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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2017 16:04:40 GMT
Yeah, MEA's combat is a joy in comparison. I honestly kind of hate TW's combat. I want to agni it in the face.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 22, 2017 16:13:31 GMT
Metacritic user reviews are completely and utterly useless, so should not even be mentioned they exist.
Not only because people would give score 0 to 3 just for one thing they dislike, but also many of those "reviewers" probably didn't even play the game.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 22, 2017 16:17:15 GMT
Seriously, FINAL metascore and the poll is locked before it is even released?! The Poll was to predict the MetaScore. It was locked when the Embargo dropped. This forum predicted 80, the result was 77, not a bad guess. If we left the poll open it wouldn't be a guess anymore.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 16:33:59 GMT
Seriously, FINAL metascore and the poll is locked before it is even released?! The Poll was to predict the MetaScore. It was locked when the Embargo dropped. This forum predicted 80, the result was 77, not a bad guess. If we left the poll open it wouldn't be a guess anymore. Still got time for it to bump to 80.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 16:35:20 GMT
Seriously, FINAL metascore and the poll is locked before it is even released?! The Poll was to predict the MetaScore. It was locked when the Embargo dropped. This forum predicted 80, the result was 77, not a bad guess. If we left the poll open it wouldn't be a guess anymore. ;) Oh, it doesn't say anything anywhere on the poll, so the title is a touch weird (says "rising" implying the voting is in progress) The poll text can't the edited. The title is quoting MetaCritic user scores which were falling, are now rising and they are not locked. I'll put an explanation in the OP. Thanks
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 22, 2017 17:01:39 GMT
Having only completed Eos:
My main issues with this game so far are that most of the human and asari characters still have very stiff faces and the animations are just weird sometimes. It sticks out, and I find myself missing the cinametography and body animations from the original trilogy. Is there something about the Frostbite engine that just makes animating human movement more difficult than it was before? It actually usually looks pretty good in major cutscenes, but a lot of the time it looks funny. It isn't a game breaking issue, but I hope there is a way to fix this.
They brought back the "free camera cutscene" style of minor quest giving from Inquisition. I still don't like it.
I've had the research system, the profile system, the crafting system and the A.V.P system thrown at me in the past few hours and I am totally overwhelmed and intimidated by all these menus and options.
Characters can be fun, but good lord this is probably some of the worst dialogue the franchise has turned out. These quips are weak and it starts to grate. Some of these characters clearly think they're charming and clever, but I beg to differ writers.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 22, 2017 17:48:18 GMT
Haters will bring it down. They always show up to vote their hate. Haters? I think 70 is fair... in this day and age... a game claiming to be "AAA" and asking what $80 on launch with crap animations and chopped off content deserves higher than that?! come on... game does not even have QUARIANS for crying out loud. 70 is average and is justified IMHO but higher than that? nope. Gun play looks fun though You know what pisses me off about people like you? Literally no mention on what the game offers as improvements, as if scores can only go down. So what? A game has to fulfill an arbitrary set of requirements, and even if it falls a bit short on them, no amount of additions can make up for them.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2017 17:52:25 GMT
Haters will bring it down. They always show up to vote their hate. Haters? I think 70 is fair... in this day and age... a game claiming to be "AAA" and asking what $80 on launch with crap animations and chopped off content deserves higher than that?! come on... game does not even have QUARIANS for crying out loud. 70 is average and is justified IMHO but higher than that? nope. Gun play looks fun though As an individual score, sure that's fine, but the real problem are those goofy people putting 0's and using hyperbole for context.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 17:58:03 GMT
Haters? I think 70 is fair... in this day and age... a game claiming to be "AAA" and asking what $80 on launch with crap animations and chopped off content deserves higher than that?! come on... game does not even have QUARIANS for crying out loud. 70 is average and is justified IMHO but higher than that? nope. Gun play looks fun though You know what pisses me off about people like you? Literally no mention on what the game offers as improvements, as if scores can only go down. So what? A game has to fulfill an arbitrary set of requirements, and even if it falls a bit short on them, no amount of additions can make up for them. So what exactly is better in the game besides the combat? UI? Animations? Dialogue? Having only 3 skills per loadout? You say it falls a bit short but to me it falls in line with other small budget games like the Technomancer which had all the same shortcomings and was hammered by critics and fans for it. ME:A should of had FAR more polish then what was given to us. I've always loved Bioware for the most part but people really need to stop looking at this game through rose colored glasses and call it like it is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 18:00:29 GMT
