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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 30, 2017 11:18:27 GMT
What i personally did in my playthrough was start at 100 points and everytime i saw a graphics glitch,bug or bad animation i deducted a point,when i finally finished the game i was sitting on about 76 points and i think this was fair.
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Post by Teddie Sage on Mar 30, 2017 11:20:30 GMT
I don't really have the patience to go through TB's whole 2 hours video, so what were pros and cons?
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Post by lyvean on Mar 30, 2017 11:30:34 GMT
I really like the beginning of Eurogamer's review: 1. "You've barely laid eyes on the kett before you're looting their corpses, filling your pockets with gun parts, credit chips and omni-sellable "salvage" items wrapped in pointless flavour text. 2. You've hardly swapped greetings with the angara - the friendliest of Andromeda's three new species - before you're running errands for them, dropping off lunch for resistance fighters or plunging through purple jungles in search of a scientist's mislaid revision notes. 3. If there's any genuine mystery or intrigue to the idea of travelling 2.5 million lightyears to colonise another galaxy, BioWare's fourth Mass Effect smacks it over the head with a prospector's shovel and boots it out the airlock during the first few hours of play." The first contact with the Angara in particular was so terribly, terribly done. I disagree. 1. The reason you're looting the kett before you've barely laid eyes on them is because the kett establishes from the beginning that they are hostile and attack on sight. Speaking as someone who hasn't completed the game yet, the kett are a mystery that is gradually revealed as the story progresses on. 2. The reason you're running "errands" for the angaran is to earn their trust and turn their opinion of you by proving yourself to be an ally that will help them out. Even if you skip out on the minor missions, you still have to earn their trust through the story mission before they'll even let you into their city. 3. I consider the remnant and the kett to be interesting mysteries. I have my complaints about how the game handled first contact including with the angara but I don't think it did it terribly. You do know that is by definition how relationships DO NOT work between nations, right? That is what makes MEA terrible. Nothing of what you do makes sense, other than being used a game mechanic. There are myriad ways of building up relationships with new found species, than them allowing you into their darkest secrets the minute you come strolling from another galaxy. There is nothing mature about this or deep or complex. It is the same silly way of doing quests, that BioWare has been doing for some time now. |
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Post by disi on Mar 30, 2017 11:44:46 GMT
For me: Its a game you can kill time with, it is not a game you try to make time for.
The worlds are very nice (have only seen Eon so far)
The presentation of the characters is subpar (animations, faces)
The dungeon and overall quest on Eon was very good
The exploring bit including scanning is fun for me
The combat is OK (too much respawn)
I cannot say much about the story yet after ~12-14h
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Post by mrtijger on Mar 30, 2017 11:47:18 GMT
I disagree. 1. The reason you're looting the kett before you've barely laid eyes on them is because the kett establishes from the beginning that they are hostile and attack on sight. Speaking as someone who hasn't completed the game yet, the kett are a mystery that is gradually revealed as the story progresses on. 2. The reason you're running "errands" for the angaran is to earn their trust and turn their opinion of you by proving yourself to be an ally that will help them out. Even if you skip out on the minor missions, you still have to earn their trust through the story mission before they'll even let you into their city. 3. I consider the remnant and the kett to be interesting mysteries. I have my complaints about how the game handled first contact including with the angara but I don't think it did it terribly. You do know that is by definition how relationships DO NOT work between nations, right? That is what makes MEA terrible. Nothing of what you do makes sense, other than being used a game mechanic. There are myriad ways of building up relationships with new found species, than them allowing you into their darkest secrets the minute you come strolling from another galaxy. There is nothing mature about this or deep or complex. It is the same silly way of doing quests, that BioWare has been doing for some time now. Real diplomacy between nations takes years, duh, that doesnt make MEA terrible, that makes reality a feature you cannot incorporate in gameplay. If you play games because everything makes sense then perhaps you shouldnt even start a game that is set in space based on non-existent technology given to everyone by a race now extinct and whose AI machines now wipe the galaxy of all advanced civilizations. So either you suspend your notions and accept these things or you stick to...hmmm...what game doesnt require you to accept some weird stuff as reality? |
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Post by mrtijger on Mar 30, 2017 11:48:04 GMT
For me: Its a game you can kill time with, it is not a game you try to make time for. The worlds are very nice (have only seen Eon so far) The presentation of the characters is subpar (animations, faces) The dungeon and overall quest on Eon was very good The exploring bit including scanning is fun for me The combat is OK (too much respawn) I cannot say much about the story yet after ~12-14h Uh...there are no respawns in Single Player. |
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Post by disi on Mar 30, 2017 12:25:08 GMT
