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Post by fenris on Mar 16, 2017 10:29:52 GMT
True enough. ME:A has a lot of well deserved criticism from the day and a half it's been played, but name calling and bitching is not one of those
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 16, 2017 10:36:27 GMT
Right. So if someone has criticism on a Bioware game they should go somewhere else in order to not disturb the hugbox? Sure, we do have trolls, like anywhere else on the internet, but that has nothing to do with anything. This is a place to discuss Bioware games, positive and negative opinions are welcome. I think @tzeenchianapostrophe has it right, a 'troll' is defined partly through our own perspective. Equally, I find fenris makes reasonable points, but there's a balance here. BSN is not a 'hugbox' nor should it be 'toxic dump'. We have enthusiasts on the forum as we have our cynics, and their views are as welcome as each other. What doesn't work are threads endlessly spam pointless crap, those the moderators will try to deal with. Similarly, whilst (for example) discussions about the Character Creator are topical, that doesn't mean we want 10 threads on the subject, so the moderators will 'tidy up a little' to keep the conversation reasonable, merging threads with the same content on occasion. And insulting other posters is not ok, of course.
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Post by differentreasons on Mar 16, 2017 10:45:15 GMT
I suppose I am a troll since I'm new and a thread I created with skepticism was deleted, with no PM explaining why. (Helpful) I have been a fan since ME1 and was active on the official forms until they closed down. But, what do I know? I haven't run forums with thousands of members. (I have) This is a great place, but I think better communication to these people you consider trolls would be helpful.
Also, couldn't this thread could be considered trolling itself by your standards? And this thread has nothing to do with the game MEA. Isn't this in the the wrong board?
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 16, 2017 10:54:26 GMT
I suppose I am a troll since I'm new and a thread I created with skepticism was deleted, with no PM explaining why. (Helpful) I have been a fan since ME1 and was active on the official forms until they closed down. But, what do I know? I haven't run forums with thousands of members. (I have) This is a great place, but I think better communication to these people you consider trolls would be helpful. Also, couldn't this thread could be considered trolling itself by your standards? And this thread has nothing to do with the game MEA. Isn't this in the the wrong board? threads critical to ME:A usually are moved by SofaJockey to "Mass Effect Andromeda scepticism thread". I don't agree with it necessarily, but I never saw posts actually deleted. Besides, after the release I guess a LOT more sceptical threads will show up. Keeping them all in one megathread isn't the way to go next week.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 16, 2017 11:03:56 GMT
OP is a troll, and the OP is a troll post.
That there is that much ignorance over what a troll is in 2017 is baffling.
People are allowed to have dissenting opinions. Please take your totalitarianism and shove it.
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Post by degrees on Mar 16, 2017 11:05:41 GMT
Also I find it an insult to call others trolls for not getting wet over this game.
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Post by fenris on Mar 16, 2017 11:08:18 GMT
OP is a troll, and the OP is a troll post. That there is that much ignorance over what a troll is in 2017 is baffling. People are allowed to have dissenting opinions. Please take your totalitarianism and shove it. That's fine, but that's not why I wrote
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Post by blueasari on Mar 16, 2017 11:09:35 GMT
Also I find it an insult to call others trolls for not getting wet over this game. OP never said anything about getting wet over the game, grow up.
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Post by degrees on Mar 16, 2017 11:12:09 GMT
Also I find it an insult to call others trolls for not getting wet over this game. OP never said anything about getting wet over the game, grow up. Lol you first.
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 16, 2017 11:14:09 GMT
Meh, ignore function does most of the job. Eventually you'll sort out the genuine users - if you really care.
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Post by fenris on Mar 16, 2017 11:15:25 GMT
Meh, ignore function does most of the job. Eventually you'll sort out the genuine users - if you really care. I wasn't even aware there was an ignore button in these forums, but I probably won't use it often. Maybe just in extreme cases of trolling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 11:15:40 GMT
As soon as the trial started, it's as though there's been a raw sewage explosion on the forums; really repulsive. >Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of course Sure, but an 'opinion' that's not well articulated, made with a 5-word vocabulary, isn't really an opinion; it's more of a verbal equivalent of the shit-slinging behavior of baboons. >Posted 3 hours ago >Deleted member Hahaha, cosidering he went as far as deleting his own account he was probably really butthurt
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 16, 2017 11:20:09 GMT
I suppose I am a troll since I'm new and a thread I created with skepticism was deleted, with no PM explaining why. (Helpful) I have been a fan since ME1 and was active on the official forms until they closed down. But, what do I know? I haven't run forums with thousands of members. (I have) This is a great place, but I think better communication to these people you consider trolls would be helpful. Also, couldn't this thread could be considered trolling itself by your standards? And this thread has nothing to do with the game MEA. Isn't this in the the wrong board? It is trolling, but trolling out of innocent ignorance. Yeah right.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 16, 2017 11:21:13 GMT
I suppose I am a troll since I'm new and a thread I created with skepticism was deleted, with no PM explaining why. (Helpful) I have been a fan since ME1 and was active on the official forms until they closed down. But, what do I know? I haven't run forums with thousands of members. (I have) This is a great place, but I think better communication to these people you consider trolls would be helpful. Also, couldn't this thread could be considered trolling itself by your standards? And this thread has nothing to do with the game MEA. Isn't this in the the wrong board? It's extremely unusual for anyone's posts to get deleted. The moderators have a 'quarantine area' where we put stuff, partly so other moderators can see what happened and agree (or indeed disagree) with the moderation decision and partly because if after discussion there is mod-consensus the other way, we can put the post back. I notice you have one less posts on the forum that on your posting record. So yes, one has gone. We would normally only do that is the post breached ProBoards Terms of Service because we could be shut down. The moderators are not particularly trigger happy. If you think it would help, happy to continue this by PM. Oh, and yes this thread in indeed drifting off-topic rather. I don't want to lock it because some of the points are quite interesting and may wish to still be discussed. But I'll 'Anchor' it so that it gently drifts into oblivion.
