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Post by The Loyal Nub on Mar 20, 2017 17:59:27 GMT
What is actually going on? The reviews are not good, and people are thrashing the romance scenes on Youtube. WTF is going on? Even I, who actually criticizes Bioware a lot, don't think it's this bad. I don't even know in which thread I should post this.  Your guess is as good as mine. The reviews are either lukewarm to hostile (RPS) and yet people who are playing in early access and the youtube videos (let's plays) do not seem to show a game in as much trouble as the reviewers state. I've started to suspect that the knives are out because the critics caught the whiff of it being hip to hate BioWare and that there was a backlash to DAI. I couldn't figure out how DAI went from being a success to being spoken of as being worse than DA 2 (which it is no where near). I put it down to it just being hip right now to hate BioWare, love CDPR and Obsidian and when they roll out turkeys as they will eventually they pendulum will shift. It's also anti-EA hate despite Origin being so much less buggy and more intuitive than Steam (as is GOG) but try telling that to the hipsters. It's just too bad EA doesn't make a whole lot of games I would be interested in. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 18:01:14 GMT
What is actually going on? The reviews are not good, and people are thrashing the romance scenes on Youtube. WTF is going on? Even I, who actually criticizes Bioware a lot, don't think it's this bad. I don't even know in which thread I should post this. Your guess is as good as mine. The reviews are either lukewarm to hostile (RPS) and yet people who are playing in early access and the youtube videos (let's plays) do not seem to show a game in as much trouble as the reviewers state. I've started to suspect that the knives are out because the critics caught the whiff of it being hip to hate BioWare and that there was a backlash to DAI. I couldn't figure out how DAI went from being a success to being spoken of as being worse than DA 2 (which it is no where near). I put it down to it just being hip right now to hate BioWare, love CDPR and Obsidian and when they roll out turkeys as they will eventually they pendulum will shift. It's also anti-EA hate despite Origin being so much less buggy and more intuitive than Steam (as is GOG) but try telling that to the hipsters. It's just too bad EA doesn't make a whole lot of games I would be interested in. Yeah! Inquisition is my favorite Bioware game to date, I'm hoping Andromeda will change that. I still don't see how that game got the hate, it even won an GOTY award, didn't it? I don't worry for me, I worry for the company. If the shitstorm increases, it will definitely affect future Mass Effect games, maybe they'll even stop doing them. If this was the first Mass Effect game, I bet these reviews would be different. |
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Mar 20, 2017 18:04:35 GMT
Yeah! I don't worry for me, I worry for the company. If the shitstorm increases, it will definitely affect future Mass Effect games, maybe they'll even stop doing them. I doubt it. At worst the company will move the next game back to Edmonton and you might have to wait till the new IP is out before they resume work on a sequel or they might fire the writers and the animators. But BioWare has a loyal fanbase and people who are attracted to a certain kind of game. I personally like lonnnnngggg-assed open world exploratory games with romances so the Arstechnica review from today told me that this will be right up my alley. People who hate that sort of thing will gripe and are. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 20, 2017 18:06:04 GMT
For instance, OP, I didn't solely like Zelda Wind Waker based on its perfect reviews and actually my reasons for giving it my personal perfect review are completely different than the arguments I read in reviews. I formed my own review based on MY experience with it.
That said, reviews often paint my expectations one way or the other and if you expect a game to be really good based on hearesay you usually give it a chance even while it falters for a while before the disappointment locks in. With Andromeda I'm still hopeful that there are special moments just in atmosphere that make it memorable. It's already got some of it.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 20, 2017 18:12:08 GMT
If this was some franchise I knew little to nothing about from a developer I've never purchased products from before, I'd pause and wait for lots of feedback before I bother, but this is Mass Effect and I am thoroughly satisfied with Bio's body of work across ME and DA, so reviews ain't shit. Death, my PS4 exploding or learning that the game is MP only are the only things that could keep me from playing on day 1. I've learned to basically disregard anything that isn't related to the technical side of these particular games.
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Post by Eshaye on Mar 20, 2017 18:23:08 GMT
I don't ever listen to 'reviews'. Whether it's movies or video games because most of the time they hate what I love.
