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Post by bshep on Aug 18, 2017 5:52:56 GMT
Just realize something.. if the Angaran have the lifespan of 150+. Shouldn't their people knew of the Jardaan's existence? They're like three to four generation within the timeframe where Remnants are created. The jardaan seem to have set the stage for the angara, and then withdrew to watch from a distance. You'll recall that the historians on Havarl discussed the early days. The remnant machines were always present, but not hostile. The structures were present, but empty, as if waiting for the angara to occupy them. The jardaan left devices "half-built", as if to allow the angara to see how things were made. They readied the worlds, released the angara upon them, but seem to have made no direct contact. Remember that Zorai, Taavos' ancestor, seemingly learned to control some remnant tech by retaining her awareness while frozen in stasis by the jardaan. She watched them use their tech, and picked up a few tricks. So, they were present and watching, but not visibly so. I discovered something new to me, today. I'll admit that by the tenth time I've scanned a kett land vehicle, I'm likely not reading the text all that diligently. I did read one today that I'd never before noticed. One of Site 1's colonists got sucked into the air intake of a kett "truck". The presence of his DNA was noted by SAM. Bad way to go. Interesting i had forgotten that about Zorai. I would not be surprised if the Jardaan implanted memories in the first generation of Angara (the ones born in laboratory) to make them not question their origins and eventually they would pass along the stories to their children and so on. Anyway, without a reliable source we can't even be sure how long ago the Angara were created. Their story says they were already there thousands of years ago but how much of that is their own story instead of the Jardaan's is hard to tell. For instance some of Avela's museum artifacts seem to indicate a Jardaan origin like the statues on or the musical instrument found on Kadara.
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Post by antmarch456 on Aug 18, 2017 22:50:01 GMT
Finally got around to playing again, and I can't believe in Habitat 7 I missed the cave where you see a good-looking tree (I did explore the Remnant structure on my first playthrough though). Now I look super intelligent when talking to Alec Ryder about the planet
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Post by melbella on Aug 19, 2017 1:21:04 GMT
The jardaan seem to have set the stage for the angara, and then withdrew to watch from a distance. You'll recall that the historians on Havarl discussed the early days. The remnant machines were always present, but not hostile. The structures were present, but empty, as if waiting for the angara to occupy them. The jardaan left devices "half-built", as if to allow the angara to see how things were made. They readied the worlds, released the angara upon them, but seem to have made no direct contact. Remember that Zorai, Taavos' ancestor, seemingly learned to control some remnant tech by retaining her awareness while frozen in stasis by the jardaan. She watched them use their tech, and picked up a few tricks. So, they were present and watching, but not visibly so. I discovered something new to me, today. I'll admit that by the tenth time I've scanned a kett land vehicle, I'm likely not reading the text all that diligently. I did read one today that I'd never before noticed. One of Site 1's colonists got sucked into the air intake of a kett "truck". The presence of his DNA was noted by SAM. Bad way to go. Interesting i had forgotten that about Zorai. I would not be surprised if the Jardaan implanted memories in the first generation of Angara (the ones born in laboratory) to make them not question their origins and eventually they would pass along the stories to their children and so on. Anyway, without a reliable source we can't even be sure how long ago the Angara were created. Their story says they were already there thousands of years ago but how much of that is their own story instead of the Jardaan's is hard to tell. For instance some of Avela's museum artifacts seem to indicate a Jardaan origin like the statues on or the musical instrument found on Kadara.
This is an interesting point. The angara have their history but not a lot of it due to the Scourge, but what if not just they were created, but their entire history as well? And so, all this history that they think they "lost" they never really had to begin with?
We know that memories are transferable via things like the Zorai glove so maybe, as you say, the first angara were uploaded with a history of their species that never really happened but that they "remember" anyway and could pass on.
I still don't understand why the remnant structures on Habitat 7 are dated only a few hundred years old. The Scourge attacked remnant, so they had to be there already, and it's unlikely the Jaardan, however powerful, would have poofed them into existence only to have the Scourge destroy them right away. Meridian and the vaults were definitely long term projects, and developing the Scourge as a weapon probably took a good chunk of time as well.
