may or may not be comparable in power to Andromeda technology? Forgive me if I don't have much faith in that. Also, if they were to land on an advanced Illium like planet full of powerful and potentially hostile Andromeda aliens with unknown and uncontested technology, I sincerely doubt that our heroes would be able to survive the encounter should these aliens decide to kill them. Like when Shepherd lands on Tuchanka in Mass Effect 2 and the leader of the "welcome" party tells her that they'll tell her she's no longer welcome there right before they open fire. As badass as Shepherd is, what are the odds of her surviving such an occurrence? An entire clan of krogan, the largest and most powerful on the planet, versus her and her 3 man fireteam? Pretty phuqing low im sure. Chances are good that they'll be dinner.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 16, 2017 13:55:15 GMT
Something that started me on the path of questioning the Pathfinder was something I saw in a video of the beginning of the game.
*spoilers?*
The ship is damaged and Ryder is i guess headed for the bridge. Along the way there are some people trying to fix some vital ship component and they beg for his help because "he's the only one that can do it" or something.
I had to pause the video. I couldn't believe it. Apparently there is no ship maintenance crew and if those brain dead clowns were it then they're completely incapable of doing their jobs. The only ones with the necessary tech and know how to handle any potential problems are the 3 members of the Ryder family and if anything unfortunate were to happen to them the rest of the crew is most likely doomed because they're simply along for the ride.
Absolutely piss poor writing smh
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 16, 2017 13:58:33 GMT
Didn't you read the memo? Andromeda Initiative is basically YOLO Initiative, that has no reasonable chain of command/line of succession, incompetent and traitorous people all over the place and don't feels like recon vehicles should have any guns.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 16, 2017 14:03:27 GMT
Something that started me on the path of questioning the Pathfinder was something I saw in a video of the beginning of the game. *spoilers?* The ship is damaged and Ryder is i guess headed for the bridge. Along the way there are some people trying to fix some vital ship component and they beg for his help because "he's the only one that can do it" or something. I had to pause the video. I couldn't believe it. Apparently there is no ship maintenance crew and if those brain dead clowns were it then they're completely incapable of doing their jobs. The only ones with the necessary tech and know how to handle any potential problems are the 3 members of the Ryder family and if anything unfortunate were to happen to them the rest of the crew is most likely doomed because they're simply along for the ride. Absolutely piss poor writing smh I think every member of the Pathfinder team has a scanner, but yeah, it was a stupid way to introduce the scanning mechanic.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 16, 2017 14:07:04 GMT
"PATHFINDER=GLORIFIED SCOUT?" ...yes? Glorification isn't always bad. And yeah, scout, recon, explorer, defender, solver, whatever. Yes, they 'need a Pathfinder'. But actually, I don't see it being an overglorification. You're actually not a savior, even if you're the most useful person over time. You're not the one big hero, there's other Pathfinders and there's others making sure that spaces are defended (APEX is relatively more useful to an effort than N7 MP groups ever were, I'd say). I feel some silliness where it feels like Bioware's trying to merge the Shepard-ness of before with a desire to make a protagonist just be a newbie in a new land, but otherwise I'm not bothered. Who are the leaders and coordinators of the whole Andromeda Initiative? Who do these Pathfinders report to? If they're in the field then they're not the leaders. If they're not the leaders then how can they have so much power? As much power and freedom as Shepherd had, she still took orders from her superiors namely Admirals Hackett and Keith Motherfucking David.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 16, 2017 14:10:10 GMT
Didn't you read the memo? Andromeda Initiative is basically YOLO Initiative, that has no reasonable chain of command/line of succession, incompetent and traitorous people all over the place and don't feels like recon vehicles should have any guns. That's absurd. How is everyone kept in line? What kind of structure exists to prevent people from just doing whatever the phuq they want?
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 16, 2017 14:10:45 GMT
"PATHFINDER=GLORIFIED SCOUT?" ...yes? Glorification isn't always bad. And yeah, scout, recon, explorer, defender, solver, whatever. Yes, they 'need a Pathfinder'. But actually, I don't see it being an overglorification. You're actually not a savior, even if you're the most useful person over time. You're not the one big hero, there's other Pathfinders and there's others making sure that spaces are defended (APEX is relatively more useful to an effort than N7 MP groups ever were, I'd say). I feel some silliness where it feels like Bioware's trying to merge the Shepard-ness of before with a desire to make a protagonist just be a newbie in a new land, but otherwise I'm not bothered. Who are the leaders and coordinators of the whole Andromeda Initiative? Who do these Pathfinders report to? If they're in the field then they're not the leaders. If they're not the leaders then how can they have so much power? As much power and freedom as Shepherd had, she still took orders from her superiors namely Admirals Hackett and Keith Motherfucking David. Shepard as a spectre didn't really take order from anyone other then the council. A Spectre has to listen only to them. Shepard listening to them is more out of respect then the spectre title. From what I saw, you do meet your superiors on Nexus. Your power isn't unlimited.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 16, 2017 14:11:14 GMT
Didn't you read the memo? Andromeda Initiative is basically YOLO Initiative, that has no reasonable chain of command/line of succession, incompetent and traitorous people all over the place and don't feels like recon vehicles should have any guns. That's absurd. How is everyone kept in line? What kind of structure exists to prevent people from just doing whatever the phuq they want? I can tell you what happened, but it's a spoiler.
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 16, 2017 14:17:02 GMT
Who are the leaders and coordinators of the whole Andromeda Initiative? Who do these Pathfinders report to? If they're in the field then they're not the leaders. If they're not the leaders then how can they have so much power? As much power and freedom as Shepherd had, she still took orders from her superiors namely Admirals Hackett and Keith Motherfucking David. Shepard as a spectre didn't really take order from anyone other then the council. A Spectre has to listen only to them. Shepard listening to them is more out of respect then the spectre title. From what I saw, you do meet your superiors on Nexus. Your power isn't unlimited. Oh thank goodness lol
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Post by Treacherous J Slither on Mar 16, 2017 14:18:04 GMT
That's absurd. How is everyone kept in line? What kind of structure exists to prevent people from just doing whatever the phuq they want? I can tell you what happened, but it's a spoiler. Nooo don't tell me!
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