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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 16:07:30 GMT
First, let me say thank you for all the hard work that the BioWare team has put into this game. I really appreciate the fresh perspective. With that being said, I have a few constructive criticisms to share. I hope that this gets read and taken into consideration. For me, many things can be brushed aside, from certain questionable facial animations to other, humorous, game-play bugs. These things can be overlooked and don’t generally ruin much for me, as a player. The one thing I cannot let slide is the character creation system. The face of a game protagonist, especially those that can be customized, is the very heart and soul of connecting a player to said character, and by extension, the game itself. For a game company that promotes heavy customization and player choice for several aspects of this particular game, I cannot fathom why it was decided to make the facial creation system so elementary. If it was known that using facial scans was going to severely hamper the options and diversity of facial creation, it should have been abandoned. Don’t get me wrong, the entirety of the creator is not quite an abomination. There are a couple features that are adequate. The hair looks much better than previous games, although styles are still somewhat finite. Adding non-natural color hues was a nice touch, for those that want them. The mechanic that allows for the iris to be two-toned is also lovely. The addition of tattoos is most welcomed. Herein lies the problem: One can choose from a number of preset faces. This is fine. What is not fine, is the simple fact that we were not given the option to choose the shape of facial features for the preset faces. We are unable to choose the shape of eyebrows, eyes, nose, nor mouth. Choosing specific shapes and then tweaking them further is the very core of creating a face that we connect to. Having sliders to only adjust placement of height, width, and depth of certain features is mind boggling. What will result are innumerable Ryders that may vary to some degree, but at the end of the day will remain quite similar in appearance. Cookie cutter characters are not what we signed up for. This needs addressed and it needs addressed in a timely fashion. It needs to be introduced in a way that does not make one completely start the game from the beginning when it is introduced. For example, if a player has 90 hours in the game, they will not want to start over to create a face that they really wanted from the beginning. That is unacceptable and unfair to ask of any player. TL;DR I have a suggestion [hopefully it is within the realm of possibilities]. Revamp the character creator and introduce it in a way that the player can access it in game and not lose progress, only change appearance. Something akin to Fallout 4’s plastic surgeon or Inquisition’s “The Black Emporium” via a Nexus or hub area shop, Tempest upgrade, hell, even by way of an unsavory character performing experimental procedures in a dimly lit cave, off a beaten path— get this feature in, and get it in as soon as possible. It will please the masses immeasurably and remove the bitter taste from their mouths.Improvements needed:MOST IMPORTANTLY: Option to choose eyebrow, eye, nose and mouth shape, and then be able to tweak it further via more sliders. Previously mentioned sliders include: Brow thickness, tilt, & color Eye size, depth, tilt Nose bridge height & tip adjustment Mouth fullness, corner tilt, width, over/underbite Skin complexionRange of ages, more varied skin tones, different complexions, more believable scars, less shiny- it looks lubed up with petroleum jelly lol. Makeup [more natural options] “traditional” eyeliner, lipstick, & blush options, not more abstract options like digital camouflage lipsticks, Clockwork Orange eyeliners, or Imperator Furiosa eyeshadow et cetera Tattoos [love that this was added, but the options are underwhelming] Take notes from Dragon Age or Skyrim. Make them more interesting and robust. The pixalated stuff around the eyes and face midline is strange and out of place, even if set in the future. Give option to be on both sides, as well as only left or right side. Hair [Hair is looks/moves nicely, but need more styles.] Allow both genders access to all hairstyles Mohawks & fauxhawks would be nice Really cool braided styles [think Lagertha or Ragnar, from Vikings] Half shaved or sides buzzed with longer top A few highlights, lowlights, or more depth in general [ie not so flat] If only one section of the above list can be improved upon, please choose to introduce facial feature shape choice. Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to playing the game in its entirety, hopefully with a Ryder that is as aesthetically pleasing to me as possible.
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Post by General Aetius on Mar 17, 2017 16:11:12 GMT
I'd rather just scan a photo (just the front of the face) and import it. The trilogy's CC is terrible, and MEA's doesn't look any better. I'll always end up with more or less the same custom face unless I play a default Scott.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 16:16:19 GMT
I'd rather just scan a photo (just the front of the face) and import it. The trilogy's CC is terrible, and MEA's doesn't look any better. I'll always end up with more or less the same custom face unless I play a default Scott. That would be the reason for an overhauled CC added, in-game, post launch. It would have more options and customization than the day one CC. I gave examples, if you read through the post.
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Post by MonkeynKnot on Mar 17, 2017 16:19:48 GMT
I thought I heard that after launch they will add more to the CC though date was unknown.
