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Post by shermos on Mar 24, 2017 1:44:25 GMT
Well not really. Even someone who gives the game a D (6/10) is closer to an A (10) than an F- (0). Giving a D is already pretty extreme in itself too. You don't give someone a D for lacking polish. The features are all there. What people are doing here are giving the game an F for getting the answers right but not putting them in the necessary format. Many people give an A for at least getting the right answer. Honestly. A 0 is inexcusable. You don't get an A just for getting the right answer. Typically you have to show your work too. Exactly. And even the answers aren't right in this case. The game is so broken and so badly thought up, I think a 6 out of 10 is the highest justifiable score. This is a high budget AAA game which had almost 5 years of development. I'd give a small Indie dev more slack, but we're talking about Bioware here. They've fallen so far. I agree a zero isn't fair, but so is a 10. The zeroes are needed for balance.
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Post by commandercole5 on Mar 24, 2017 1:48:18 GMT
Metacritic is worthless, that being said I'd give it a 7 right now, a 9 if they fix shit
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 24, 2017 1:55:32 GMT
You don't get an A just for getting the right answer. Typically you have to show your work too. Exactly. And even the answers aren't right in this case. The game is so broken and so badly thought up, I think a 6 out of 10 is the highest justifiable score. This is a high budget AAA game which had almost 5 years of development. I'd give a small Indie dev more slack, but we're talking about Bioware here. They've fallen so far. I agree a zero isn't fair, but so is a 10. The zeroes are needed for balance. I disagree that zeroes are needed for "balance." It doesn't balance at all. To get to the average score of the critics, a 7.5, there need to be 3 10's to balance a 0. What people should do, instead of trying to "balance" things, is put the score they think the game actually deserves. There is no way the game actually deserves a 0, unless it is basically unplayable, degrading, demeaning, and insulting. If you have serious technical issues with the game and honestly can't get it to play correctly even 50% of the time and have all the right hardware, then sure, maybe a 0. If you are giving it a 0 to "balance" out happy reviewers or are just angry at the "SJW Bioware and their cuck EA sellout blah blah blah The Original Trilogy had blah blah blah and I haven't even played the game because this guy on Reddit said that it had a trans character" then a 0 is totally unjustified. A game should not get a 0 based on taste. A score should include technical and subjective elements, and I just can't see how with both of those you can end up at a 0. You don't like the story? Fine! Totally reasonable. But you have to at least admit the combat is good, or the visuals are good, or something! Even if you hate everything about it, the fact that it starts up and goes deserves at least a 3-4 just because the darn thing functions as a game!
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Post by shermos on Mar 24, 2017 2:07:24 GMT
Exactly. And even the answers aren't right in this case. The game is so broken and so badly thought up, I think a 6 out of 10 is the highest justifiable score. This is a high budget AAA game which had almost 5 years of development. I'd give a small Indie dev more slack, but we're talking about Bioware here. They've fallen so far. I agree a zero isn't fair, but so is a 10. The zeroes are needed for balance. I disagree that zeroes are needed for "balance." It doesn't balance at all. To get to the average score of the critics, a 7.5, there need to be 3 10's to balance a 0. What people should do, instead of trying to "balance" things, is put the score they think the game actually deserves. There is no way the game actually deserves a 0, unless it is basically unplayable, degrading, demeaning, and insulting. If you have serious technical issues with the game and honestly can't get it to play correctly even 50% of the time and have all the right hardware, then sure, maybe a 0. If you are giving it a 0 to "balance" out happy reviewers or are just angry at the "SJW Bioware and their cuck EA sellout blah blah blah The Original Trilogy had blah blah blah and I haven't even played the game because this guy on Reddit said that it had a trans character" then a 0 is totally unjustified. A game should not get a 0 based on taste. A score should include technical and subjective elements, and I just can't see how with both of those you can end up at a 0. You don't like the story? Fine! Totally reasonable. But you have to at least admit the combat is good, or the visuals are good, or something! Even if you hate everything about it, the fact that it starts up and goes deserves at least a 3-4 just because the darn thing functions as a game! The critics scores are stupid. In their world, a 7 out of 10 is what the average person would consider a bad game, or average at best. The current user average is fair. Higher than the game deserves in my personal opinion. A AAA game should not be allowed to be sold in the state MEA is currently in. That alone makes anything above a 6 unjustifiable. Subjective matters such as writing and personal enjoyment make lower scores quite justifiable.