Haters? I think 70 is fair... in this day and age... a game claiming to be "AAA" and asking what $80 on launch with crap animations and chopped off content deserves higher than that?! come on... game does not even have QUARIANS for crying out loud. 70 is average and is justified IMHO but higher than that? nope. Gun play looks fun though As an individual score, sure that's fine, but the real problem are those goofy people putting 0's and using hyperbole for context. People giving it a 10 are just as bad. They even list the problems with the game and still give it a 10.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 22, 2017 18:29:12 GMT
So what exactly is better in the game besides the combat? UI? Animations? Dialogue? Having only 3 skills per loadout? You say it falls a bit short but to me it falls in line with other small budget games like the Technomancer which had all the same shortcomings and was hammered by critics and fans for it. ME:A should of had FAR more polish then what was given to us. I've always loved Bioware for the most part but people really need to stop looking at this game through rose colored glasses and call it like it is. Such broad categories. How can you analyze it properly if you only think in absolutes? UI is lacking in some learnability and usability issues. However it is functional for those who are experienced with it, and ultimately that's all that matters. There are some facial animations that are a bit lacking, but they're actually better than any in the series when looked at individually. The main reason people are viewing animations so badly is that there are MORE of them. Previously, NPCs had blank stares with the occasional expression. Now they have expressions for every sentence. They are more present. People see them more. It's an improvement in structure, if not in application. Even then, people are REALLY exaggerating here and falling for their own negative feedback loop. What about dialogue? Your actions and words are actually referenced down the line. Dialogue is no longer mostly self-contained. There are four personality types. The downside is that none of them are inherently "renegade" but it wouldn't make sense given your position anyway. You can also talk to way more people than before to learn more about the game. It's not all relegated to codices and convenient plot devices. There is also more ambient dialogue, and NPCs say relevant things that change depending on your mission progress. You actually have access to more skills than ever before. You only have to change profiles, and given that each profile augments your abilities, your individual abilities are stronger. Why did you stop here though? Visual and Aural fidelity. The best I've seen in a while. I'm running the game on 900p with medium settings and it's better than most games on ultra 1080p World building. You actually see your outputs grow. Planets change over time. You choose the development of the Nexus and outposts. There's ambient dialogue everywhere. Some of the broadest RPG elements every seen in a game from combat to research to crafting. Steep learning curve =/= quality Exploration and actual mysteries. I wet my pants in the vault. Nomad. I can go on and on. Where were those in your measurements? Or did you leave them out?
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 22, 2017 18:31:16 GMT
As an individual score, sure that's fine, but the real problem are those goofy people putting 0's and using hyperbole for context. People giving it a 10 are just as bad. They even list the problems with the game and still give it a 10. Well not really. Even someone who gives the game a D (6/10) is closer to an A (10) than an F- (0). Giving a D is already pretty extreme in itself too. You don't give someone a D for lacking polish. The features are all there. What people are doing here are giving the game an F for getting the answers right but not putting them in the necessary format. Many people give an A for at least getting the right answer. Honestly. A 0 is inexcusable.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 22, 2017 18:45:11 GMT
Just gonna leave this here:
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 22, 2017 18:46:24 GMT
Firstly can we calm down in here please, let's not take a pop at each other.
I'm seeing those users who make numerical votes being perfectly entitled to do so.
However, from a perspective of credibility, anything between 9 and 6 could be argued for, depending on the person's perspective.
Dropping a '0' lacks credibility (so does a 10 for that matter), all a '0' tells you is that the person has a dislike that goes beyond giving a review, and wants their score to adversely impact the game, BioWare, the 'fans', whatever.
Mathematically, it's going to take four times the number of people voting (incorrectly) with a 10 to offset those voting with a zero. Therefore a polarizing game is not going to end up with a mid-range score without a lot of reviwers because those who rate down will have 3-4x more impact than those voting up.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 22, 2017 18:47:52 GMT
People giving it a 10 are just as bad. They even list the problems with the game and still give it a 10. Well not really. Even someone who gives the game a D (6/10) is closer to an A (10) than an F- (0). Giving a D is already pretty extreme in itself too. You don't give someone a D for lacking polish. The features are all there. What people are doing here are giving the game an F for getting the answers right but not putting them in the necessary format. Many people give an A for at least getting the right answer. Honestly. A 0 is inexcusable. You don't get an A just for getting the right answer. Typically you have to show your work too.