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Post by bshep on Aug 19, 2017 3:49:44 GMT
Interesting i had forgotten that about Zorai. I would not be surprised if the Jardaan implanted memories in the first generation of Angara (the ones born in laboratory) to make them not question their origins and eventually they would pass along the stories to their children and so on. Anyway, without a reliable source we can't even be sure how long ago the Angara were created. Their story says they were already there thousands of years ago but how much of that is their own story instead of the Jardaan's is hard to tell. For instance some of Avela's museum artifacts seem to indicate a Jardaan origin like the statues on or the musical instrument found on Kadara.
This is an interesting point. The angara have their history but not a lot of it due to the Scourge, but what if not just they were created, but their entire history as well? And so, all this history that they think they "lost" they never really had to begin with?
We know that memories are transferable via things like the Zorai glove so maybe, as you say, the first angara were uploaded with a history of their species that never really happened but that they "remember" anyway and could pass on.
I still don't understand why the remnant structures on Habitat 7 are dated only a few hundred years old. The Scourge attacked remnant, so they had to be there already, and it's unlikely the Jaardan, however powerful, would have poofed them into existence only to have the Scourge destroy them right away. Meridian and the vaults were definitely long term projects, and developing the Scourge as a weapon probably took a good chunk of time as well.
I really can't see the Jardaan as some good aliens that were bringing life to those places. I get the feeling they are/were most likely assholes that care/cared more about their science project (whatever it was) than all the lives changed by it. Because from what the Milky Way people saw before they left all those habitats were life bearing worlds. They used that "free mass corridor" telescope that the Geth build using mass relays to watch those worlds without the 2.5 millions light years delay, and they done that 600 years ago while the remnant machinery on Habitat 7 is only 300-400 years old. So why were the Jardaan terraforming worlds that were already able to sustain complex life? On the Milky Way that would be considered pretty much a major crime. Whatever it was someone else decided that releasing a cluster wide "bomb" (The Scourge) was necessary tp stop it, which did end up whatever plans the Jardaan had while maimed and destroyed several worlds and the whole ecology that lived in them. I remember one world that housed a intelligent species which apparentely had gone extinct after the scourge and another where the whole life on the planet was restricted to a small series is rivers, most likely the last place still able to hold life on that planet. So that also makes me wonder who used the scourge? Where they also Jardaan or another species?
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 19, 2017 4:10:41 GMT
This is an interesting point. The angara have their history but not a lot of it due to the Scourge, but what if not just they were created, but their entire history as well? And so, all this history that they think they "lost" they never really had to begin with?
We know that memories are transferable via things like the Zorai glove so maybe, as you say, the first angara were uploaded with a history of their species that never really happened but that they "remember" anyway and could pass on.
I still don't understand why the remnant structures on Habitat 7 are dated only a few hundred years old. The Scourge attacked remnant, so they had to be there already, and it's unlikely the Jaardan, however powerful, would have poofed them into existence only to have the Scourge destroy them right away. Meridian and the vaults were definitely long term projects, and developing the Scourge as a weapon probably took a good chunk of time as well.
