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Post by ziegrif on Mar 22, 2017 8:56:39 GMT
Haven't played it yet. It's in the mail.
But I do decree that the User scores are not indicative of quality in anyway whatsoever.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 22, 2017 11:50:49 GMT
Some TW3 sidequests is so amazing, it tells a full story on its own. E.g. A towerful of mice; wild at heart; Crache children's story, Where cat and wolf play etc. Each and every single one of them require player's choice (which will shape its outcome ) even influence the main story line as well. ... and in ME those are squad and main planet missions... It's interesting how people always forget about those... if you're going to compare two games with different formats then at least get the analogous bits right.
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Post by degs29 on Mar 22, 2017 12:27:35 GMT
How could anyone seriously give MEA a 0? A game should be basically unplayable AND severely offensive to give it a score of 0. Even with the technical issues, which there are some, and if you happen to not like the dialogue, anything less than a 6 for a playable game with minor issues, at least decent writing, and fairly good RPG systems is ridiculous. Personally, having played about 16-20 hours so far, I love it! I've had like two glitches and two time being kicked out of the game, and that's pretty much it for technical issues. I like the writing, the combat, the RPG elements, the acting, everything just seems great to me! I'd give it at least an 8.5. Probably a 9. People are not reviewing it based on what the game is. People keep reviewing it on what it isn't! This doesn't happen with many other games. For Honor gets a higher Metacritic store with what people call basically a throwaway main plot and pretty good but in general very simple rock-paper-scissors combat, because why?? It's not compared to Zelda, HZD, etc. How is For Honor a better game than MEA?? You are telling me Daganropa 1-2 Reloaded is a better game than MEA? For what reason? It's ridiculous. Gameranx does a Before You Buy of MEA and complains about the platforming and SudoKu puzzles of MEA vaults, but Zelda BOTW gets praised for it's what? Simple platforming and stupidly-simple shrine puzzles?? Come on! HZD gets praised for it's great visuals, which MEA has, stripped-down RPG system, which MEA has expanded upon, and combat, which is shoot the thing on the glowy parts until it dies, or hit it with your stick until it dies. Sure, that's a bit more than that, but come on, the combat in MEA is way more exciting and variable. HZD may be more polished than MEA, but it's also about 1/4 as large and as long. And has the same type of fetch quests. "Bring me a lense of a Strider." "Find my father's spear." Simple fetch quest, but it gets praised for it! Even TW3 gets praised for its side quest design, but many of them boil down to "There's a thing terrorizing a place. Go kill it." There's the one "Go put this ring on a grave. Fight the thing. Tell me how it goes." Yeah, that's way different than any fetch quest. *sarcasmIt just really pisses me off. Sure, some people probably genuinely dislike the game. But for it to get a user score of 3.8 or so is unforgivable for those reviewing it. Skyrim is one of the buggiest games ever but gets praised. It just.... ugh! There needs to be a verification system on Metacritic for user reviews to prove you own the game and have played it. That way butthurt morons can't jump on some hate bandwagon and give a freaking good game a ZERO because of "endings" or "pandering" or "the facial animations I saw on YouTube." If only people who played the game got to give a review score, the score would be much MUCH higher. At least more in the range of the critic reviews. I don't think you've played TW3... It literally has the best side-quests in the RPG genre, ever. There's a reason why Mass Effect devs said this: "But we've also observed what other games have been doing, like The Witcher." Condominas continues, stressing that bigger isn't always better in that sidequests must be "meaningful" in order to be impactful—something The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt in particular carried off particularly well. "And it was very important for us that the quantity of scope doesn't downgrade the quality of whatever your are doing there." Apart from the loyalty missions, the side-quests in ME:A are largely filler, and certainly not meaningful. Feel free to disagree... The Witcher 3 is my favourite RPG of all time, but I still see where he's coming from. TW3 quests are broken down into main quests (which are awesome), side quests (which are awesome), witcher contracts (which I thought got tedious by the end of the game), and treasure hunts (which were basically fetch quests with no, or every limited, story). On my second playthrough, I committed to only doing main and secondary quests. Of course, my OCD-like gaming needs didn't let me do that, but still....