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 22, 2017 19:29:28 GMT
People giving it a 10 are just as bad. They even list the problems with the game and still give it a 10. Well not really. Even someone who gives the game a D (6/10) is closer to an A (10) than an F- (0). Giving a D is already pretty extreme in itself too. You don't give someone a D for lacking polish. The features are all there. What people are doing here are giving the game an F for getting the answers right but not putting them in the necessary format. Many people give an A for at least getting the right answer. Honestly. A 0 is inexcusable. ME:A is not 9 or 10 material at its current state... at all. 7 is not a bad score at all. But I was expecting more in the story side though... it was just not enough really.
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 22, 2017 19:31:26 GMT
"W3 didn't have particularly great side-quest design, outside of a few really cool outliers like Triss's party near Novigrad, the Gwent tournament and the tourney in Blood and Wine. Most of them were boiled down to a mix of ''go, there, talk to them, Witcher Sense this, kill that, return''." if you look at it that way yes. but instead of outright saying "another settlement needs your help" atleast CDPR actually made the hassle to ACTUALLY include a side story for that "reason" why you were doing it in the first place it actually "mattered"
P.S I played new vegas... gun play is crappy as hell. The story was... ehhh didn't connect to me that well. But the METRO SERIES however, now that... is what I call a proper post-apocalyptic game along with S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Yes? I agreed about that, what made their side-content good is the story around them. But New Vegas had good stories around them as well as multiple ways to complete them. As far as I'm concerned, it's the apex of side-quest design in RPGs. While Andromeda's side content (so far) certainly isn't better than TW3's, it IS progress from Inquisition if you ask me, they generally give more purpose to side-quests, they relate to your main job and the plot, and while the scanner is overused it's a cooler mechanic than Witcher Senses because a) it provides background on the setting and it doesn't clutter my screen in terrible fish eye effects. Also Loyalty Missions are pretty well made, albeit I've only seen those in videos. And if we move on to the subject of the combat system, well I agree that New Vegas's gunplay is bad, but Andromeda's combat crushes TW3's in terms of pure fun factor, and to me that's not even a competition. To be honest I find the combat of Witcher 3 really fun as well. Although yes, being a third person shooter, of course Andromeda will have the upper hand on this department. However, W3 is not as difficult as Witcher 2... now that one was hard as hell
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 22, 2017 21:45:20 GMT
Well not really. Even someone who gives the game a D (6/10) is closer to an A (10) than an F- (0). Giving a D is already pretty extreme in itself too. You don't give someone a D for lacking polish. The features are all there. What people are doing here are giving the game an F for getting the answers right but not putting them in the necessary format. Many people give an A for at least getting the right answer. Honestly. A 0 is inexcusable. ME:A is not 9 or 10 material at its current state... at all. 7 is not a bad score at all. But I was expecting more in the story side though... it was just not enough really. Well yeah if you genuinely had problems with many of the game's systems, giving it a 7 or even a 6 is acceptable. Anything less is just ridiculous. In regards to story, I haven't even ventured past Eos yet, but I have noticed that a lot of focus was placed on world-building this time around. I think the expectation was that people will appreciate more of that, rather than have the content always presented to them directly. You also have to go out there and see the story for yourself. If you don't like that, MEA will probably disappoint.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 22, 2017 21:48:10 GMT
You don't get an A just for getting the right answer. Typically you have to show your work too. Depends on the subject
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Post by jastall on Mar 22, 2017 22:38:01 GMT
Yes? I agreed about that, what made their side-content good is the story around them. But New Vegas had good stories around them as well as multiple ways to complete them. As far as I'm concerned, it's the apex of side-quest design in RPGs. While Andromeda's side content (so far) certainly isn't better than TW3's, it IS progress from Inquisition if you ask me, they generally give more purpose to side-quests, they relate to your main job and the plot, and while the scanner is overused it's a cooler mechanic than Witcher Senses because a) it provides background on the setting and it doesn't clutter my screen in terrible fish eye effects. Also Loyalty Missions are pretty well made, albeit I've only seen those in videos. And if we move on to the subject of the combat system, well I agree that New Vegas's gunplay is bad, but Andromeda's combat crushes TW3's in terms of pure fun factor, and to me that's not even a competition. To be honest I find the combat of Witcher 3 really fun as well. Although yes, being a third person shooter, of course Andromeda will have the upper hand on this department. However, W3 is not as difficult as Witcher 2... now that one was hard as hell I remember getting my ass kicked at the beginning of TW2. Kinda like at the beginning of Andromeda when I tried charging first and asking questions later, only to remember all I had for a firearm was a piddly Predator. Died in my very first firefight . TW3's combat is fun at first, but gets very repetitive since you have almost no progression. You fight the same way from the beginning in White Orchard to the very end of the last DLC. Sure, you can get a handful of new combat abilities, but they mostly suck. You can get alternate uses for Signs. and thankfully these are good, but it's just not enough to keep me interested when the vast majority of combat upgrades are mere incremental stat increases. Attack attack, dodge, Sign, rinse and repeat, it's what I did for 90% of all fights on Death March.