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Post by General Aetius on Mar 17, 2017 16:23:09 GMT
I'd rather just scan a photo (just the front of the face) and import it. The trilogy's CC is terrible, and MEA's doesn't look any better. I'll always end up with more or less the same custom face unless I play a default Scott. That would be the reason for an overhauled CC added, in-game, post launch. It would have more options and customization than the day one CC. I gave examples, if you read through the post. Nah, it was too long . Besides I already knew what I wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 16:25:07 GMT
I thought I heard that after launch they will add more to the CC though date was unknown. I cannot give an official answer, as I've not found one. All I have read on twitter is that they are looking into it/investigating options. An in-game CC post launch would allow players to continue progression, without having to start over to change their face.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Mar 17, 2017 16:29:15 GMT
The CC needs any help they can give it, but a patch isn't going to help the Ryders who have already started their journeys.
A Black Emporium-like option is something they should have included from the start. Why the heck wouldn't they?? I'd love the option to add a scar or 2 to my Ryder as she progressed. All they need to do is have mirror in Ryder's quarters that we can interact with to change them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 16:29:27 GMT
I like what I see ME:A Mains so I don't see a reason to ask for huge changes post-release. However, it is well worth to be vocal and emphasizing these type of preferences for the next installment of the DA or the new franchise in making. I agree that BE feature is a good idea w/o changes to the CC. Nice QoL.
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Post by MonkeynKnot on Mar 17, 2017 16:30:22 GMT
I thought I heard that after launch they will add more to the CC though date was unknown. I cannot give an official answer, as I've not found one. All I have read on twitter is that they are looking into it/investigating options. An in-game CC post launch would allow players to continue progression, without having to start over to change their face. Same, I heard from a streamer about it but til then I'll vote yes
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 16:38:41 GMT
I'd rather just scan a photo (just the front of the face) and import it. The trilogy's CC is terrible, and MEA's doesn't look any better. I'll always end up with more or less the same custom face unless I play a default Scott. You will have to wait for Star Citizen to come out to have actual, custom face scans...
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Post by kali073 on Mar 17, 2017 16:55:27 GMT
I wonder if the gender-locked hair is because we complained so much about the hair in DAI? I mean, the hairstyles weren't gender-neutral - they had male patterned baldness and sideburns even when you used them for female characters. It would be fine if sideburns were put under a facial hair slider and they didn't use many hairstyles with male pattern baldness (Ryder is supposed to be 22 anyway) but the CC is rather limited so...
I feel confident I'll be able to make a Ryder I like but playing around in the CC is something I enjoy doing so I'd like it if they overhauled it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 16:59:04 GMT
Even if they end up changing the CC somehow in a future patch, I doubt it will be as extensive as people want. I'm surprised and disappointed that a feature that so many people love is so limited after five years of development, to the point of being worse than Inquisition by far.
Bioware needs to face heavy criticism every time for them to change things?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 17:09:34 GMT
I wonder if the gender-locked hair is because we complained so much about the hair in DAI? I mean, the hairstyles weren't gender-neutral - they had male patterned baldness and sideburns even when you used them for female characters. It would be fine if sideburns were put under a facial hair slider and they didn't use many hairstyles with male pattern baldness (Ryder is supposed to be 22 anyway) but the CC is rather limited so... I feel confident I'll be able to make a Ryder I like but playing around in the CC is something I enjoy doing so I'd like it if they overhauled it. Personally, I'd still rather be given the choice of every style. It's easy enough to decide what not to use for my character lol. As for Ryder's age.... I think a lot of the presets look more aged than they should. This is why it is important to give complexion and age range options.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 17:13:37 GMT
Even if they end up changing the CC somehow in a future patch, I doubt it will be as extensive as people want. I'm surprised and disappointed that a feature that so many people love is so limited after five years of development, to the point of being worse than Inquisition by far. Bioware needs to face heavy criticism every time for them to change things? Like I said, I feel that making the CC so elementary, for a game that so heavily stresses customization and personal choice, to be a huge misstep. I feel it should have been obvious that this was going to piss a LOT of players off. This particular version of the CC should never have been given the green light.
