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Post by laeydin on Mar 21, 2017 0:43:35 GMT
I'm not happy about all the problems it's caused to Bioware, but rather the potentially positive outcome to them.
It's always felt like Bioware cut corners when it came to animation quality in their games, and the problems that existed clearly weren't a priority - A lot of the graphical errors, and faulty animations that bothered me Dragon Age inquisition, were conveniently pointed out as problems in Andromeda. From the unflattering male animation rigs female characters use, to the bizarre and unnatural expressions they sometimes make during conversation.
I'm hoping all the lashback over these problems will mean they're pay extra attention to these details in Dragon Age 4, address the problems, and release a well-polished game.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 21, 2017 0:54:33 GMT
is this evalion?
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Post by wickedcool on Mar 21, 2017 12:40:51 GMT
Im not. Lots of negatives/low sales could finish off secret ip and da4. They are the same bioware
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Post by Marduk on Mar 21, 2017 14:18:32 GMT
They may also fix the issue by announcing Mass Effect Go for Android/iOS (if they didn't already) with no cutscenes. you start with some free fuel but once it runs out you to have pay for it with real money xD
Andromeda may sell on fame alone but we are not even sure if Bioware teams care much about improvements at this point sadly. for the record the team behind Inquisition did address at least some issues from the past, but some focused on flaws only. as for EA if they take an action then it may involve all Bioware teams, with Monteal being closest to the danger zone.
Also they may go back on their word regarding remasters and release one which i guess for some counts as a positive.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 21, 2017 19:51:48 GMT
I wouldn't say I'm "glad" it happened to Andromeda, but I am glad the points are being pointed out? Though, I dunno, it feels from what I've played of both games that the problems are actually more prevalent in MEA than DAI. So, like, I'm glad this likely means they won't get any worse with the next installment, at least.
And really, I'm able to enjoy the game while ignoring the animation issues.
And I've actually noticed that collision (I think that's the term) between character models is much improved from DAI, so now, when characters touch each other, it actually looks more like they are actually touching each other. Like when the Doctor is examining Ryder's face/throat in the first few minutes, for example. So there's positives here too.
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Post by Kantr on Mar 22, 2017 6:43:02 GMT
They really did not learn their lessons from DA:I with regards to the CC. Aaryn said he liked it but it's really really limiting though.
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Post by pensieve on Mar 22, 2017 8:04:01 GMT
A lot of people complained about DAI and then they came up with Andromeda. I don't see how this is reassuring.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Mar 22, 2017 18:45:23 GMT
What happened to Andromeda?MMm i need to inform myself.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 22, 2017 20:38:23 GMT
I'm both happy and saddened by the negative reactions to Andromeda. Saddened because it's the flagship series for Bioware and it doesn't help the company's financial fortunes, but happy because Dragon Age has always been regarded as the redheaded stepchild of the Bioware family and this might result in a little more allocation of resources for DA.
"Hmm," muses the EA exec, "perhaps we should move up that DA sequel from 2027 and hold off on those three Mass Effect sequels over the next decade. Clearly a little polish is needed."
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 22, 2017 21:24:28 GMT
You know there are positive reviews out there for Andromeda as well. Most people mention the poor facials but for a lot of people there are other positive things that are more important. I'm waiting on the reaction from my co-workers. Turns out that we've decent Dragon Age and Mass Effect fan club going on and I trust their judgement on this. I nearly went ahead and bought Andromeda, only to remember to check at the last moment if my PC was up to it. Apparently it isn't, which is a touch disappointing and I'm not about to upgrade just yet; I thought I'd wait until I discovered what the system spec was going to be for DA4 first. Still if that isn't for another year or more. Has anyone run Andromeda on less than the minimum spec?
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Mar 22, 2017 23:16:08 GMT
One thing I know for sure, the world and flavour of DA will at least remain mainly consistent.
I'm rejecting MEA as a ME title because I'm not getting any ME vibes; it's a pretender. I'm also rejecting any lore / object pertaining to MET because the dialogue reference to it just sound stupid / off putting / illogical / it's there for the sake of connection. I'm treating it as a generic action RPG space colonization game with nice ships, planets, aliens, odd chars and stuffed full of clones. *Hi Lexi clone* for the umpteenth time. I can't bear to look at the chars / NPCs any more during dialogues ; I just focus on / skim over the subtitles. *yeah whatever, you want ABC done. Ok fine, cut the chatter. Bye*
What do I like about it. Combat and planetary environments that remind me of the rich beautiful zones of DAI.
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Post by talyn82 on Mar 23, 2017 1:02:20 GMT
but happy because Dragon Age has always been regarded as the redheaded stepchild of the Bioware family and this might result in a little more allocation of resources for DA. "Hmm," muses the EA exec, "perhaps we should move up that DA sequel from 2027 and hold off on those three Mass Effect sequels over the next decade. Clearly a little polish is needed." That's funny, since I never got into the ME series and prefer DA I've always seen it the other way around, at least in my opinion. Even though sadly I know your right.
