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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2017 3:01:05 GMT
And speaking of ace-spectrum romance, I hope Bioware does research and considers feedback from actual people in ace-spectrum. Last thing we need is a fetishized ace-spectrum romance. Agreed. At least some devs seem to do this when writing a LGBT+ characters. The results may be mixed sometimes, but they always strive to do better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 3:02:47 GMT
Well after MEA I expect we'll be downgraded too (sexual content I mean. Not LI numbers. Jaal is the only sex scene we got in MEA. Scott got 3) lol and Sebastian is evil. Pure evil! We do not speak of him. Possibly, or due to fan backlash towards how MEA handled it there will be even more sexual content in future games(at least ME and DA, not sure if Anthem will even have romances). That's one thing that has me worried about what little options ace people have since they may go back to everybody has mandatory sex in the romance again. Correction. Scott got 2. I forgot for a moment that Vetra's is a bed scene, but it fades out and they both wear clothing. Not counting sexual orientation, Scott gets 3 sex scenes (fully nude) and Sara gets 2. The rest were fade-to-black or off-screen. They also should be a bit more original in the future. They took an animation from Cora and Scott's sex scene for Jaal and Sara in a non-sex scene, plus that whole PeeBee and Sara thing could have been fixed if they wanted. Edit: Also do not get me started on Reyes and that mess with him and Scott's animations.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2017 3:14:25 GMT
Possibly, or due to fan backlash towards how MEA handled it there will be even more sexual content in future games(at least ME and DA, not sure if Anthem will even have romances). That's one thing that has me worried about what little options ace people have since they may go back to everybody has mandatory sex in the romance again. Correction. Scott got 2. I forgot for a moment that Vetra's is a bed scene, but it fades out and they both wear clothing. Not counting sexual orientation, Scott gets 3 sex scenes (fully nude) and Sara gets 2. The rest were fade-to-black or off-screen. They also should be a bit more original in the future. They took an animation from Cora and Scott's sex scene for Jaal and Sara in a non-sex scene, plus that whole PeeBee and Sara thing could have been fixed if they wanted. Edit: Also do not get me started on Reyes and that mess with him and Scott's animations. Yeah, here is the distribution for the kind of sexual content in MEA: Explicit Mandatory Sex: Jaal, PeeBee Explicit Optional Sex: Cora Fade-to-Black Sex: Gil, Liam, Vetra Implicit Sex: Keri, Reyes, Suvi Non-sex: Avela(?)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 3:19:31 GMT
Correction. Scott got 2. I forgot for a moment that Vetra's is a bed scene, but it fades out and they both wear clothing. Not counting sexual orientation, Scott gets 3 sex scenes (fully nude) and Sara gets 2. The rest were fade-to-black or off-screen. They also should be a bit more original in the future. They took an animation from Cora and Scott's sex scene for Jaal and Sara in a non-sex scene, plus that whole PeeBee and Sara thing could have been fixed if they wanted. Edit: Also do not get me started on Reyes and that mess with him and Scott's animations. Yeah, here is the distribution for the kind of sexual content in MEA: Explicit Mandatory Sex: Jaal, PeeBee Explicit Optional Sex: Cora Fade-to-Black Sex: Gil, Liam, Vetra Implicit Sex: Keri, Reyes, Suvi Non-sex: Avela(?) By rights, all ME games from this day on should have 3 straight options, 3 lesbian options and 3 gay options with optional sex that IS optional.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 26, 2017 3:25:47 GMT
Yeah, here is the distribution for the kind of sexual content in MEA: Explicit Mandatory Sex: Jaal, PeeBee Explicit Optional Sex: Cora Fade-to-Black Sex: Gil, Liam, Vetra Implicit Sex: Keri, Reyes, Suvi Non-sex: Avela(?) By rights, all ME games from this day on should have 3 straight options, 3 lesbian options and 3 gay options with optional sex that IS optional. Well, maybe not 3 but f/f, f/m, m/f, m/m should all have at least 2 so there are options and the options for all four be equal in number, distribution, and amount of content. That way all four groups are equal. And yes, if they aren't going to have actual characters and romances of the ace spectrum at least have there be romances where those players can play romances in a way that supports them like having sex be optional and that route get equal content and be respected by the rest of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 3:29:05 GMT
By rights, all ME games from this day on should have 3 straight options, 3 lesbian options and 3 gay options with optional sex that IS optional. Well, maybe not 3 but f/f, f/m, m/f, m/m should all have at least 2 so there are options and the number for all four be equal in number, distribution, and amount of content. That way all four groups are equal. And yes, if they aren't going to have actual characters and romances of the ace spectrum at least have there be romances where those players can play romances in a way that supports them like having sex be optional and that route get equal content and be respected by the rest of the game. Yeah I like that! Yep! There's so many ways they could make things fun and replayable for everyone if they wanted to actually do it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 26, 2017 15:43:32 GMT
