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Post by griffith82 on Mar 30, 2017 19:23:25 GMT
I think a game where it takes you 15 meetings just to establish the protocol of where, when and in what language to hold the next 20 meetings would be tremendous fun. Can't see why no-one hasn't done it before. Because most wouldn't sit through it? Play Civilization if you want something like that in a game like this you need some suspension of disbelief. Sure it should take months or years in "reality" but that would be too much for a game.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 30, 2017 19:28:51 GMT
It's strange that so many people are saying "I'm done with reviews", because the reviews were mediocre.
If the reviews were the other way, and were super good because they hyper-incentivized the good points of the game, would people still say the same thing?
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 30, 2017 19:32:08 GMT
I've often found myself throwing my hands up and saying "I'm done with reviews" because I felt something was too positive lol.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 30, 2017 19:52:25 GMT
Man, I would pay lots of money to play stand-alone games within MET. A game on Citadel A game on Tuchanka A game about the mercenary groups (Blue Suns, Blood Pack, etc.) They could use ME3 mechanics and be shorter (10-15 hours of gameplay). But nooo, SuperMac wanted to be edgy... Now here we are, five years later, giving a BW game 7.7 and calling it "decent", and "good enough". Sorry folks, but as papa Ryder said, pretty good is not good enough! And 10-15 hour mini-games would be?
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 30, 2017 19:55:48 GMT
It's strange that so many people are saying "I'm done with reviews", because the reviews were mediocre. If the reviews were the other way, and were super good because they hyper-incentivized the good points of the game, would people still say the same thing? It would be exactly the same. People saying the reviews were paid for, users who like it would be slammed same old crap.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 30, 2017 19:57:26 GMT
It's strange that so many people are saying "I'm done with reviews", because the reviews were mediocre. If the reviews were the other way, and were super good because they hyper-incentivized the good points of the game, would people still say the same thing? It would be exactly the same. People saying the reviews were paid for, users who like it would be slammed same old crap. Fair point, actually. I completely forgot the "DEVELOPER paid for this review" crap. I've read and watched a lot of reviews I agree with mostly everything they criticize Some people seem to be having a hard time admitting the game isn't perfect. It's also OK to like a game that isn't perfect
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Post by lyvean on Mar 30, 2017 20:07:48 GMT
No. You seem to think that it's either BioWare's way or no way at all. There tons of better ways to establish a relation with a nation or a species that could make sense. What we are being offered is immature, illogical and, frankly, the same old way BioWare does things. Ok, how? In a way that works in a game without pages of text to go through or cut scenes. Surely its been done in a setting like this, right? You need reason. A realistic reason for the love of god. That is what a good plot is. Use some cutscenes for storytelling, what is wrong with cutscenes? How about they meet up and both humans and Angara get attacked at the same time? How about a space ship battle when the humans appear suddenly which gets them involved? How about the humans bring some great technology that can benefit Angara and they start collaboration as equals, helping one another instead of us becoming fetch boys? How about the humans being forced to work for the Angara if they want free reign on the planet? How about the Angara become hostile immediately and there is a series quest that involved fighting them until you discover a plot in the Angara by traitors, which you solve and they start to trust you? How about taking your time to build these things, like a superior rpg would do, like the Witcher 3? Anything would make more sense than a species appearing in another galaxy and within five minutes they are allowed to work for another civilization to solve their problems in exchange of a scientist that can help gain access in a vault that can control their atmosphere? Are you even serious?? Jesus, some people really deserve the games they get.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 30, 2017 20:13:04 GMT
Real diplomacy between nations takes years, duh, that doesnt make MEA terrible, that makes reality a feature you cannot incorporate in gameplay. If you play games because everything makes sense then perhaps you shouldnt even start a game that is set in space based on non-existent technology given to everyone by a race now extinct and whose AI machines now wipe the galaxy of all advanced civilizations. So either you suspend your notions and accept these things or you stick to...hmmm...what game doesnt require you to accept some weird stuff as reality? No. You seem to think that it's either BioWare's way or no way at all. There tons of better ways to establish a relation with a nation or a species that could make sense. What we are being offered is immature, illogical and, frankly, the same old way BioWare does things. Yes. Diplomacy takes some freakin' time, and effort. Source : I work with that.
