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Post by flog61 on Mar 20, 2017 23:15:56 GMT
As many of you are now aware, with the Prima guide out, we now know the romance distribution for Mass Effect Andromeda. Straight men have 5 options, including 3 squadmates. Gay women have 4, possibly 5, including 2 squadmates. Straight women have 3, including 2 squadmates. Gay men have 2, including 0 squadmates. My (and many others') concerns are threefold: 1. There is evidence in the code that Jaal was originally coded as bisexual, but this was then disabled. The fact that gay men are the only group without any squadmate option is very disappointing, as we have constantly had the fewest options across the mass effect franchise. That one was originally coded as such and this was then changed is a slap in the face. In addition, that Aaryn Flynn has said the team was very 'satisfied' with the balance, when it is so inclined against gay male players, is troublesome. 2. Regardless of this imbalance, this means that, if you play as a gay man, you are unable to receive an achievement/trophy, 'Matchmaker', requiring the completion of three different romances. This is not acceptable. Preventing people's access to achievements due to the choice of their character's sexuality is not okay, and not becoming of Bioware. 3. The fact that Bioware painstakingly and meticulously animated sexual scenes for straight and lesbian pairings, but have only 'fades to black' for gay male pairings, is concerning. Beyond this, gay male kisses in the game are, unlike those of other romances, often covered with hands, arms, or by the angle of the shot, as if either they could not bear to animate it, or wished to hide it from the screen. You can make your concerns known, and the only way this will improve (clearly, as it has got *worse* since Mass Effect 3) is by speaking out. Send (RESPECTFUL) tweets and raise complaints at help.ea.com/en/mass-effect/mass-effect-andromeda/ (you can speak directly to someone from EA through text or voice with minimal delay). We need to unite and make our voices heard, because they aren't listening very hard for them. The next Mass Effect will include fairer treatment for gay men, but only if we make it clear that this is not acceptable. Thanks, and remember to be respectful to the developers when raising your complaints.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 20, 2017 23:20:55 GMT
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's quite jarring how m/m romance is treated compared to others.
Btw, should this go to the spoiler section?
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Post by flog61 on Mar 20, 2017 23:22:42 GMT
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's quite jarring how m/m romance is treated compared to others. Btw, should this go to the spoiler section? It doesn't have any story spoilers and such and most of the character threads here have spoilers about orientation so I think it should be fine?
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Post by Kian on Mar 20, 2017 23:28:25 GMT
You can see how much they care about this and how much they probably hope it will go away without them even touching the subject, by looking at twitter or the twitter thread. All sunshine and patting themselves on the back.
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Mar 20, 2017 23:31:00 GMT
lol who fucking cares
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 20, 2017 23:31:08 GMT
I'm having trouble finding where to voice my complaint in the page you linked to.
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Post by Ceoldoren on Mar 20, 2017 23:31:24 GMT
Ugh. Ughhhhhhh. UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGH
That is all.
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Post by Lorn on Mar 20, 2017 23:32:28 GMT
You can see how much they care about this and how much they probably hope it will go away without them even touching the subject, by looking at twitter or the twitter thread. All sunshine and patting themselves on the back. And you wonder why they shut the forum down. It's clear BioWare hates the gays and loves lesbomancy.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 20, 2017 23:33:53 GMT
TIL a 2/4/4/3 spread is a massive downgrade from a 2/4/4/2 spread.
I vote they delete Vetra from the f/f romances to restore balance.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 20, 2017 23:34:54 GMT
TIL a 2/4/4/3 spread is a massive downgrade from a 2/4/4/2 spread. I vote they delete Vetra from the f/f romances to restore balance. It's actually 2/5/5/3.
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Post by flog61 on Mar 20, 2017 23:35:01 GMT
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Post by Vall on Mar 20, 2017 23:35:11 GMT
To be completely fair, m/m romances are not the only ones with fade to black, Vetra romance has it too.
But I agree with you that the balance is unfair and I can't help but wonder why m/m Jaal was disabled (also read that there were already lines recorded for it?)
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Post by flog61 on Mar 20, 2017 23:36:40 GMT
TIL a 2/4/4/3 spread is a massive downgrade from a 2/4/4/2 spread. I vote they delete Vetra from the f/f romances to restore balance. Did you read the thread? Firstly, it's 5/4/3/2. Secondly, all orientations other than gay men have at least 2 options on the squad. One of the m/m options is a fling on a planet, the other is a crewmate. Thirdly romance scenes are handled differently. Fourthly, having only two options means you cannot get an achievement if you play as a gay man.
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Post by Vall on Mar 20, 2017 23:36:41 GMT
TIL a 2/4/4/3 spread is a massive downgrade from a 2/4/4/2 spread. I vote they delete Vetra from the f/f romances to restore balance. Unless you're being sarcastic, screw you!