Some people are never happy. According to some pretty extensive studies between 91% and 98% of adult males identify as heterosexual depending on the country. Gay and bisexual men were massively over-represented in this game to begin with. Then BioWare added another one. And you are still complaining. They are under no obligation to include any gay romances. I want a half Japanese half black chick to bang. If I hold my breath and stamp my feet will BioWare add one in the next patch or does that only work if you're gay? The logical flaw you miss is that it's not exactly about percentages. Once the decision has been made to include single-sex romances, in order for those players to enjoy the game equally to others, there need to be a sufficient number of romances to be meaningful, otherwise, some can play the game less properly than others. The perennially useful example is that Left handed golfers don't get fewer golf clubs because there are less left-handed golfers. If you get to play the game, you should be able to play it equally. BioWare are not under any obligation to include any gay romances, or even any romances. but given that they feel it is appropriate to do so, m/m need to be of the same play standard as other orientations. Don't feel bad if you don't get it, I didn't until 2014 in the run up to DAI until other posters helped the penny to drop.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Jun 26, 2017 22:32:44 GMT
Some people are never happy. According to some pretty extensive studies between 91% and 98% of adult males identify as heterosexual depending on the country. Gay and bisexual men were massively over-represented in this game to begin with. Then BioWare added another one. And you are still complaining. They are under no obligation to include any gay romances. I want a half Japanese half black chick to bang. If I hold my breath and stamp my feet will BioWare add one in the next patch or does that only work if you're gay? I really need to address the gay percentage here first of all. Don't you find it strange how big the gap is? 91% to 98%, from 10% to the almost entirely straight population? I wouldn't be surprised if there's a country with 100% straight guys. Self reporting is not a good statistic, especially for something that is stigmatized. Statistic shows that the top five gay porn consumers: 1. Kenya 2. South Africa 3. Nigeria 4. Pakistan 5. India Countries where gays are being looked down upon or even criminalized. They could come out to say that they're gay or they're suppressing it from societal pressure. Second of all, I haven't seen a lot of people complaining about the number after Jaal was released. Some were disappointed that their options weren't the ones being improved upon, not about the number. This is where your argument about banging a Blacksian girl would fit. What you're referring to with your example is preference, what people asking for is quality. I actually see quite a few "internet activists" and gay people who are against Jaal being added and use straw arguments about how Suvi now need to be lesbian which totally ignored how Jaal was the only one who has no rejection line, so it was somewhat planned at some points for him to be bi, on top of the addition was being created to address the lack of gay quality options. It's not about quantity. It's about quality. I personally wouldn't complain if the gay players only have 2 options but those two options are of high quality. Let's supposed those two options were Jaal and Gil upon released. We would have Jaal who is story relevant to the game, has a unique face, and a squadmate on top of Gil who's another gay option for people who don't like Jaal. It would be like with Dragon Age Inquisition, I didn't like either Dorian or Iron Bull that much and ended up romancing Cassandra, but I didn't complain simply because I didn't like the options, but it was because of my preference, not because they offer me inferior options. With the current situation before Jaal, it was Gil, who has half the romance content of other options, and Reyes, who is also a non-companion that was made for females first before modified for males where Scott will stare at the ceiling while dancing due to Sara's height difference, kissing while sway his hip in a feminine manner, Vetra called you "Reyes' queen", then there is no confrontational scene between Gil and Reyes causing you to be able to romance both, and the lack of thoughts went into the trophy required you to romance 3 people when there are only 2 gay options, there was no sex scene, no unique faces, abrupt romance with Reyes having no resolution at the end and Gil has no contents update between missions like the other options. It wasn't the number that was the issue, it was the lack of attention and gay romance being an afterthought. It was the lack of quality. It was the separation but equal. Just because some groups are the minorities don't mean that they deserve to be treated with inferior service, they shouldn't deal with crappy school supplies, sit in the back of the bus just because someone was born that are deviated from the majority of society. I personally will stomp my feet alongside you if your options are inferior or not as numerous as the other groups, but they only patch it in because of the lack of contents for gay players, while you have 5 options, 3 squadmates, 2 options off-ship, one of the off-ship is exclusively straight. Adding a Blacksian wouldn't fix anything for you because what you demand is preference, just like with DAI for me where I didn't like Iron Bull and Dorian.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 3, 2017 2:41:43 GMT
It's just a game.