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Mar 22, 2017 12:48:04 GMT
lol @ user score Look at these golden nuggets. I don't see an agenda here. Do you? ---- SJWs manage to ruin another excellent saga, good job. Facial animations are reaaaaallly bad, like PS1 tier era or even worse. I wonder when EA will be satisfied. ---- muh transexuals muh pandering muh F.AGS muh progressive ideals muh dy.kes muh mentally ill shemales muh **** writing muh fetch quests --- Yet another game where the liberals ruined their game with an agenda. Bioware decided to hire transexuals, feminists and racists in the design team. Not artists or people based on skill. The animations and models where designed by a women. This is not the same team that worked on mass effect 1,2 and 3. This is a new studio that had an agenda and implemented into the game. --- Do not buy this trash. Do not support cancerous sjw community and Bioware as their PR part in videogame industry. We don't need imposing of wrong ideas and politics in gaming -- not only did they ruin everything in this game, including facial animations, but the dialogues, the poor voice-acting. The constant pandering to minorities, lefties, SJW, liberals, lesbian and trans. --- LOL PS: at least, The Tempest is not the SSV DaddyIssues 2.0v...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 13:06:54 GMT
Seriously, FINAL metascore and the poll is locked before it is even released?!
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 22, 2017 13:52:24 GMT
Seriously, FINAL metascore and the poll is locked before it is even released?! lmao... poor Europe.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 22, 2017 13:57:36 GMT
The only thing I really don't like about this getting around 75 is that I find that in many ways it's a definitive improvement over Inquisition and the last thing I want is for BioWare to look dumbfounded at the scores and go "Welp, I guess we should just keep iterating on the Inquisition formula instead!"
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Post by vonuber on Mar 22, 2017 14:18:04 GMT
It's a lot better than DA:I in my personal opinion. For example, the open world is better from a navigation point of view because you can traverse it quicker and easier. You can literally just drive away from a random encounter rather than getting bogged down.
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Post by Camel on Mar 22, 2017 14:49:21 GMT
lol @ user score Look at these golden nuggets. I don't see an agenda here. Do you? ---- SJWs manage to ruin another excellent saga, good job. Facial animations are reaaaaallly bad, like PS1 tier era or even worse. I wonder when EA will be satisfied. ---- muh transexuals muh pandering muh F.AGS muh progressive ideals muh dy.kes muh mentally ill shemales muh **** writing muh fetch quests --- Yet another game where the liberals ruined their game with an agenda. Bioware decided to hire transexuals, feminists and racists in the design team. Not artists or people based on skill. The animations and models where designed by a women. This is not the same team that worked on mass effect 1,2 and 3. This is a new studio that had an agenda and implemented into the game. --- Do not buy this trash. Do not support cancerous sjw community and Bioware as their PR part in videogame industry. We don't need imposing of wrong ideas and politics in gaming -- not only did they ruin everything in this game, including facial animations, but the dialogues, the poor voice-acting. The constant pandering to minorities, lefties, SJW, liberals, lesbian and trans. --- LOL I'm glad I bought a deluxe edition of MEA.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 22, 2017 14:54:26 GMT
Bioware's Metacritic user rankings (using latest Xbox system as barometer) by game since Knights of the Old Republic: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (2003) |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 9.2 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II (2004) |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 8.6 Jade Empire (2005) |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 8.6 Mass Effect (2007) ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 8.7 Dragon Age: Origins (2009) ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 7.9 Mass Effect 2 (2010) ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 8.9 Dragon Age 2 (2011) ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 4.5 Mass Effect 3 (2012) |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 5.6 Dragon Age: Inquisition (2014) ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 6.9 Mass Effect: Andromeda (2017) ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 3.9
Clearly, something went wrong. It's like Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3's ending turned Bioware's fans against them. They gave a good showing with Inquisition, but fans wouldn't let the previous two installments go. Andromeda's a good game, but not good enough to be easily defended from criticism; which of course brings the haters out of their shadows. I think we're paying for EA's lack of vision. Bioware really needs to go back and look at the games they made prior to the EA regime and figure out where it all went wrong.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Mar 22, 2017 14:54:49 GMT
lol @ user score Look at these golden nuggets. I don't see an agenda here. Do you? ---- SJWs manage to ruin another excellent saga, good job. Facial animations are reaaaaallly bad, like PS1 tier era or even worse. I wonder when EA will be satisfied. ---- muh transexuals muh pandering muh F.AGS muh progressive ideals muh dy.kes muh mentally ill shemales muh **** writing muh fetch quests --- Yet another game where the liberals ruined their game with an agenda. Bioware decided to hire transexuals, feminists and racists in the design team. Not artists or people based on skill. The animations and models where designed by a women. This is not the same team that worked on mass effect 1,2 and 3. This is a new studio that had an agenda and implemented into the game. --- Do not buy this trash. Do not support cancerous sjw community and Bioware as their PR part in videogame industry. We don't need imposing of wrong ideas and politics in gaming -- not only did they ruin everything in this game, including facial animations, but the dialogues, the poor voice-acting. The constant pandering to minorities, lefties, SJW, liberals, lesbian and trans. --- LOL I'm glad I bought a deluxe ediotion of MEA. I'm glad I bought a super deluxe.