For me: Its a game you can kill time with, it is not a game you try to make time for. The worlds are very nice (have only seen Eon so far) The presentation of the characters is subpar (animations, faces) The dungeon and overall quest on Eon was very good The exploring bit including scanning is fun for me The combat is OK (too much respawn) I cannot say much about the story yet after ~12-14h Uh...there are no respawns in Single Player. If you drive over Eon, there is Kett landing everywhere. You kill them, drive on, next time you come around they land again. Maybe it is like templar and mages war in the Hinterlands? Where there is a battlefield you just cannot pass until a certain level or you will die. Once you solved that conflict there will be no enemies and you can cross without a fight. There is also radiation level 3 preventing me to progress in Eon... |
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Post by fade9wayz on Mar 30, 2017 12:44:08 GMT
I don't really have the patience to go through TB's whole 2 hours video, so what were pros and cons? Uhh, let's see what I remember...: -He starts by aknowledging the difficulty of making a review as objective as possible, considering all that has already been said about MEA so far. There's the risk of goint too far in either direction. -Mediocre facial animations and lip-sync with humans -inconsistent quality in dialogues -Amazing environments with crazy range of sight -Great combat for those who appreciate a more dynamic shooter, poor combat for those who miss combat-pause and tactical control over companions -Great diversity in power builds and crafting -Bad UI. Bad, bad, bad UI. -Gameplay mechanism well integrated with Story-telling (planet viability) -In the end he'd rate it 7/10. Good game, but very flawed. How you'll like the game will depend a lot on what your focus in games is at. If it's combat, and mechanics, chances are you'll have your fair share of fun with it. For TB himself, entertaining enough to want to keep playing it, as he's indeed more combat and mechanics oriented. I'm sure I forgot plenty of things he mentionned, and do him an injustice while resuming his video so succinctly, but that's the gist of it. |
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Post by mrtijger on Mar 30, 2017 12:44:29 GMT
Uh...there are no respawns in Single Player. If you drive over Eon, there is Kett landing everywhere. You kill them, drive on, next time you come around they land again. Maybe it is like templar and mages war in the Hinterlands? Where there is a battlefield you just cannot pass until a certain level or you will die. Once you solved that conflict there will be no enemies and you can cross without a fight. There is also radiation level 3 preventing me to progress in Eon... The radiation is intentional, do the monoliths quest and it will dissapate over time and then you can return to Eos and run around all over the place which is a lot bigger than what you see at first. |
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Post by lyvean on Mar 30, 2017 13:14:09 GMT
You do know that is by definition how relationships DO NOT work between nations, right? That is what makes MEA terrible. Nothing of what you do makes sense, other than being used a game mechanic. There are myriad ways of building up relationships with new found species, than them allowing you into their darkest secrets the minute you come strolling from another galaxy. There is nothing mature about this or deep or complex. It is the same silly way of doing quests, that BioWare has been doing for some time now. Real diplomacy between nations takes years, duh, that doesnt make MEA terrible, that makes reality a feature you cannot incorporate in gameplay. If you play games because everything makes sense then perhaps you shouldnt even start a game that is set in space based on non-existent technology given to everyone by a race now extinct and whose AI machines now wipe the galaxy of all advanced civilizations. So either you suspend your notions and accept these things or you stick to...hmmm...what game doesnt require you to accept some weird stuff as reality? No. You seem to think that it's either BioWare's way or no way at all. There tons of better ways to establish a relation with a nation or a species that could make sense. What we are being offered is immature, illogical and, frankly, the same old way BioWare does things. |
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Post by ShadowAngel on Mar 30, 2017 13:39:01 GMT
Uh...there are no respawns in Single Player. If you drive over Eon, there is Kett landing everywhere. You kill them, drive on, next time you come around they land again. Maybe it is like templar and mages war in the Hinterlands? Where there is a battlefield you just cannot pass until a certain level or you will die. Once you solved that conflict there will be no enemies and you can cross without a fight. There is also radiation level 3 preventing me to progress in Eon... The radiation is intentional, it's to prevent you from going so far out as you're meant to come back later (won't say why). The respawns are also something to ignore unles you want the simple fun if killing them as well as farming them for loot I guess. I simply drive past them every time since there isn't a reason to fight them. In short, they respawn I guess to give you something to do I guess but they're nothing major or required. |
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Post by mrtijger on Mar 30, 2017 13:44:37 GMT
Real diplomacy between nations takes years, duh, that doesnt make MEA terrible, that makes reality a feature you cannot incorporate in gameplay. If you play games because everything makes sense then perhaps you shouldnt even start a game that is set in space based on non-existent technology given to everyone by a race now extinct and whose AI machines now wipe the galaxy of all advanced civilizations. So either you suspend your notions and accept these things or you stick to...hmmm...what game doesnt require you to accept some weird stuff as reality? No. You seem to think that it's either BioWare's way or no way at all. There tons of better ways to establish a relation with a nation or a species that could make sense. What we are being offered is immature, illogical and, frankly, the same old way BioWare does things. Ok, how? In a way that works in a game without pages of text to go through or cut scenes. Surely its been done in a setting like this, right? |
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Post by vonuber on Mar 30, 2017 14:05:53 GMT
I think a game where it takes you 15 meetings just to establish the protocol of where, when and in what language to hold the next 20 meetings would be tremendous fun. Can't see why no-one hasn't done it before.