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 20, 2017 23:37:04 GMT
TIL a 2/4/4/3 spread is a massive downgrade from a 2/4/4/2 spread. I vote they delete Vetra from the f/f romances to restore balance. Unless you're being sarcastic, screw you! I am lol God Bless Vetra.
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Post by flog61 on Mar 20, 2017 23:37:40 GMT
To be completely fair, m/m romances are not the only ones with fade to black, Vetra romance has it too. But I agree with you that the balance is unfair and I can't help but wonder why m/m Jaal was disabled (also read that there were already lines recorded for it?) They aren't the only ones, but they're the only orientation where no sex scene was made, and where most kisses are hidden.
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Post by Vall on Mar 20, 2017 23:38:22 GMT
Unless you're being sarcastic, screw you! I am lol God Bless Vetra. Then it's fine Sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet *nods*
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Post by Lorn on Mar 20, 2017 23:41:44 GMT
Did I miss the memo that states that lesbians aren't gay?
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Post by Ark on Mar 20, 2017 23:42:48 GMT
Did I miss the memo that states that lesbians aren't gay? Just the one that states "Scott" was a male
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Mar 20, 2017 23:43:17 GMT
As many of you are now aware, with the Prima guide out, we now know the romance distribution for Mass Effect Andromeda. Straight men have 5 options, including 3 squadmates. Gay women have 4, possibly 5, including 2 squadmates. Straight women have 3, including 2 squadmates. Gay men have 2, including 0 squadmates. My (and many others') concerns are threefold: 1. There is evidence in the code that Jaal was originally coded as bisexual, but this was then disabled. The fact that gay men are the only group without any squadmate option is very disappointing, as we have constantly had the fewest options across the mass effect franchise. That one was originally coded as such and this was then changed is a slap in the face. In addition, that Aaryn Flynn has said the team was very 'satisfied' with the balance, when it is so inclined against gay male players, is troublesome. 2. Regardless of this imbalance, this means that, if you play as a gay man, you are unable to receive an achievement/trophy, 'Matchmaker', requiring the completion of three different romances. This is not acceptable. Preventing people's access to achievements due to the choice of their character's sexuality is not okay, and not becoming of Bioware. 3. The fact that Bioware painstakingly and meticulously animated sexual scenes for straight and lesbian pairings, but have only 'fades to black' for gay male pairings, is concerning. Beyond this, gay male kisses in the game are, unlike those of other romances, often covered with hands, arms, or by the angle of the shot, as if either they could not bear to animate it, or wished to hide it from the screen. You can make your concerns known, and the only way this will improve (clearly, as it has got *worse* since Mass Effect 3) is by speaking out. Send (RESPECTFUL) tweets and raise complaints at help.ea.com/en/mass-effect/mass-effect-andromeda/ (you can speak directly to someone from EA through text or voice with minimal delay). We need to unite and make our voices heard, because they aren't listening very hard for them. The next Mass Effect will include fairer treatment for gay men, but only if we make it clear that this is not acceptable. Thanks, and remember to be respectful to the developers when raising your complaints. What the hell, Bioware?You claim to be inclusive, yet consistently shaft the same people. For no good reason. Don't give me that crap about "making sense". Show, don't tell, Bioware. Show us how inclusive you are, because I for one cannot take your words seriously anymore. Absolutely pathetic. Pathetic treatment of players. And you have the gall to applaud yourselves for being "progressive". And worst of all, you say you're "satisfied" with the distribution of options. You make flimsy excuses about "realism" so you can have extremely uneven numbers in straight Scott's favour, and maybe some lesbian stuff because it's "hawt". You put huge effort into animating explicit sex scenes with female nudity, but don't give male options the same treatment? I think we all know why. I don't freaking care if it makes you uncomfortable. Deal with it. I want some consistency, some equality. I'm not even a fan of explicit scenes, but that doesn't matter. What matters is that it's the same for everyone, explicit or not. I didn't want this to happen. Today is a very sad day. Once more unto the breach, I suppose. I'm with you. To the end of the line.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 20, 2017 23:44:24 GMT
That summed things up more neatly than I could, though it doesn't touch on the "has to make sense" debacle and the implications that somehow a character not being straight has to be a core part of who they are rather than just simply how they swing.
Edit: And seriously, what is with the bi Jaal code and when did they switch course? Also I wonder if they have been ordered not to talk about this on Twitter.
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Post by Dirk on Mar 20, 2017 23:44:28 GMT
Thank the Maker for the blocking feature on the board.
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Post by flog61 on Mar 20, 2017 23:45:09 GMT
Did I miss the memo that states that lesbians aren't gay? I specified that the thread was about gay Scott in the title and several times in the actual thread..
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Post by ToLazy4Name on Mar 20, 2017 23:46:01 GMT
Thank the Maker for the blocking feature on the board. dude ikr now I can just block anyone who says something I don't like it's great
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