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Post by Marduk on Mar 23, 2017 5:00:57 GMT
but happy because Dragon Age has always been regarded as the redheaded stepchild of the Bioware family and this might result in a little more allocation of resources for DA. "Hmm," muses the EA exec, "perhaps we should move up that DA sequel from 2027 and hold off on those three Mass Effect sequels over the next decade. Clearly a little polish is needed." That's funny, since I never got into the ME series and prefer DA I've always seen it the other way around, at least in my opinion. Even though sadly I know your right. Well regardless of their success with Sci-fi games, Baldur's Gate was THE product that put them on the map and Dragon Age Origins as its successor is the last AAA Computer RPG. perhaps CDPR's Witcher 2 also barely counts as one (it was epic but already more console oriented compared to the prequel even though it came out for PC first). So it would be fitting for them to get back on their feet as a company with Dragon Age 4 and the potential is really there (specially with Patrick Weekes) but who knows if EAWare cares enough at this point. Origins had a good enough combat imo but it won't work well on consoles i suppose so i wish they mix what they had with some Dragon Dogma elements.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 24, 2017 5:01:38 GMT
You know there are positive reviews out there for Andromeda as well. Most people mention the poor facials but for a lot of people there are other positive things that are more important. I'm waiting on the reaction from my co-workers. Turns out that we've decent Dragon Age and Mass Effect fan club going on and I trust their judgement on this. I nearly went ahead and bought Andromeda, only to remember to check at the last moment if my PC was up to it. Apparently it isn't, which is a touch disappointing and I'm not about to upgrade just yet; I thought I'd wait until I discovered what the system spec was going to be for DA4 first. Still if that isn't for another year or more. Has anyone run Andromeda on less than the minimum spec? I don't have less than minimum specs, but I do have less than recommended. The auto-detect set my settings on medium. *However*, if I turn light effects to low, I can run EVERYTHING else on ultra high at a decent 40ish FPS. I could run DAI on max at 60 FPS with the same rig to give you an idea. So there's a good deal of wiggle room, IMO. Biggest issue is prolly the amount of ram you have available in regards to whether you can run it at all. I have 8 GB. But, imo, if you could run DAI (which I know you could) you can probably run this game. And might be able to get some decent graphics out of it, depending on how you mess with the settings.
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Post by disi on Mar 24, 2017 9:51:48 GMT
I got the backplate to fit the waterblock to my new CPU only Wednesday, since then I reinstalled Windows, run stresstests, check for leaks and so on. Yesterday evening I started downloading DAI Since I went a bit further with the last playthrough, I kind of miss it. Not the romance to Cassandra, which I find somewhat stupid and fade (do you want to spend time together...). The Frostback Basin, then running around, the hitting stuff with a greatsword, reading some interesting texts. It will also be interesting what further path my inquisitor chooses. Is he a true believer, will he pretend to be holy, does he believe to be holy...? What happens to the chantry? In DA:O I loved the story about the warden, especially Morrigans part in it and Isolde when I killed Connor (or that I could kill him in the first place). In DA:2 I like the combat as fighter, it feels cool to bump into enemies with a greatsword. The conflict between mages and templar with Hawke in the middle. In DA:I I like the movement and how you can freely jump onto anything, very fluent. Here it is more fun to run around in the world, find texts and read about some small folk and their struggles. It feels good to close rifts, but the main story and this distant Coryphyfus.. pfus..shite is not so interesting (apart from him being dead, since Hawke killed him). You only see him briefly in Haven and then don't hear anything for roughly 90-100h gameplay while you clear the regions, help your companions and do other content, I don't know the ending or if I meet him in person again (yet). The bards and music in the tavern are brilliant, I often just stop and listen! The politics are also interesting, though the wardens have some sad role. If they ever make such a game again... Forget the worldmap. Make one huge continent ala Skyrim. Make it so you get quests by talking to people, finding stuff, entering regions, being attacked at random. Not always the same quest from the same person. Automated generic content, you do not need to handcraft a sidequest to kill bears. Even the VO can be generic for that like thanks for killing the beasts (beasts can be anything). Use good automated generic animation for everyone in the game, rather than trying to make something special and fail. Within all this automated generic content, hide some really cool handcrafted quests with brilliant story. Including a main story you may just stumble upon by exploring the world (it should feel that way, but of course you want the player to start it).
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Post by laeydin on Mar 28, 2017 20:21:11 GMT
A lot of people complained about DAI and then they came up with Andromeda. I don't see how this is reassuring. Eh, I'm a real stickler when it comes to animation in games. I think it's imperative for the sake of immersion, especially regarding RPGs that revolve heavily around dialogue and character development. When I played Dragon Age Inquisition, there were some faults but nothing that stuck out as badly as Andromeda's. That and the Character creation in Inquisition is pretty amazing, so I feel like it had a lot more going for it, that the occasional animation error is easy to overlook. Andromeda's character creation is severely limiting, in addition to the majority of cutscenes looking horrendous.