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Post by Fredward on Mar 22, 2017 14:57:00 GMT
I think we all know what the most important thing is here: Dutch was wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 14:57:15 GMT
Seriously, FINAL metascore and the poll is locked before it is even released?! lmao... poor Europe. No, it just makes no sense to have a poll for the folks on the site to vote when save for a very few players nobody could be expected to get through the game yet. That's so pointless.
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Post by neocodex and 23 others on Mar 22, 2017 15:16:05 GMT
Seriously, FINAL metascore and the poll is locked before it is even released?! Yeah, fuck that website.
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Post by jastall on Mar 22, 2017 15:22:21 GMT
How could anyone seriously give MEA a 0? A game should be basically unplayable AND severely offensive to give it a score of 0. Even with the technical issues, which there are some, and if you happen to not like the dialogue, anything less than a 6 for a playable game with minor issues, at least decent writing, and fairly good RPG systems is ridiculous. Personally, having played about 16-20 hours so far, I love it! I've had like two glitches and two time being kicked out of the game, and that's pretty much it for technical issues. I like the writing, the combat, the RPG elements, the acting, everything just seems great to me! I'd give it at least an 8.5. Probably a 9. People are not reviewing it based on what the game is. People keep reviewing it on what it isn't! This doesn't happen with many other games. For Honor gets a higher Metacritic store with what people call basically a throwaway main plot and pretty good but in general very simple rock-paper-scissors combat, because why?? It's not compared to Zelda, HZD, etc. How is For Honor a better game than MEA?? You are telling me Daganropa 1-2 Reloaded is a better game than MEA? For what reason? It's ridiculous. Gameranx does a Before You Buy of MEA and complains about the platforming and SudoKu puzzles of MEA vaults, but Zelda BOTW gets praised for it's what? Simple platforming and stupidly-simple shrine puzzles?? Come on! HZD gets praised for it's great visuals, which MEA has, stripped-down RPG system, which MEA has expanded upon, and combat, which is shoot the thing on the glowy parts until it dies, or hit it with your stick until it dies. Sure, that's a bit more than that, but come on, the combat in MEA is way more exciting and variable. HZD may be more polished than MEA, but it's also about 1/4 as large and as long. And has the same type of fetch quests. "Bring me a lense of a Strider." "Find my father's spear." Simple fetch quest, but it gets praised for it! Even TW3 gets praised for its side quest design, but many of them boil down to "There's a thing terrorizing a place. Go kill it." There's the one "Go put this ring on a grave. Fight the thing. Tell me how it goes." Yeah, that's way different than any fetch quest. *sarcasmIt just really pisses me off. Sure, some people probably genuinely dislike the game. But for it to get a user score of 3.8 or so is unforgivable for those reviewing it. Skyrim is one of the buggiest games ever but gets praised. It just.... ugh! There needs to be a verification system on Metacritic for user reviews to prove you own the game and have played it. That way butthurt morons can't jump on some hate bandwagon and give a freaking good game a ZERO because of "endings" or "pandering" or "the facial animations I saw on YouTube." If only people who played the game got to give a review score, the score would be much MUCH higher. At least more in the range of the critic reviews. I don't think you've played TW3... It literally has the best side-quests in the RPG genre, ever. There's a reason why Mass Effect devs said this: "But we've also observed what other games have been doing, like The Witcher." Condominas continues, stressing that bigger isn't always better in that sidequests must be "meaningful" in order to be impactful—something The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt in particular carried off particularly well. "And it was very important for us that the quantity of scope doesn't downgrade the quality of whatever your are doing there." Apart from the loyalty missions, the side-quests in ME:A are largely filler, and certainly not meaningful. Feel free to disagree... TW3 didn't have particularly great side-quest design, outside of a few really cool outliers like Triss's party near Novigrad, the Gwent tournament and the tourney in Blood and Wine. Most of them were boiled