I really can't see the Jardaan as some good aliens that were bringing life to those places. I get the feeling they are/were most likely assholes that care/cared more about their science project (whatever it was) than all the lives changed by it. Because from what the Milky Way people saw before they left all those habitats were life bearing worlds. They used that "free mass corridor" telescope that the Geth build using mass relays to watch those worlds without the 2.5 millions light years delay, and they done that 600 years ago while the remnant machinery on Habitat 7 is only 300-400 years old. So why were the Jardaan terraforming worlds that were already able to sustain complex life? On the Milky Way that would be considered pretty much a major crime. Whatever it was someone else decided that releasing a cluster wide "bomb" (The Scourge) was necessary tp stop it, which did end up whatever plans the Jardaan had while maimed and destroyed several worlds and the whole ecology that lived in them. I remember one world that housed a intelligent species which apparentely had gone extinct after the scourge and another where the whole life on the planet was restricted to a small series is rivers, most likely the last place still able to hold life on that planet. So that also makes me wonder who used the scourge? Where they also Jardaan or another species? I'm going to share a theory concerning the jardaan and angara that I've had since the end of my first PT. I think it's possible that the angara are a version the jardaan specifically tailored to the worlds of the Heleus Cluster. Remember that angaran statue that we find? (I think you mention it above.) It looks just odd enough that Avela decides it is likely to be a deity, rather than an angara. That was the first thing that got me heading down this path. The memories embedded in tech, and possibly in DNA (we know this is a thing in ME), were another. What if the jardaan terraform worlds to be populated by tailor-made versions of their own species. Maybe they use planets that already bear life; or maybe not. Even if not, they're still screwing with the natural course of things. No new, original lifeforms can ever appear on these worlds if the jardaan are manipulating events. Perhaps this is the reason for the "opposition"? Maybe some within their society oppose this work? Alternatively, it could be opposition from a different species who were advanced enough to at least try to oppose them. If this line of thought proved true, it would make the jardaan at least somewhat similar to the kett. The kett destroy life by assimilating anyone and anything that they find useful. The jardaan would be destroying life preemptively, by steering events as they desire. As mentioned, they might even reform worlds that already bear some life. Who knows? I could be way off base with this speculation. We have little to go on. Still, I imagine they won't be approachable, understanding, benevolent beings, should we meet them. At the very least, they're far more advanced than we. We almost certainly won't interact as peers. It's possible that they won't appreciate our arrival in Heleus, nor our commandeering their network of technology.
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Post by bshep on Aug 19, 2017 4:25:33 GMT
I really can't see the Jardaan as some good aliens that were bringing life to those places. I get the feeling they are/were most likely assholes that care/cared more about their science project (whatever it was) than all the lives changed by it. Because from what the Milky Way people saw before they left all those habitats were life bearing worlds. They used that "free mass corridor" telescope that the Geth build using mass relays to watch those worlds without the 2.5 millions light years delay, and they done that 600 years ago while the remnant machinery on Habitat 7 is only 300-400 years old. So why were the Jardaan terraforming worlds that were already able to sustain complex life? On the Milky Way that would be considered pretty much a major crime. Whatever it was someone else decided that releasing a cluster wide "bomb" (The Scourge) was necessary tp stop it, which did end up whatever plans the Jardaan had while maimed and destroyed several worlds and the whole ecology that lived in them. I remember one world that housed a intelligent species which apparentely had gone extinct after the scourge and another where the whole life on the planet was restricted to a small series is rivers, most likely the last place still able to hold life on that planet. So that also makes me wonder who used the scourge? Where they also Jardaan or another species? I'm going to share a theory concerning the jardaan and angara that I've had since the end of my first PT. I think it's possible that the angara are a version the jardaan specifically tailored to the worlds of the Heleus Cluster. Remember that angaran statue that we find? (I think you mention it above.) It looks just odd enough that Avela decides it is likely to be a deity, rather than an angara. That was the first thing that got me heading down this path. The memories embedded in tech, and possibly in DNA (we know this is a thing in ME), were another. What if the jardaan terraform worlds to be populated by tailor-made versions of their own species. Maybe they use planets that ready bear life; or maybe not. Even if not, they're still screwing with the natural course of things. No new, original lifeforms can ever appear on these worlds if the jardaan are manipulating events. Perhaps this is the reason for the "opposition"? Maybe some within their society oppose this work? Alternatively, it could be opposition from a different species who were advanced enough to at least try to oppose them.If this line of thought proved true, it would make the jardaan at least somewhat similar to the kett. The kett destroy life by assimilating anyone and anything that they find useful. The jardaan would be