There are some sites and youtubers I will look at to get an idea of what I'm in for, but I don't let their opinions dictate my own.
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 20, 2017 18:27:24 GMT
I'm about 3 hours in and I just cannot understand why this game is getting hate. I really just don't. People saying the beginning is too long, takes too long to set up the story, facial animations bla bla,
It's just exaggerated.I'm loving this, the facial animations seriously don't bother me and I hardly notice anyway. What I have noticed is how intense Insanity is, jesus christ.
My biggest gripe with the game is Saving. I don't like what they've done with it but that's about it...
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 20, 2017 18:28:58 GMT
It's about not letting reviews decide whether or not you enjoy a game. They shouldn't be disregarded, no but in the end the most important opinion for you is your own. Thing is for broke people like me I need to know if $60 is really a good investment or not. Because for people like us $60 is a legitimate investment. |
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 20, 2017 18:30:07 GMT
I'm about 3 hours in and I just cannot understand why this game is getting hate. I really just don't. People saying the beginning is too long, takes too long to set up the story, facial animations bla bla, It's just exaggerated.I'm loving this, the facial animations seriously don't bother me and I hardly notice anyway. What I have noticed is how intense Insanity is, jesus christ. My biggest gripe with the game is Saving. I don't like what they've done with it but that's about it... That's actually a pretty major issue for me. Thanks for filling me in. |
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Post by aionis on Mar 20, 2017 18:30:59 GMT
What is actually going on? The reviews are not good, and people are thrashing the romance scenes on Youtube. WTF is going on? Even I, who actually criticizes Bioware a lot, don't think it's this bad. I don't even know in which thread I should post this. It's definitely a hate bandwagon going on right now and it's quite annoying a lot of them don't even touch on actual valid critiques Just yelling anti-sjw lines and the usual animation jokes |
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Post by ravenous on Mar 20, 2017 18:35:39 GMT
I'm about 3 hours in and I just cannot understand why this game is getting hate. I really just don't. People saying the beginning is too long, takes too long to set up the story, facial animations bla bla, It's just exaggerated.I'm loving this, the facial animations seriously don't bother me and I hardly notice anyway. What I have noticed is how intense Insanity is, jesus christ. My biggest gripe with the game is Saving. I don't like what they've done with it but that's about it... same here about the animations, it is so minor to me that I just don't notice it at all. I haven't tried insanity yet, waiting for the full game of course but when the full game comes out I am going to start with Insanity from the get go. Also agree with you about the story etc I to don't see anything wrong with it |
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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 20, 2017 18:37:05 GMT
Can anyone explain the logic behind this? Buy and play a game first before deciding if you should've bought it? That's what reviews are for, folks. Considering there are some sightly polarizing reviews with the negatives on performance and animations being reasonable to patch and fix within a month, I'd say purchasing the game if you really want it and then form your own review sounds fine. The are negative elements that affects some people more than others. I'm standing at an 8.7 right now for my review based everything I've seen and researched. I imagine I'll end up around an 8.3 overall. We'll see in a few weeks when I write my review. |
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 20, 2017 18:37:09 GMT
What is actually going on? The reviews are not good, and people are thrashing the romance scenes on Youtube. WTF is going on? Even I, who actually criticizes Bioware a lot, don't think it's this bad. I don't even know in which thread I should post this. It's definitely a hate bandwagon going on right now and it's quite annoying a lot of them don't even touch on actual valid critiques Just yelling anti-sjw lines and the usual animation jokes YouTube tends to be where the dregs and lowlifes of society gather. It is like a bad fungus that grows and mutates over time. Lowest common denominator and everything. When it comes to youtube and other easily accessible media expect derping. |
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Post by Missy Mako on Mar 20, 2017 19:10:56 GMT