down to a mix of ''go, there, talk to them, Witcher Sense this, kill that, return''. What made them cool were that they were all accompanied by well-made cutscenes to give them purpose. But the actual mechanics weren't anything to write home about, most of the times. They certainly weren't the best side-quests in an RPG ever, not even close. The good Fallout games (FO1, FO2 and New Vegas) blow TW3 out of the water in that department, as does Planescape Torment, Pillars of Eternity (most of the classic CRPGs in fact) and I'd argue Dragon Age: Origins too, albeit that's a purely subjective view. In these games, you could use your character's skills (and sometimes your own reasoning) to complete side content in a variety of ways. New Vegas was particularly good at that, many side-quests had 3 or 4 possible resolutions, sometimes even more. Witcher 3 mostly has you follow the plotted line directly without deviating until the game lets you decide if NPC X has to die or not. Don't get me wrong, it's better than the side content in most Bioware games for sure. Best of all time? Nah.
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 22, 2017 15:39:34 GMT
Haters will bring it down. They always show up to vote their hate. Haters? I think 70 is fair... in this day and age... a game claiming to be "AAA" and asking what $80 on launch with crap animations and chopped off content deserves higher than that?! come on... game does not even have QUARIANS for crying out loud. 70 is average and is justified IMHO but higher than that? nope. Gun play looks fun though
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 22, 2017 15:43:03 GMT
I don't think you've played TW3... It literally has the best side-quests in the RPG genre, ever. There's a reason why Mass Effect devs said this: "But we've also observed what other games have been doing, like The Witcher." Condominas continues, stressing that bigger isn't always better in that sidequests must be "meaningful" in order to be impactful—something The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt in particular carried off particularly well. "And it was very important for us that the quantity of scope doesn't downgrade the quality of whatever your are doing there." Apart from the loyalty missions, the side-quests in ME:A are largely filler, and certainly not meaningful. Feel free to disagree... TW3 didn't have particularly great side-quest design, outside of a few really cool outliers like Triss's party near Novigrad, the Gwent tournament and the tourney in Blood and Wine. Most of them were boiled down to a mix of ''go, there, talk to them, Witcher Sense this, kill that, return''. What made them cool were that they were all accompanied by well-made cutscenes to give them purpose. But the actual mechanics weren't anything to write home about, most of the times. They certainly weren't the best side-quests in an RPG ever, not even close. The good Fallout games (FO1, FO2 and New Vegas) blow TW3 out of the water in that department, as does Planescape Torment, Pillars of Eternity (most of the classic CRPGs in fact) and I'd argue Dragon Age: Origins too, albeit that's a purely subjective view. In these games, you could use your character's skills (and sometimes your own reasoning) to complete side content in a variety of ways. New Vegas was particularly good at that, many side-quests had 3 or 4 possible resolutions, sometimes even more. Witcher 3 mostly has you follow the plotted line directly without deviating until the game lets you decide if NPC X has to die or not. Don't get me wrong, it's better than the side content in most Bioware games for sure. Best of all time? Nah. "W3 didn't have particularly great side-quest design, outside of a few really cool outliers like Triss's party near Novigrad, the Gwent tournament and the tourney in Blood and Wine. Most of them were boiled down to a mix of ''go, there, talk to them, Witcher Sense this, kill that, return''." if you look at it that way yes. but instead of outright saying "another settlement needs your help" atleast CDPR actually made the hassle to ACTUALLY include a side story for that "reason" why you were doing it in the first place it actually "mattered"
P.S I played new vegas... gun play is crappy as hell. The story was... ehhh didn't connect to me that well. But the METRO SERIES however, now that... is what I call a proper post-apocalyptic game along with S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
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Post by joglee on Mar 22, 2017 15:45:15 GMT
No matter how many issues this game had it is a playable game (I'm really enjoying it!).