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Post by kali073 on Mar 17, 2017 17:33:21 GMT
I wonder if the gender-locked hair is because we complained so much about the hair in DAI? I mean, the hairstyles weren't gender-neutral - they had male patterned baldness and sideburns even when you used them for female characters. It would be fine if sideburns were put under a facial hair slider and they didn't use many hairstyles with male pattern baldness (Ryder is supposed to be 22 anyway) but the CC is rather limited so... I feel confident I'll be able to make a Ryder I like but playing around in the CC is something I enjoy doing so I'd like it if they overhauled it. Personally, I'd still rather be given the choice of every style. It's easy enough to decide what not to use for my character lol. As for Ryder's age.... I think a lot of the presets look more aged than they should. This is why it is important to give complexion and age range options. I agree with you, more options are good. I was just speculating why they had it divided by gender this time. More complexions would be good.
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Post by Nonoru on Mar 17, 2017 17:34:29 GMT
Not a feature they can ignore anyway.
It gives off a bad impression right off the bat, before you can even start getting into the game.
Game looks crisp and detailed but it's going to be ruined by atrocious customized presets.
Bad move all around, especially with the controversy they got for the last game of the franchise.
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Post by kamsolastor on Mar 17, 2017 17:38:41 GMT
I'd rather just scan a photo (just the front of the face) and import it. The trilogy's CC is terrible, and MEA's doesn't look any better. I'll always end up with more or less the same custom face unless I play a default Scott. You will have to wait for Star Citizen to come out to have actual, custom face scans... Huzzah!
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Post by lilyenachaos on Mar 17, 2017 17:40:44 GMT
The one thing am I pleased with is the female hairstyles, there are several this time around that I like. Also think the non-natural hair colors are neat. Hate that the eyebrows stay that icky dark color no matter what color the hair is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 17:58:52 GMT
The one thing am I pleased with is the female hairstyles, there are several this time around that I like. Also think the non-natural hair colors are neat. Hate that the eyebrows stay that icky dark color no matter what color the hair is. Yea, I think the hair styles are nice, but there still could be more diversity. Luckily, I always make my character have darker hair, so the eyebrow color isn't an issue for me, even though I do believe that it should have been able to be changed.
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Post by Zemgus on Mar 17, 2017 18:55:14 GMT
MEA's CC sure is disappointment, but there is only two truly unforgivable mistakes it did:
1. all (lighter) skin tones not available to all presets 2. no complexions
They should also let us choose the father's appearance as well. Now a white Ryder might have african looking father which is totally gonna ruin the game from the get-go. I mean the CC already sucks but you can almost live with that since some presets still look good, but then something like that happens and ruins everything again. You know, I really didn't like the Hawke family in DA2 (or other families in DAO) because I felt like it limited my role play, but somehow I was still excited for the Ryder family and their story, but now this CC headache ruins it once again.
Of course being able to change nose/eye/eyebrows/lips shape and size should have been possible. Don't know why it isn't or if it can still be fixed. I also wonder if they could make the default Ryders editable at least so we can change their hairstyle and hair and eye color?
Smaller things I wish they'd add: - freckles - braided hairstyles for men and women (look Vikings for inspiration)
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Post by colfoley on Mar 17, 2017 18:57:27 GMT
If they add anything your character needs to be fixible in game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 19:08:56 GMT
Personally, I'd still rather be given the choice of every style. It's easy enough to decide what not to use for my character lol. As for Ryder's age.... I think a lot of the presets look more aged than they should. This is why it is important to give complexion and age range options. I agree with you, more options are good. I was just speculating why they had it divided by gender this time. More complexions would be good. You know, I think a lot of people misread that as asking to make all hairstyles gender neutral. That's not it (But I'm not against putting some there). All we ask is that you put, for example, all 10 male hairstyles and all 10 female hairstyles together available for everyone. More options are always better than less.
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Post by hammerstorm on Mar 17, 2017 20:38:07 GMT
This is what I found in the Twitter thread:
Mike Thor @0thorarinson0 All these CC fixes that are potentially coming via patch, what does that mean for people that have already started playing?
Ian Soon Frazier @tibermoon I'm hoping we can do something black-emporium-esque. We'll see!
This is not confirmation or any "done deal", but they are looking at the option.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 17, 2017 21:01:49 GMT
I just want to be pale, dammit. What the hell.
But all sorts of other areas range from bad to kinda good, so I agree.
May actually be turning to mods for the first time. Shouldn't be this way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 12:49:21 GMT
I just want to be pale, dammit. What the hell. But all sorts of other areas range from bad to kinda good, so I agree. May actually be turning to mods for the first time. Shouldn't be this way. lol yea. I don't want to be powder necessarily, but I don't want to look like I live in a tanning bed either. More skin tones need added, it seems pretty limited to me. Right now, one can be slightly less tan or super dark. I play on console, so unfortunately, I can't count on mods.
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