What is actually going on? The reviews are not good, and people are thrashing the romance scenes on Youtube. WTF is going on? Even I, who actually criticizes Bioware a lot, don't think it's this bad. I don't even know in which thread I should post this. Your guess is as good as mine. The reviews are either lukewarm to hostile (RPS) and yet people who are playing in early access and the youtube videos (let's plays) do not seem to show a game in as much trouble as the reviewers state. I've started to suspect that the knives are out because the critics caught the whiff of it being hip to hate BioWare and that there was a backlash to DAI. I couldn't figure out how DAI went from being a success to being spoken of as being worse than DA 2 (which it is no where near). I put it down to it just being hip right now to hate BioWare, love CDPR and Obsidian and when they roll out turkeys as they will eventually they pendulum will shift. It's also anti-EA hate despite Origin being so much less buggy and more intuitive than Steam (as is GOG) but try telling that to the hipsters. It's just too bad EA doesn't make a whole lot of games I would be interested in. Part of me wonders if all the embargo stuff had an impact. People can say reviewers are supposed to be impartial to this stuff all you want, but they are still human. Having to deal with a contract saying you can't talk about it when the public can already play it through EA access, and streamers are already showing parts of it is going to impact a reviewers impressions toward the game and the developers/publishers. Plus, having whatever site you work for wanting your review to be out sooner than you'd like for a large game will cause you to rush through things and maybe not get the most enjoyable experience possible. I've been wondering if this is various larger media outlets way of protesting the lateish review copies, embargo and non-press early access; many of the smaller sites that seem to 'just be glad to have early access at all' look like they have more positive reviews. |
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Mar 20, 2017 19:17:35 GMT
Your guess is as good as mine.... Part of me wonders if all the embargo stuff had an impact. People can say reviewers are supposed to be impartial to this stuff all you want, but they are still human. Having to deal with a contract saying you can't talk about it when the public can already play it through EA access, and streamers are already showing parts of it is going to impact a reviewers impressions toward the game and the developers/publishers. Plus, whatever site you work for wants your review to be out sooner than you'd like for a large game will cause you to rush through things and maybe not get the most enjoyable experience possible. I've been wondering if this is various larger media outlets way of protesting the lateish review copies, embargo and non-press early access; many of the smaller sites that seem to 'just be glad to have early access at all' look like they have more positive reviews. Oh I would not be surprised if that had a great deal to do with it. I suspect that some of these reviewers get a little full of themselves and it irked them that they could only report on 10 hrs of the game last week and the same ten hours the gaming plebs had access too. I think that brought them down a notch or two and that might have fueled some of these kicks. One thing I am really getting sick of is this "Well if Zelda golden bollocks... and Horizon hadn't come out..." Yeah you know what? Means nothing to a PC gamer like myself. They may be great games but I wouldn't know. I don't have a console (although that's on the cards at some point in the next year). I can't compare MEA with those two games and it feels unfair to do so. I also don't think comparing it to Witcher 3 really is apt either. |
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 20, 2017 19:20:21 GMT
The whole point of reviews is to have others, who are much better at being critical, form an opinion about that game and then sell you on that opinion, so you don't have to.
Whether people care to admit it or not, reviews have a huge influence on sales. THere's a lot of people who will be put off of Andromeda purely because it didn't review well, despite those people (including myself) who have put dozens of hours into the game saying it's fine
We can't have it both ways.
WE can't rejoice when our favorite games are reviewed very well, and then discount reviews when our favorite games are reviewed poorly.
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Post by blueasari on Mar 20, 2017 19:37:03 GMT
What is there not to understand. Why would you let someone else decide if a game is worth playing? Everyone has different opinions, I have lost count of the number of times in the past when I did read reviews that were high, but when I played the game I thought they were terrible and vice versa.
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Post by Clockworkspectre on Mar 20, 2017 20:39:02 GMT
Can anyone explain the logic behind this? Buy and play a game first before deciding if you should've bought it? That's what reviews are for, folks. Considering how inaccurate, biased and stilted most reviews are these days, they just are not worth trusting. I also have a feeling a lot of youtubers and reviewers are just jumping on the hate bandwagon to get views. |
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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 20, 2017 20:42:51 GMT
The way I see it, since I don't have the money to buy every game that catches my interest, I look over many different reviews, from critics and users, and based on the pros and cons they list, I'll decide whether or not the cons are enough to make me not want to play the game or if the pros are enough to make me overlook the cons. I also look at various Let's Plays to get a better understanding of the gameplay.
So it all involves a balance. Don't outright dismiss all reviews because "Ugh, critics suck!" or because the reviewer said something you didn't like, but at the same time, don't go purely by reviews either since something that bothers them, might not necessarily bother you. Do your homework.