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Post by suikoden on Mar 22, 2017 23:47:00 GMT
It might be more accurate to list ME:A at 74%, which is what its PS4 rating is, as there's more PS4 critic reviews then Xbox One and PC combined. You're including some extreme outliers with the latter two - some as high as 95%, some as low as 50% (neither being realistic).
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Post by Silvery on Mar 23, 2017 3:42:08 GMT
It is weird seeing a Bioware game get judged this harshly by the critics. The user scores on Metacritic are trash though (in the past few years), it is a bunch of people who spam the score of a game in blind love or hate (mostly hate). The thing that is really putting me off is all the technical issues and bugs that every review mentions. Can't recall critics and players mention so many technical issues in a AAA game since Assassins Creed Unity. I think I am just going to wait it out for a few months until some patches kick in to fix that stuff. Rather not have my first playthrough ruined by issues.
This post did give me an idea for something though, but it might be a few days since I will have to wait for all of ME:A critic reviews to come in.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 23, 2017 3:48:25 GMT
It is weird seeing a Bioware game get judged this harshly by the critics. The user scores on Metacritic are trash though (in the past few years), it is a bunch of people who spam the score of a game in blind love or hate (mostly hate). The thing that is really putting me off is all the technical issues and bugs that every review mentions. Can't recall critics and players mention so many technical issues in a AAA game since Assassins Creed Unity. I think I am just going to wait it out for a few months until some patches kick in to fix that stuff. Rather not have my first playthrough ruined by issues. This post did give me an idea for something though, but it might be a few days since I will have to wait for all of ME:A critic reviews to come in. I agree, but 20 hours into the game, I absolutely see why.
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Post by crusty on Mar 23, 2017 4:01:36 GMT
Honestly, I think there are a lot of people who put a lot of attention into metacritic when it's not all that important. At the end of the day, is a metacritic score going to influence your enjoyment of the game? Personally, I think it makes you weak of mind if you rely on metacritic as some means of determining a game's quality. There is dozens of hours of well polished content in Andromeda. Out-of-context clippings of animations that aren't even that bad are exactly that, out of context. I do think there is an element from certain toxic communities that are trying to push and make BioWare look worse than it really is, thanks to BioWare's stance on inclusivity and sexuality in their RPGs. And BioWare has already caved to them repeatedly, with how M/M romances are treated. Regardless, BioWare are fighting a good fight against bigot groups, and this metacritic tanking is just part of the blowback from that.
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Post by Primordial Walker on Mar 23, 2017 4:02:45 GMT
Honestly, I think there are a lot of people who put a lot of attention into metacritic when it's not all that important. At the end of the day, is a metacritic score going to influence your enjoyment of the game? Personally, I think it makes you weak of mind if you rely on metacritic as some means of determining a game's quality. There is dozens of hours of well polished content in Andromeda. Out-of-context clippings of animations that aren't even that bad are exactly that, out of context. I do think there is an element from certain toxic communities that are trying to push and make BioWare look worse than it really is, thanks to BioWare's stance on inclusivity and sexuality in their RPGs. And BioWare has already caved to them repeatedly, with how M/M romances are treated. Regardless, BioWare are fighting a good fight against bigot groups, and this metacritic tanking is just part of the blowback from that.
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