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Post by Oswin on Mar 30, 2017 14:11:17 GMT
I haven't finished it yet but have sunk in over 50 hours (I'm just before the final mission I think) I'd give it 7.5/10. If they ever stop the eyes from being so scarily white then I'll bump it up to 8  I'm enjoying it. I like the squad and really don't get all the hate for them - particularly the comparisons of Peebee to Sera. When I saw several reviews make that comparison I decided to give her a wide birth. Finished her loyalty mission yesterday and I don't see it. She is way easier for me to get on with. I'm also liking Ryder. I like that she's (playing as fem) so different to Shep in terms of experience. I don't want another war vet. I pick all the sarcastic options and Liam referred to her as kind of a jerk  but if I can play as nice guy who drops terrible puns then that's damn well how I'm going to play. That won't change when I switch to the other twin. I think the worlds look great but I do find them a bit boring to wander around. I'll be more willing in a second run when I know where the story is going and am in no great rush to see it through again. But for now I'm a bit fed up of playing Remnant sudoku and fetching things for people. I have been quite lucky for glitches. Landing on Eos is my biggest one. It tends to go funny and take a while. My Ryder's head has twisted round a bit too far a few times as well.. I er, think she's possessed. I can cope with ugly though. Nothing game breaking has happened. But my two biggest complaints for this game - WHERE MY ALIENS AT? A whole new galaxy and that's it? That's all we get? There were, what at least 11 species in the Milky Way? Andromeda is seriously lacking. Especially as you brought the boring races with you as well. Yay. More Asari. Great. Just what I want. When is it the Elcors time to shine? Huh? HUH? AND STOP MAKING ME HOLD DOWN TRIANGLE FOR EVERYTHING (PS4 owner here) oh my days. Anyone have trouble talking to people in this game? Several times I've had to run around someone to get the talk prompt to show. I'm not going to have a triangle button left when I'm done with this game. |
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Post by fade9wayz on Mar 30, 2017 17:29:36 GMT
But my two biggest complaints for this game - WHERE MY ALIENS AT? A whole new galaxy and that's it? That's all we get? There were, what at least 11 species in the Milky Way? Andromeda is seriously lacking. Especially as you brought the boring races with you as well. Yay. More Asari. Great. Just what I want. When is it the Elcors time to shine? Huh? HUH? AND STOP MAKING ME HOLD DOWN TRIANGLE FOR EVERYTHING (PS4 owner here) oh my days. Anyone have trouble talking to people in this game? Several times I've had to run around someone to get the talk prompt to show. I'm not going to have a triangle button left when I'm done with this game. I think you forgot the events happening in this game are taking place in only a small portion of the Andromeda galaxy: the Heleus cluster. We settled in a remote, decaying suburb. So we only meet the locals, plus one of the exterior population trying to take the place for themselves.  Besides, some of us happen to like those races you call boring -shrugs- That may not be what you want, but others would have been disappointed in their absence. Tastes and colours, y'know? Yes, sometimes I do have to get around people to talk to them. Conversations don't start if you're not properly placed, it seems. I guess it's to avoid talking to their back. As for the triangle button, I can't relate, never owned a console but for a Megadrive back when I was 13 or something... Otherwise, I've had surprisingly few glitches or bugs on PC, nothing like what I see reported here and there. Actually, I really only have had one: for some reason, I can't complete the 'Missing scientists' side-quest on Voeld. I beat the Architect, but when I try to scan for traces of them, there's nothing to be scanned. The completionist in me is annoyed... |
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Post by ShadowAngel on Mar 30, 2017 17:37:21 GMT
I haven't finished it yet but have sunk in over 50 hours (I'm just before the final mission I think) I'd give it 7.5/10. If they ever stop the eyes from being so scarily white then I'll bump it up to 8 I'm enjoying it. I like the squad and really don't get all the hate for them - particularly the comparisons of Peebee to Sera. When I saw several reviews make that comparison I decided to give her a wide birth. Finished her loyalty mission yesterday and I don't see it. She is way easier for me to get on with. I'm also liking Ryder. I like that she's (playing as fem) so different to Shep in terms of experience. I don't want another war vet. I pick all the sarcastic options and Liam referred to her as kind of a jerk but if I can play as nice guy who drops terrible puns then that's damn well how I'm going to play. That won't change when I switch to the other twin. I think the worlds look great but I do find them a bit boring to wander around. I'll be more willing in a second run when I know where the story is going and am in no great rush to see it through