destroying life preemptively, by steering events as they desire. As mentioned, they might even reform worlds that already bear some life. Who knows? I could be way off base with this speculation. We have little to go on. Still, I imagine they won't be approachable, understanding, benevolent beings, should we meet them. At the very least, they're far more advanced than we. We almost certainly won't interact as peers. It's possible that they won't appreciate our arrival in Heleus, nor our commandeering their network of technology. I was actually thinking something along those lines. A tailor made intelligent species in a tailor made environment, that would assure the best way to controll all variables if the Angara really were a big science projet (or part of it), similar to what the Reapers done in the Milky Way by letting intelligent life use their tech to evolve along the paths they predicted. There is even some evidence that the Angara were made to be "compatible" with Remnant tech. PeeBee sends Ryder a email saying that she tried to activate a piece of their tech using first a convencional power source (from the Tempest) and later biotics with Cora's help but neither attempts were sucessfull. Only when Jaal used his bioelectricity the rem-tech turned on.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 19, 2017 4:31:40 GMT
I'm going to share a theory concerning the jardaan and angara that I've had since the end of my first PT. I think it's possible that the angara are a version the jardaan specifically tailored to the worlds of the Heleus Cluster. Remember that angaran statue that we find? (I think you mention it above.) It looks just odd enough that Avela decides it is likely to be a deity, rather than an angara. That was the first thing that got me heading down this path. The memories embedded in tech, and possibly in DNA (we know this is a thing in ME), were another. What if the jardaan terraform worlds to be populated by tailor-made versions of their own species. Maybe they use planets that ready bear life; or maybe not. Even if not, they're still screwing with the natural course of things. No new, original lifeforms can ever appear on these worlds if the jardaan are manipulating events. Perhaps this is the reason for the "opposition"? Maybe some within their society oppose this work? Alternatively, it could be opposition from a different species who were advanced enough to at least try to oppose them.If this line of thought proved true, it would make the jardaan at least somewhat similar to the kett. The kett destroy life by assimilating anyone and anything that they find useful. The jardaan would be destroying life preemptively, by steering events as they desire. As mentioned, they might even reform worlds that already bear some life. Who knows? I could be way off base with this speculation. We have little to go on. Still, I imagine they won't be approachable, understanding, benevolent beings, should we meet them. At the very least, they're far more advanced than we. We almost certainly won't interact as peers. It's possible that they won't appreciate our arrival in Heleus, nor our commandeering their network of technology. I was actually thinking something along those lines. A tailor made intelligent species in a tailor made environment, that would assure the best way to controll all variables if the Angara really were a big science projet (or part of it), similar to what the Reapers done in the Milky Way by letting intelligent life use their tech to evolve along the paths they predicted. There is even some evidence that the Angara were made to be "compatible" with Remnant tech. PeeBee sends Ryder a email saying that she tried to activate a piece of their tech using first a convencional power source (from the Tempest) and later biotics with Cora's help but neither attempts were sucessfull. Only when Jaal used his bioelectricity the rem-tech turned on. Yeah, it's clear that the remnant tech was made for the angara. The questions are: Who are the jardaan? What's their relationship with the angara, if any, beyond being their creators? At the very least, it's possible that the angara have been created in the image of the jardaan, bearing a similar appearance. Are the jardaan advanced angara, after a fashion?
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Post by antmarch456 on Aug 19, 2017 4:42:52 GMT
I discovered the Remnant-equivalent of a library on the Eos Vault. Also can't believe I missed that, I thought I checked everywhere on my first playthrough.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 19, 2017 5:23:25 GMT
I discovered the Remnant-equivalent of a library on the Eos Vault. Also can't believe I missed that, I thought I checked everywhere on my first playthrough. It seems you're fitting in more exploration this PT. I imagine you were excitedly moving along, and also still learning the ropes, during your first PT.
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Post by dazk on Aug 22, 2017 5:18:19 GMT
So I have never picked this up before and just always wondered what the EOS Majordomo was talking about the super self-motivated Kett expert I sent to him. Can anyone confirm that he's actually talking about Bain Massani or am I misunderstanding? Cause if it is Bain that's pretty funny.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 22, 2017 6:06:27 GMT
So I have never picked this up before and just always wondered what the EOS Majordomo was talking about the super self-motivated Kett expert I sent to him. Can anyone confirm that he's actually talking about Bain Massani or am I misunderstanding? Cause if it is Bain that's pretty funny. Yes, he's referring to Bain. Massani apparently left a message to "come find him" with Bell-Scott; and he definitely proves to be "a hell of a self-motivator". I really like the major-domo. He's one of my favorite minor NPCs. His VA, backstory and quest-giver content all work really well. He feels very believable.