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Post by constructman on Mar 24, 2017 2:14:36 GMT
I disagree that zeroes are needed for "balance." It doesn't balance at all. To get to the average score of the critics, a 7.5, there need to be 3 10's to balance a 0. What people should do, instead of trying to "balance" things, is put the score they think the game actually deserves. There is no way the game actually deserves a 0, unless it is basically unplayable, degrading, demeaning, and insulting. If you have serious technical issues with the game and honestly can't get it to play correctly even 50% of the time and have all the right hardware, then sure, maybe a 0. If you are giving it a 0 to "balance" out happy reviewers or are just angry at the "SJW Bioware and their cuck EA sellout blah blah blah The Original Trilogy had blah blah blah and I haven't even played the game because this guy on Reddit said that it had a trans character" then a 0 is totally unjustified. A game should not get a 0 based on taste. A score should include technical and subjective elements, and I just can't see how with both of those you can end up at a 0. You don't like the story? Fine! Totally reasonable. But you have to at least admit the combat is good, or the visuals are good, or something! Even if you hate everything about it, the fact that it starts up and goes deserves at least a 3-4 just because the darn thing functions as a game! The critics scores are stupid. In their world, a 7 out of 10 is what the average person would consider a bad game, or average at best. The current user average is fair. Higher than the game deserves in my personal opinion. A AAA game should not be allowed to be sold in the state MEA is currently in. That alone makes anything above a 6 unjustifiable. Subjective matters such as writing and personal enjoyment make lower scores quite justifiable. You consider yourself a qualified judge? You consider an average skewed by a series of zeroes dropped by trolls, flamers, and Cult of Donald people to be fair? You think a 70% isn't absolutely HORRID in any context? Because in today's world, it might think as well be a fail. Fuck those 90+ acceptance averages at Waterloo!!!! 70% is trash!
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 24, 2017 2:17:25 GMT
I disagree that zeroes are needed for "balance." It doesn't balance at all. To get to the average score of the critics, a 7.5, there need to be 3 10's to balance a 0. What people should do, instead of trying to "balance" things, is put the score they think the game actually deserves. There is no way the game actually deserves a 0, unless it is basically unplayable, degrading, demeaning, and insulting. If you have serious technical issues with the game and honestly can't get it to play correctly even 50% of the time and have all the right hardware, then sure, maybe a 0. If you are giving it a 0 to "balance" out happy reviewers or are just angry at the "SJW Bioware and their cuck EA sellout blah blah blah The Original Trilogy had blah blah blah and I haven't even played the game because this guy on Reddit said that it had a trans character" then a 0 is totally unjustified. A game should not get a 0 based on taste. A score should include technical and subjective elements, and I just can't see how with both of those you can end up at a 0. You don't like the story? Fine! Totally reasonable. But you have to at least admit the combat is good, or the visuals are good, or something! Even if you hate everything about it, the fact that it starts up and goes deserves at least a 3-4 just because the darn thing functions as a game! The critics scores are stupid. In their world, a 7 out of 10 is what the average person would consider a bad game, or average at best. The current user average is fair. Higher than the game deserves in my personal opinion. A AAA game should not be allowed to be sold in the state MEA is currently in. That alone makes anything above a 6 unjustifiable. Subjective matters such as writing and personal enjoyment make lower scores quite justifiable. Well I guess we'll agree to disagree. I still think that using any score to "balance" another is wrong and goes against what the scores are trying to do. I also still believe that giving a 0 to a functioning game shows a drastic misunderstanding of what a "0" actually is. If you give a functioning game with minor bugs and a story you don't like a 0, what score would you give a game that basically never works out of the box, is insulting and derogatory, and whose story as a complete atrocity? A 0 should be unplayable, since you can't give negative scores. I feel like that should go without saying. That's just logic.
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Post by malanek on Mar 24, 2017 2:21:03 GMT
All the people giving 0's for the hell of it haven't ruined games, they've ruined metacritic. The user portion of it is meaningless. Time after time I feel the critical reviews also drastically mismatch with how I view games as well.