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Post by hammerstorm on Mar 16, 2017 11:57:38 GMT
If you are of the impression that a thread or post is only made to insult or attack something (a game, a person, a company, etc) and not to make a useful point (aka a troll), my advice is to report them to the Mods. That is the reason we have the "report" function. They will then decide if they need to take any actions. And no, I don't say that people should report just because they don't like what they read.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 16, 2017 12:09:08 GMT
Reminds me of D3 people. They loved D1 and D2 but claimed they hated D3. They logged hundreds and even THOUSANDS of hours playtime complaing all the way. Wanting a refund, hating the gameplay, always comparing the different games, saying it "should be this or that".
BUT always playing literally for years and saying it was the worst game ever and hating the Devs and everything they could about the game.
Trolls. Lots of em. Just get out your popcorn and enjoy the drama.
I will be LOLing at em a lot. I like the game so far. Not perfect but I see the similarities to the others and like the gameplay enough. Cheers.
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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 16, 2017 12:46:50 GMT
I'm usually one of those people that defends this game. Most things that bother other people, never really seem to bother me, however, I'm also not going to dismiss people who make complaints about the game, regardless of how many posts they've made previously, as trolls unless they say something truly outlandish or false. Obviously, there are going to be some trolls, but I don't think everyone who makes a post complaining about something is doing it for the sole purpose of trolling.
The animations in this game are bad, especially when compared to previous games. I really don't think the facial animations are as good as ME3's facial animations. It's not like the previous ME games had absolutely stellar animations, but they weren't this bad. I recently went back and watched some cutscenes from ME3, looked at how various characters like Jack, Shepard, etc. were animated and they definitely seem better, not as much "dead eyes" going on (keep in mind, I'm talking about the animations, not necessarily the graphics).
The fact that we can't change the shape of the nose, eyes, mouth, etc on the CC is also bad. What possible reason is there for not allowing this feature when it was available for every other game in the franchise and DA. The ability to be able to craft your character the way you want has always been a highlight of the game.
None of these things will keep me from playing the game, of course, I'm mainly interested in the characters and their interactions and dialogue and as long as those things are good, I can live with everything else, but that's not going to stop me from critiquing some things that I feel are wrong with the game.
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 16, 2017 13:09:20 GMT
The fact that we can't change the shape of the nose, eyes, mouth, etc on the CC is also bad. What possible reason is there for not allowing this feature when it was available for every other game in the franchise and DA. The ability to be able to craft your character the way you want has always been a highlight of the game. Seriously? Bloody hell.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Mar 16, 2017 13:18:02 GMT
This is all amusing to me.
I've spent the day on twitter and I've been peeking in on the BSN to hear positive feedback.
The games getting eaten alive over minor details everywhere but here from what I can see.
Some cause for shrivelling your face up but nothing to Pre-emptively execute Jos over.
Chill, humans.
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Post by chugster on Mar 16, 2017 13:40:23 GMT
I read the OP just sounds like "Oh please don't hurt my beloved Bioware" come on now. I think you and i have a different idea of what reading is....you CLEARLY didnt read the post (or you did and just completley failed to understand it), he didnt say 'dont criticize BW', he said dont throw baseless insults and other NON-CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms. Saying "The CC is limited and poor and the facial animations need work" is fine....saying "OMG BW SUX AND MEA IS CANCUR HURR DURRR" is not. If you cant see the difference you shouldnt really be allowed to communicate with other people. Sorry for any anger in this post but ive seen alot of this on here, either people not reading other peoples posts properly or just trolling for the sake of trolling. The internet is why we cant have nice things.
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Post by degrees on Mar 16, 2017 13:47:43 GMT
I read the OP just sounds like "Oh please don't hurt my beloved Bioware" come on now. I think you and i have a different idea of what reading is....you CLEARLY didnt read the post, he didnt say 'dont criticize BW', he said dont throw baseless insults and other NON-CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms. Saying "The CC is limited and poor and the facial animations need work" is fine....saying "OMG BW SUX AND MEA IS CANCUR HURR DURRR" is not. If you cant see the difference you shouldnt really be allowed to communicate with other people. Nah I read the post and seen what I had to even checked out the edit. It sounded like a fanboy complaining because others don't rate it as much. Sure I saw the oh this game sucks stuff whatever but that isn't any different from omg this game is the greatest of all time. Now I'm not saying the OP said that but I was making a point that people who over praise this game can be easily classed as fanboys just as much as people who dislike where this game is going can be classed as trolls.
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Post by fenris on Mar 16, 2017 16:27:49 GMT
For those wondering, THIS is the type of posts I was talking about: Like seriously wtf is this?????? I got this on EA access for my Xbox One and this is the worst game ever, everything about it is complete garbage. The controls are terrible nothing every works. The graphics are complete garbage like PS2 level bad or worse. The acting is fucking atrocious how do these people even have jobs?????? All the Asari are butt ugly I would never bang that stupid ass Asari doctor. The story is so bad it put me to sleep in 10 minutes. This is easily the worst video game experience I've ever had. I'm never buying another Bioware game again. I thought they had learned after ME3 and DAI but no......... At this point I hope Bioware goes out of business they're so done. I knew this game was going to suck from the start can't believe you people got remotely excited for this giant turd. I think I'd rather play some stupid kiddy game than this. Can't wait to see Angry Joe give this game a 1/10.......that's going to be fun. I kind of feel bad for you guys that got your hopes up, but than I remember that your still Bioware fans and suddenly I no longer feel bad for you.
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