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Post by traks on Aug 22, 2017 11:51:43 GMT
That the remnant abyssal on Eladaan is not a remnant architect. I wondered after killing the architect how he could be seen flying around in the orbit and still be seen "swimming" in the sand on Eladaan only to learn that the one still on Eladaan is a whole different kind of beast.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 22, 2017 19:07:23 GMT
So I have never picked this up before and just always wondered what the EOS Majordomo was talking about the super self-motivated Kett expert I sent to him. Can anyone confirm that he's actually talking about Bain Massani or am I misunderstanding? Cause if it is Bain that's pretty funny. Yah, it's him. I didn't catch this conversation on my first playthrough, so I thought it was a new mission, since he said he would provide a nav-point to it. Then I realized it was Bain Massani all along.
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Post by Garo on Aug 24, 2017 18:24:37 GMT
There is one message found after ending in the Nexus saying that they keep trying to establish connection with Milky Way but with no results. REFUSEENDINGCANONMAYBE? Also I looooove that they showed us Ambassador Goyle in Alecs memories, she was soooooo my favorite character in Revelation book! I actually noticed it back when the game was released but maybe someone didn't notice
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Post by traks on Aug 25, 2017 17:08:43 GMT
Took the combo of Peebee and Drack for the first time together into the final missions. Discovered a glorious convo where they talk about how Peebee envisions the Jardaan to look like with Drack in the end saying: "So you think they look like radioactive volus?" That got me smiling in the midst of an exciting combat mission.
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Post by Garo on Aug 26, 2017 1:04:20 GMT
I just discovered how much I like end credits song in this game.
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Post by dazk on Aug 26, 2017 1:21:45 GMT
Took the combo of Peebee and Drack for the first time together into the final missions. Discovered a glorious convo where they talk about how Peebee envisions the Jardaan to look like with Drack in the end saying: "So you think they look like radioactive volus?" That got me smiling in the midst of an exciting combat mission. They are my favourite combo in the Nomad
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Post by dazk on Aug 26, 2017 1:22:47 GMT
I just discovered how much I like end credits song in this game. Thank god its not just me, I play this song at least once daily and never skip the credits till it finishes
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Post by cmoe on Aug 26, 2017 1:32:04 GMT
I just discovered how much I like end credits song in this game. I downloaded a copy from iTunes. I love it!
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Post by dazk on Aug 26, 2017 1:36:33 GMT
I just discovered how much I like end credits song in this game. I downloaded a copy from iTunes. I love it! I downloaded that and the music at the start of the game as well.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 26, 2017 11:33:20 GMT
I just discovered how much I like end credits song in this game. Ikr!At first I didn't payed attention, but after a few days the song stuck in my head. It's one song that I don't get bored of it. The artist is underrated though which is a shame, because she has a very good voice. And she's 18 years old.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 26, 2017 20:03:19 GMT
After seeing the scene at least a dozen times, I just noticed a writing error in the locker room before Habitat 7. SAM tells you to grab a sidearm by saying, "The Pathfinder will require a sidearm." Our protagonist is not yet the Pathfinder. I'd never noticed this flub, previously.
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Post by Curious Crow on Aug 26, 2017 20:13:14 GMT
After seeing the scene at least a dozen times, I just noticed a writing error in the locker room before Habitat 7. SAM tells you to grab a sidearm by saying, " The Pathfinder will require a sidearm." Our protagonist is not yet the Pathfinder. I'd never noticed this flub, previously. The subtitles say "The Pathfinder is now requiring sidearms." which I think is a legit way to say that someone else is requiring you to do something, but I could be wrong. Edited: It was also what I heard.
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Post by melbella on Aug 26, 2017 20:25:32 GMT
There are a few instances of the subtitles not matching what is actually spoken. Usually it's a word missing or added by the VA. In this case though, it gives the sentence a whole new meaning. Considering codex entries mention angara before you ever leave Eos the first time, I'm not surprised it was missed. Makes me glad I didn't bother reading most of them in my first game.
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Post by dazk on Aug 27, 2017 0:20:39 GMT
After seeing the scene at least a dozen times, I just noticed a writing error in the locker room before Habitat 7. SAM tells you to grab a sidearm by saying, " The Pathfinder will require a sidearm." Our protagonist is not yet the Pathfinder. I'd never noticed this flub, previously. Damn now I'll have to play the game one more time!!!!!!
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