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Post by Cannibal on Mar 30, 2017 20:16:01 GMT
The whole MEA review process was the final nail in the coffin for my opinion of the professional review industry. Well, they are professionals - you're just a casual gamer. I'd put it this way, would you trust critical reviews, or user scores? Is 73% more accurate what with all the bugs and subpar writing, or is 46% (user score) more accurate? Professionals? Really? LOL! They're game journalists, not gods gift to gaming.
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 30, 2017 20:27:39 GMT
It would be exactly the same. People saying the reviews were paid for, users who like it would be slammed same old crap. Fair point, actually. I completely forgot the "DEVELOPER paid for this review" crap. I've read and watched a lot of reviews I agree with mostly everything they criticize Some people seem to be having a hard time admitting the game isn't perfect. It's also OK to like a game that isn't perfect Very well put as I like Duke Nukem Forever, a very widely criticized game. As far as this one, I'm not sure people can't admit it isn't perfect but are getting tired of the rampant hatred of a lot of these posts and reviews.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 30, 2017 20:30:50 GMT
Fair point, actually. I completely forgot the "DEVELOPER paid for this review" crap. I've read and watched a lot of reviews I agree with mostly everything they criticize Some people seem to be having a hard time admitting the game isn't perfect. It's also OK to like a game that isn't perfect Very well put as I like Duke Nukem Forever, a very widely criticized game. As far as this one, I'm not sure people can't admit it isn't perfect but are getting tired of the rampant hatred of a lot of these posts and reviews. Side note, could you please select an avatar since you are becoming a regular poster, and I like your opinion. The blank screen is making my OCD go crazy...
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Post by suikoden on Mar 30, 2017 20:32:18 GMT
Well, they are professionals - you're just a casual gamer. I'd put it this way, would you trust critical reviews, or user scores? Is 73% more accurate what with all the bugs and subpar writing, or is 46% (user score) more accurate? Professionals? Really? LOL! They're game journalists, not gods gift to gaming. Well, I'd take their conglomerate average on metacritic over the bias of fanboys who are unwilling to see flaws in a game and swallow them up willingly while pleading "please sir, can I have some more?"
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Post by Biodron on Mar 30, 2017 20:32:55 GMT
I honestly don't care about reviews, especially users reviews because a lot of them are probably trolls. (like the trolls who give 1 to Zelda and/or horizon zero dawn because that games were exclusive)
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 30, 2017 20:34:34 GMT
Very well put as I like Duke Nukem Forever, a very widely criticized game. As far as this one, I'm not sure people can't admit it isn't perfect but are getting tired of the rampant hatred of a lot of these posts and reviews. Side note, could you please select an avatar since you are becoming a regular poster, and I like your opinion. The blank screen is making my OCD go crazy... lol I understand. I work in retail and some people hate that I make things neat. (Not my boss though lol.)😉Will do when I get home. It says I can't on my iPhone.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 30, 2017 20:41:38 GMT
Side note, could you please select an avatar since you are becoming a regular poster, and I like your opinion. The blank screen is making my OCD go crazy... lol I understand. I work in retail and some people hate that I make things neat. (Not my boss though lol.)😉Will do when I get home. It says I can't on my iPhone. Thank you. Much appreciated.
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Post by AGECCR on Mar 30, 2017 20:49:47 GMT
Yahtzee Croshaw is the only pro I listen to. I definitely don't always agree with his final judgement on a game but he's a smart guy, funny as heck and I know I can trust his judgement on the package as a whole. Everything he lists as the positives/negatives about a game are usually true and, even if I disagree I can see his points. I've been done with game critiques for a long while now (over 10 years). I have over 20 years of gaming experience that covers a multitude of genres and systems; I do fine on my own finding games through reading user reviews online (very few of the outlying scores, mainly the most consistent scoring mid. mark) and seeing what overlaps within their writing and making my own call if it'd be something I'd like or not. Final step: Watch Youtube silent plays if I'm still in doubt. Works perfectly for me. I give Andromeda a 9/10 for my first run-through experience: - I'm partial to the series - I experienced only one bug in the game (the Special Requisitions cutscene with Liam and Jaal spawned two naked Jaals . . . . I'm not exactly in a rush to alert them to this, though.... ) - Thought it handled the sidequests better than DA:I (could be better still) - The story and cast where above my expectations (so massive points from this as this is the most important to me in an RPG) - Only serious complaint I have is the Archon and final boss fight (Mentioned this a few times here) After playing it another time and after some time has passed, the score may go down a little but I don't think it will be more than .5.