again. But for now I'm a bit fed up of playing Remnant sudoku and fetching things for people. I have been quite lucky for glitches. Landing on Eos is my biggest one. It tends to go funny and take a while. My Ryder's head has twisted round a bit too far a few times as well.. I er, think she's possessed. I can cope with ugly though. Nothing game breaking has happened. But my two biggest complaints for this game - WHERE MY ALIENS AT? A whole new galaxy and that's it? That's all we get? There were, what at least 11 species in the Milky Way? Andromeda is seriously lacking. Especially as you brought the boring races with you as well. Yay. More Asari. Great. Just what I want. When is it the Elcors time to shine? Huh? HUH? AND STOP MAKING ME HOLD DOWN TRIANGLE FOR EVERYTHING (PS4 owner here) oh my days. Anyone have trouble talking to people in this game? Several times I've had to run around someone to get the talk prompt to show. I'm not going to have a triangle button left when I'm done with this game. I too was quite upset with there being so few new alien races, especially when were in an entirely new galaxy. I've seen the argument that we are only in one cluster of the galaxy so maybe more will come in sequels, but if they only add in two more races I'll be just as upset. i prefer the option of having to hold a button down, it pretty much makes it where you have to be sure you want to do something for an action as I've accidentally hit buttons in games before where a slight tap can trigger stuff you wasn't ready for. |
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Post by ryder911 on Mar 30, 2017 18:37:16 GMT
Don't get too hung up on reviews. Game is good. Definitely worth playing.
There are many below 80 games that I love more than most 90+ games.
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Post by suikoden on Mar 30, 2017 18:45:01 GMT
Don't get too hung up on reviews. Game is good. Definitely worth playing. There are many below 80 games that I love more than most 90+ games. I just tell people to try EA Access - easy to make a decision after ten hours. But can't just write off reviews - they're mediocre for maaaannnny reasons. Depends if you can overlook them or not. |
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Post by smilesja on Mar 30, 2017 18:49:01 GMT
Don't get too hung up on reviews. Game is good. Definitely worth playing. There are many below 80 games that I love more than most 90+ games. I just tell people to try EA Access - easy to make a decision after ten hours. But can't just write off reviews - they're mediocre for maaaannnny reasons. Depends if you can overlook them or not. Oh I can, I find them generally untrustworthy lately. |
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Post by colfoley on Mar 30, 2017 18:52:07 GMT
The whole MEA review process was the final nail in the coffin for my opinion of the professional review industry.
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Post by suikoden on Mar 30, 2017 19:01:36 GMT
The whole MEA review process was the final nail in the coffin for my opinion of the professional review industry. Well, they are professionals - you're just a casual gamer. I'd put it this way, would you trust critical reviews, or user scores? Is 73% more accurate what with all the bugs and subpar writing, or is 46% (user score) more accurate? |
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Post by kingmandu on Mar 30, 2017 19:02:29 GMT
The whole MEA review process was the final nail in the coffin for my opinion of the professional review industry. Same. Most of the big sites are filled with hacks and Metacritic as a system is so deeply flawed that it is a worthless measurement. There's a whole lot of "I don't like this so it's amateurish and it sucks" going around about Andromeda. I groaned reading a lot of reviews because they hammered on about things in this game that are just as prevalent in other more highly touted games. Breath of the Wild and Horizon may very well be wonderful games but they sure are loaded with "bad writing" and "fetch" quests as well. The technical problems are fair game but they certainly love to gloss over those in other big game reviews all the time. All you really need nowadays is to watch aome footage on Youtube or a stream to decide if you want to purchase that game. Games reviewers need to just die out already. |
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Post by sushidubya on Mar 30, 2017 19:04:58 GMT
I'd say it's fairly accurate. From a mainstream perspective it's a 7/10, I'd give an additional point like 8/10 because I'm a fan of sci-fi action rpgs, etc.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 30, 2017 19:17:46 GMT
The whole MEA review process was the final nail in the coffin for my opinion of the professional review industry. Well, they are professionals - you're just a casual gamer. I'd put it this way, would you trust critical reviews, or user scores? Is 73% more accurate what with all the bugs and subpar writing, or is 46% (user score) more accurate? I'd trust neither, the "professionals" haven't acting professional for the past couple of years. |
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