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Post by lothar on Jul 6, 2017 5:39:26 GMT
By rights, all ME games from this day on should have 3 straight options, 3 lesbian options and 3 gay options with optional sex that IS optional. It's not how ME is done. Who actually chose Cortez over Kaidan? Cortez was an option for the sake of having options, clearly inferior in every way. I would trade Gil and Reyes for a gay squad member anyday. That's the real issue with gay romance in ME.
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Post by tacsear on Jul 6, 2017 23:22:32 GMT
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 6, 2017 23:30:19 GMT
By rights, all ME games from this day on should have 3 straight options, 3 lesbian options and 3 gay options with optional sex that IS optional. It's not how ME is done. Who actually chose Cortez over Kaidan? Cortez was an option for the sake of having options, clearly inferior in every way. I would trade Gil and Reyes for a gay squad member anyday. That's the real issue with gay romance in ME.
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Post by broderishawt on Aug 17, 2017 19:37:31 GMT
I don't think bioware hates gay men at all. If that were true I don't think they would have made gil and reyes so good looking. But I do agree that we (gay men) got the short end of the stick initially, then they listened and fixed it.
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Post by tacsear on Aug 26, 2017 20:37:28 GMT
By rights, all ME games from this day on should have 3 straight options, 3 lesbian options and 3 gay options with optional sex that IS optional. It's not how ME is done. Who actually chose Cortez over Kaidan? Cortez was an option for the sake of having options, clearly inferior in every way. I would trade Gil and Reyes for a gay squad member anyday. That's the real issue with gay romance in ME. Who actually chose Cortez OR Kaidan?
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Post by Salty Drell on Aug 27, 2017 1:36:44 GMT
It's not how ME is done. Who actually chose Cortez over Kaidan? Cortez was an option for the sake of having options, clearly inferior in every way. I would trade Gil and Reyes for a gay squad member anyday. That's the real issue with gay romance in ME. Who actually chose Cortez OR Kaidan? Gay and bi men.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Aug 27, 2017 2:09:34 GMT
It's not how ME is done. Who actually chose Cortez over Kaidan? Cortez was an option for the sake of having options, clearly inferior in every way. I would trade Gil and Reyes for a gay squad member anyday. That's the real issue with gay romance in ME. Who actually chose Cortez OR Kaidan?
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Post by tacsear on Aug 27, 2017 4:52:58 GMT
Who actually chose Cortez OR Kaidan? Gay and bi men. Did you mean: Gay or bi men who are interested in boring men
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Post by Salty Drell on Aug 27, 2017 17:09:57 GMT
Did you mean: Gay or bi men who are interested in boring men Those are the only two choices in the OT. So it's one of them or nobody for m/m players in the OT.
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Post by sil on Aug 27, 2017 17:49:49 GMT
There should just be playersexual romances, perhaps with the option of turning off certain romances in the settings, so that everyone can romance who they like. It's the best way to solve the issue, as it represents the broadest possible demographic while allowing people who don't want certain romances in their save to be able to avoid them. Enough time is spent making romances, I don't want them to keep adding loads and loads more romance content for only players of a specific sexuality to see. I wanted Scott to romance Suvi but that was restricted, and I know of many femShep players who wanted to see Miranda or Tali as romance options, so all these restrictions have done is stop people playing the game the way they want. Remember, this is a game, and isn't meant to be some kind of reality simulator.
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