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Post by Cannibal on Mar 30, 2017 20:53:48 GMT
Professionals? Really? LOL! They're game journalists, not gods gift to gaming. Well, I'd take their conglomerate average on metacritic over the bias of fanboys who are unwilling to see flaws in a game and swallow them up willingly while pleading "please sir, can I have some more?" You mean their average score that's higher than the score of said fan boys?
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Post by smilesja on Mar 30, 2017 20:59:47 GMT
Well, I'd take their conglomerate average on metacritic over the bias of fanboys who are unwilling to see flaws in a game and swallow them up willingly while pleading "please sir, can I have some more?" You mean their average score that's higher than the score of said fan boys? Maybe they're the fanboys?
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 30, 2017 21:04:22 GMT
You mean their average score that's higher than the score of said fan boys? Maybe they're the fanboys? This fanboy struggled with that. Believe me...
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Post by colfoley on Mar 30, 2017 23:12:09 GMT
The whole MEA review process was the final nail in the coffin for my opinion of the professional review industry. Well, they are professionals - you're just a casual gamer. I'd put it this way, would you trust critical reviews, or user scores? Is 73% more accurate what with all the bugs and subpar writing, or is 46% (user score) more accurate? neither. I don't trust the professional reviews now. I've never trusted user reviews.
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Post by Addictress on Mar 30, 2017 23:18:50 GMT
People need to watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Arrival. Obviously the aliens won't be as mysterious as those examples, but the thrill and mystery which unfolds methodically through solving each step in building communication and relationships with a new alien species is perfected in those two films.
They're not boring. They're fascinating. To treat it as lightly and hand-wave the process as Andromeda did is intellectually bankrupt.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 30, 2017 23:21:02 GMT
People need to watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Arrival. Obviously the aliens won't be as mysterious as those examples, but the thrill and mystery which unfolds methodically through solving each step in building communication and relationships with a new alien species is perfected in those two films. They're not boring. They're fascinating. To treat it as lightly and hand-wave the process as Andromeda did is intellectually bankrupt. The only thing interesting about those films is the music communication segment. For everything else, it stinks as an alien movie in my opinion.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 31, 2017 0:20:13 GMT
TB did an hour video on the singleplayer and it and it's pretty good.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 31, 2017 14:18:00 GMT
Well, add my name to the list then. My review has been posted. It's probably on OpenCritic now as well. A quote from it. "Much like the character of Ryder, Mass Effect: Andromeda is a title that struggles to find its footing at first but does come around to more stable ground as the game progresses. It is a shame that the unpolished animations and technical hiccups really accentuate the underlying problems the game has. Andromeda is a good game and worth a play, but it is not a game that will light the world on fire, which is no doubt part of the overall disappointment many have for the title." Final score, a 7.5.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 31, 2017 14:58:12 GMT
People need to watch Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Arrival. Obviously the aliens won't be as mysterious as those examples, but the thrill and mystery which unfolds methodically through solving each step in building communication and relationships with a new alien species is perfected in those two films. They're not boring. They're fascinating. To treat it as lightly and hand-wave the process as Andromeda did is intellectually bankrupt. As a film, that works fine, but I'd bet my PS4 that if Andromeda tried to do what either of these films did, there'd be far greater feedback going on about how intensely boring the game is. To clarify, I do wish that the game put just a wee bit more emphasis on working towards communicating with the Angara and Kett. It was nice to FINALLY be able to hear an actual alien language being spoken in the game, but then suddenly everyone was able to communicate again. I guess it was SAM? I honestly don't remember, but I do remember it happening abruptly. Honestly, I wouldn't have been opposed to a brief sequence where Ryder's first encounter with the Angara had some sort of "synchronization" moment where they'd be able to communicate during the first contact scene on Aya. It'd be quick and painless and right to the point without feeling throwaway.
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