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 20, 2017 20:47:17 GMT
I'm about 3 hours in and I just cannot understand why this game is getting hate. I really just don't. People saying the beginning is too long, takes too long to set up the story, facial animations bla bla, It's just exaggerated.I'm loving this, the facial animations seriously don't bother me and I hardly notice anyway. What I have noticed is how intense Insanity is, jesus christ. My biggest gripe with the game is Saving. I don't like what they've done with it but that's about it... That's actually a pretty major issue for me. Thanks for filling me in. It is a very annoying feature that needs to be fixed. You cannot manual save. So you could have finished some dialogue and a few minutes later fight and die, which means you'll have to have that conversation all over again. It's funny how that reminds me of the 1st game for some reason lol |
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 20, 2017 20:50:38 GMT
I'm about 3 hours in and I just cannot understand why this game is getting hate. I really just don't. People saying the beginning is too long, takes too long to set up the story, facial animations bla bla, It's just exaggerated.I'm loving this, the facial animations seriously don't bother me and I hardly notice anyway. What I have noticed is how intense Insanity is, jesus christ. My biggest gripe with the game is Saving. I don't like what they've done with it but that's about it... same here about the animations, it is so minor to me that I just don't notice it at all. I haven't tried insanity yet, waiting for the full game of course but when the full game comes out I am going to start with Insanity from the get go. Also agree with you about the story etc I to don't see anything wrong with it Yep agreed it's such a minor thing. I wish it would improve, but its seriously nothing that would cause drastic drops in rating. Be prepared for Insanity, mostly because of the save game issue I'm having. It can be REALLY annoying and frustrating. Insanity so far doesn't have bullet sponge AI, they do lots of Damage quickly to you lol but it's not as if they take ages to destroy. The intelligence is also pretty decent as well which is great. This game could not have been any better in representing a NEW story. It's a much better version of ME1. And this is coming from someone that refused to buy ME3 because of the DLC Prothean deal. I'm happy with Bioware, so far, this is great. |
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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 20, 2017 20:52:21 GMT
That's actually a pretty major issue for me. Thanks for filling me in. It is a very annoying feature that needs to be fixed. You cannot manual save. So you could have finished some dialogue and a few minutes later fight and die, which means you'll have to have that conversation all over again. It's funny how that reminds me of the 1st game for some reason lol There's apparently a kind of work around for the saving issue, at least based upon the little that I've read about it. It's one in one of the pinned threads in the General Discussions section: bsn.boards.net/thread/5530/psa-save-priority-missions-workaround |
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Post by Cannibal on Mar 20, 2017 20:52:32 GMT
There's been enough videos that I can see the technical issues of this game and it's not stopping me from buying.
Reviewers provide opinions on story but many of these reviewers are the same sites that gave mass effect 3 glowing reviews and loves the ending, excuse me if I can't take them serious.
I'm a grown man with a job I can afford a 100 dollar game, don't need some kid to tell me not to buy it.
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Post by stupidmaniac on Mar 20, 2017 20:58:41 GMT
It is a very annoying feature that needs to be fixed. You cannot manual save. So you could have finished some dialogue and a few minutes later fight and die, which means you'll have to have that conversation all over again. It's funny how that reminds me of the 1st game for some reason lol There's apparently a kind of work around for the saving issue, at least based upon the little that I've read about it. It's one in one of the pinned threads in the General Discussions section: bsn.boards.net/thread/5530/psa-save-priority-missions-workaround Thanks friend  Any chance you could also help me changing my settings in game? I can only change the overall settings and not specific ones? |
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Post by Nayawk on Mar 20, 2017 21:29:25 GMT
I can see why reviews would be important to someone with a limited budget, but for me I'd rather find out if a game is crap or not first hand. I have loved games that were universally panned and hated games that got nothing but reviewer love so I won't trust someone else to tell me if a game is good or not.
Add to that the nature of the internet and the gamer community which has the unfortunate habit of turning into a giant echo chamber with the minority getting louder and louder like angry children and the fact most players don't seem to have the ability to give proper un-bias critical feedback I don't think I could trust reviews even if I wanted to.
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