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Post by shermos on Mar 24, 2017 2:23:09 GMT
I don't agree with 0's either, as I stated earlier. Neither do I agree with 10's. The system would be better if users could only give a scaore in the range of 1 to 5 stars. In the absense of that, if people are going to give 10's (even when they point out serious flaws in their written review ffs), zero's are necessary to balance the average.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 2:34:22 GMT
Man, I would pay lots of money to play stand-alone games within MET.
A game on Citadel A game on Tuchanka A game about the mercenary groups (Blue Suns, Blood Pack, etc.)
They could use ME3 mechanics and be shorter (10-15 hours of gameplay).
But nooo, SuperMac wanted to be edgy...
Now here we are, five years later, giving a BW game 7.7 and calling it "decent", and "good enough".
Sorry folks, but as papa Ryder said, pretty good is not good enough!
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Post by suikoden on Mar 29, 2017 20:05:44 GMT
With Andromeda now at 73% on Metacritic... Which review would you point to as a definitive/accurate overview of the game based on your own perspective after playing it?
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 29, 2017 20:08:10 GMT
It's got a 76 on PC and Xbox One. the 73 is only for those weirdo PS4 people.
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Post by zeypher on Mar 29, 2017 20:08:39 GMT
I will rate it in the low 80's. Yes the game has some issues and some which will be patched it but overall i am enjoying the game tremendously. Hopefully they ditch the profile system for future.
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Post by heathenoxman on Mar 29, 2017 20:09:24 GMT
The Kotaku review.
Sums-up most of my feelings.
Not that I give two shits about Metacritic...
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Post by saitamat56 on Mar 29, 2017 20:10:24 GMT
i think anything lower than 80 is best, bcuz srsly this is the wost game Bioware has offered us.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 29, 2017 20:11:14 GMT
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Post by saitamat56 on Mar 29, 2017 20:12:15 GMT
When there are games like Zelda, Nio, Horizon, and Nier this game is like trash, but I have to buy it cause it was the only 18+ rpg out right now
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Post by fade9wayz on Mar 29, 2017 20:15:53 GMT
I feel like Total Biscuit had the most honest and in-depth review out there.
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Post by joglee on Mar 29, 2017 20:23:31 GMT
Which review would you point to as a definitive/accurate overview of the game based on your own perspective after playing it? I like to make my opinions. I don't need others opinions to help me make a decision.
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Post by suikoden on Mar 29, 2017 20:29:25 GMT
Which review would you point to as a definitive/accurate overview of the game based on your own perspective after playing it? I like to make my opinions. I don't need others opinions to help me make a decision. Well that's what the EA early access is for - hopefully people at least played that before brushing the game off. For me, it's a toss up between the GameSpot and rockpapershotgun review.
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Post by cypherj on Mar 29, 2017 20:35:28 GMT
That's higher than I would give it now based on some of the issues I'm having with the game.
I haven't looked at too many reviews, but I've seen some videos. I guess the one showing all the bugs would best reflect me because I've experienced so many of those, to the point where the game is not enjoyable to play at times.
Getting killed in a conversation with an NPC with the dialogue wheel open caused me to rage quit the game one day. It's happened two more times since.
55-60/100 right now I would say.
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Post by scifirabbi on Mar 29, 2017 20:40:00 GMT
I would say its about an 8/10. Imperfect and somewhat unfinished, brilliant in some parts and bad in others, and generally good and fun to play. I think there are many legitimate criticisms of the game but the game is 80% good and 20% bad. People seem to be focusing on the bad 20% instead of the good 80%.
As for media reviews I think the Game Informer review hits most of the right notes. (http://www.gameinformer.com/games/mass_effect_andromeda/b/playstation4/archive/2017/03/20/mass-effect-andromeda-review-game-informer.aspx)
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Post by Pokemario on Mar 29, 2017 20:40:21 GMT
I would rate it an 85/100. Though I should point out that I never enjoy other companies' games as much as BioWare's.
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Post by Wintermist on Mar 29, 2017 21:04:52 GMT
I feel like Total Biscuit had the most honest and in-depth review out there. Of the few I've seen this one seem to be the most fair, yeah. He had issues with the menus more than I do but apart from that he seem pretty objective and on par with what I consider fun and immersive from a game such as this.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 29, 2017 21:06:42 GMT
I prefer TBs review over those of any other. Plus, they are not real reviews since he doesn't believe in them.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 29, 2017 21:08:08 GMT
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