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Post by laeydin on Mar 28, 2017 20:24:20 GMT
You know there are positive reviews out there for Andromeda as well. Most people mention the poor facials but for a lot of people there are other positive things that are more important. I'm waiting on the reaction from my co-workers. Turns out that we've decent Dragon Age and Mass Effect fan club going on and I trust their judgement on this. I nearly went ahead and bought Andromeda, only to remember to check at the last moment if my PC was up to it. Apparently it isn't, which is a touch disappointing and I'm not about to upgrade just yet; I thought I'd wait until I discovered what the system spec was going to be for DA4 first. Still if that isn't for another year or more. Has anyone run Andromeda on less than the minimum spec? People play games for very different reasons. Some are satisfied with compelling combat, and beautiful landscapes etc (Which is certainly something Andromeda has going for it!) but in terms of story? It's very lackluster, especially in comparison to Dragon Age. If you're not turned off by the bad voice acting, and shambled story, you're bound to be turned off by the eyesore animations. So it's really up to what you're looking for in a game.
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Post by Reznore on Mar 29, 2017 3:11:53 GMT
The animations are the least of MEA issues imho. It surely doesn't help but MEA is simply boring and this is far worst for a company who claims they are all about storytelling and mostly ace at it by toying with people's emotions.
We're at a point where Bioware is mostly ticking boxes when they make games (open world, a 100+ hour game, moar romances, moar companions interraction etc etc), and it's starting to show. DAI ended on a good note with Trespasser and I always prefered DA to ME hands down. But like I said above the ticking boxes, lack of cohesive vision(which now plagues MEA as well) and the fear of taking narrative risks is slowly taking its toll.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 29, 2017 5:17:47 GMT
The animations are the least of MEA issues imho. It surely doesn't help but MEA is simply boring and this is far worst for a company who claims they are all about storytelling and mostly ace at it by toying with people's emotions. We're at a point where Bioware is mostly ticking boxes when they make games (open world, a 100+ hour game, moar romances, moar companions interraction etc etc), and it's starting to show. DAI ended on a good note with Trespasser and I always prefered DA to ME hands down. But like I said above the ticking boxes, lack of cohesive vision(which now plagues MEA as well) and the fear of taking narrative risks is slowly taking its toll. After the ending, I'm not surprised that Bioware is playing it safe. That being said, am I the only one who likes ME: A? Or is it becoming like hatefest like Youtube?
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 29, 2017 5:19:40 GMT
I still see quite a lot of love for it on Twitter.
Part of it is the hatedom that's always existed for Bioware.
Part of it is the escalating expectations of gamers in general.
Part of it is the nature of the Internet; even if a minority of people have issues with this or that, they have an online megaphone to amplify their grievances.
Part of it is this really toxic culture war that seems to envelop all of gaming these days. Depending on who you talk to, MEA is either the worst game ever for not having enough gay romance content or for having any gay romance content at all.
And the last part of it is the actual flaws of the game, which do exist.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 29, 2017 5:21:47 GMT
Ehhh..... I'm seeing a lot of hate, especially from Youtube.
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Post by thats1evildude on Mar 29, 2017 5:31:48 GMT
Ehhh..... I'm seeing a lot of hate, especially from Youtube. Well, YouTube is a fucking snake pit.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Mar 29, 2017 6:34:15 GMT
I finished the game. This is imo.
MEA can't assume the mantle of its predecessor. Everything that made MET what it is, is not in MEA. Story tapestry, characters, writing. They're not vibrant nor intriguing nor challenging nor practical. What MEA did well is the varied dynamic environments, exploration, combat and craft system.
If they want to do a sequel, they need to get better writers and someone (story director) more discerning / creative / logical with the fabric of story weaving.
If you want to know how it was with me; I didn't bother to read datapads, I read subtitles when it come to dialogues. I hardly pay attention to the companions when they talk. 75% into the game, I want to get it all over with; I don't care what the companions want but I do their stuff to kick it out of the way. It's become a mindless task than a genuine interest to know more about them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 13:17:08 GMT
First, allow me to say that Me:a reminds me the most of SWTOR in ME verse, and I welcome that. If DA moves to the same direction instead of keeping with what Inquisition had, I'd be happy. I absolutely love playing Andromeda. I can't really convey it how much I enjoy it after Inquisition.
I prefer the trade off of the flatter eyes for the terrifying shiny skin, plastered eyelashes and I'd rather go bald hair in Inquisition. I also like the more realistic and ethically variable faces in Andromeda trade off for the many sliders to get the same look in Inquisition. I do agree that male characters are less successful in Andromeda than female ones, and that complexion setting missing being a part of the problem. But I wonder if it is connected with removing the awful shiny skin.
I think they are pushing engine and animations towards better place, without spending astronomical sums.
On the other hand, with its 4 races Inquisition faces way more problems with cc, so we'll see what they will come up next. At the very least, I hope that they remake the elves again, because I hate loli elves with a passion. We all have our pet peeves, and loli is mine, I just hate it in video games.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 29, 2017 13:26:23 GMT
The way I see it, part of the issue is that ME and DA have different lead designers, so those in charge of MEA didn't learn the lesson of Inquisition (Even though the Inquisition leads did if JoH and Trespasser are anything to go by)
That, and the MEA devs started with the idea of supporting a colonization effort and exploring new worlds as their starting point and just didn't know what to do with it.
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