It deserves a 5 at minimum. All those 0-1 reviews are just trolls trying to tank the score.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 22, 2017 15:48:00 GMT
Haters will bring it down. They always show up to vote their hate. Haters? I think 70 is fair... in this day and age... a game claiming to be "AAA" and asking what $80 on launch with crap animations and chopped off content deserves higher than that?! come on... game does not even have QUARIANS for crying out loud. 70 is average and is justified IMHO but higher than that? nope. Gun play looks fun though I think he's talking about the user score.
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Post by fiannawolf on Mar 22, 2017 15:54:13 GMT
I'd say so far I'd rate this game at a 7/10. It has tons of issues but I like the crafting, combat and skill stuff. Story is hit or miss atm, plus frack off ice planet.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 22, 2017 15:54:38 GMT
I think we all know what the most important thing is here: Dutch was wrong. And the universe is balanced once again.
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Post by DDutchguy on Mar 22, 2017 15:57:35 GMT
I don't think Metacritic user score is very reliable most of the time, because it fluctuates very wildly and is easily influenced by controversy. On like 90% of Metacritic games the game has been given both a 0 and a 10 by somebody. In general with Metacritic user reviews I feel like the people that give games a 0 or a 1 didn't give the game much of a chance to begin with and just needed some place to vent.
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Jan 30, 2017 21:13:28 GMT
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jastall
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Jade Empire
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Post by jastall on Mar 22, 2017 15:58:38 GMT
TW3 didn't have particularly great side-quest design, outside of a few really cool outliers like Triss's party near Novigrad, the Gwent tournament and the tourney in Blood and Wine. Most of them were boiled down to a mix of ''go, there, talk to them, Witcher Sense this, kill that, return''. What made them cool were that they were all accompanied by well-made cutscenes to give them purpose. But the actual mechanics weren't anything to write home about, most of the times. They certainly weren't the best side-quests in an RPG ever, not even close. The good Fallout games (FO1, FO2 and New Vegas) blow TW3 out of the water in that department, as does Planescape Torment, Pillars of Eternity (most of the classic CRPGs in fact) and I'd argue Dragon Age: Origins too, albeit that's a purely subjective view. In these games, you could use your character's skills (and sometimes your own reasoning) to complete side content in a variety of ways. New Vegas was particularly good at that, many side-quests had 3 or 4 possible resolutions, sometimes even more. Witcher 3 mostly has you follow the plotted line directly without deviating until the game lets you decide if NPC X has to die or not. Don't get me wrong, it's better than the side content in most Bioware games for sure. Best of all time? Nah. "W3 didn't have particularly great side-quest design, outside of a few really cool outliers like Triss's party near Novigrad, the Gwent tournament and the tourney in Blood and Wine. Most of them were boiled down to a mix of ''go, there, talk to them, Witcher Sense this, kill that, return''." if you look at it that way yes. but instead of outright saying "another settlement needs your help" atleast CDPR actually made the hassle to ACTUALLY include a side story for that "reason" why you were doing it in the first place it actually "mattered"
P.S I played new vegas... gun play is crappy as hell. The story was... ehhh didn't connect to me that well. But the METRO SERIES however, now that... is what I call a proper post-apocalyptic game along with S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Yes? I agreed about that, what made their side-content good is the story around them. But New Vegas had good stories around them as well as multiple ways to complete them. As far as I'm concerned, it's the apex of side-quest design in RPGs. While Andromeda's side content (so far) certainly isn't better than TW3's, it IS progress from Inquisition if you ask me, they generally give more purpose to side-quests, they relate to your main job and the plot, and while the scanner is overused it's a cooler mechanic than Witcher Senses because a) it provides background on the setting and it doesn't clutter my screen in terrible fish eye effects. Also Loyalty Missions are pretty well made, albeit I've only seen those in videos. And if we move on to the subject of the combat system, well I agree that New Vegas's gunplay is bad, but Andromeda's combat crushes TW3's in terms of pure fun factor, and to me that's not even a competition.
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