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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 7, 2017 1:05:18 GMT
Oh hey, maybe they're getting ready to announce World of Thedas 3! ...I started that as a joke, then realized I'd actually get hyped for real about another WoT volume. I'd prefer that another WOT volume be after the next game, in the way that Vol 2 was after DAI. Having all of those entries for characters was wonderful and really gave a lot of insight that can't be explored in a game. They can't do that for characters we don't even know, or places we haven't been to, or baddies we haven't fought.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 7, 2017 1:16:15 GMT
Oh hey, maybe they're getting ready to announce World of Thedas 3! ...I started that as a joke, then realized I'd actually get hyped for real about another WoT volume. I have a hard time buying into the excitement for the WoT volumes so far as is, since they're all written with the "but these are all unreliable narrators and thus we have the right to ignore and/or contradict this with new lore later on" disclaimer.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jul 7, 2017 1:44:28 GMT
Oh hey, maybe they're getting ready to announce World of Thedas 3! ...I started that as a joke, then realized I'd actually get hyped for real about another WoT volume. I have a hard time buying into the excitement for the WoT volumes so far as is, since they're all written with the "but these are all unreliable narrators and thus we have the right to ignore and/or contradict this with new lore later on" disclaimer. Meh, I think it's players who go to that extreme more than anything, using it as reasoning for whatever argument they're trying to make since it can't be countered by anything. For example, in discussions of whatever DA2 thing, players love to trot out that Varric is an unreliable narrator, but everything that we've seen after that bears out what we saw play out in DA2. I see no reason to discount the events of the game just because of that (other than the purposely exaggerated tutorial). Similarly, I think that is primarily a stylistic choice for WOT to make it more interesting to read, and not that they're going to use that device to go on some wild retcon spree. Their use of the unreliable narrator is my most hated feature of DA2 and WOT. Not because of how it actually plays or reads in the work, but because of how the fandom treats it.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 7, 2017 1:58:23 GMT
Similarly, I think that is primarily a stylistic choice for WOT to make it more interesting to read, and not that they're going to use that device to go on some wild retcon spree. I don't necessarily mean that I expect they're going to do so, but I dislike them giving themselves that out in the first place. I'd rather they build a thriving and consistent world, and stick to it, rather than making it all up as they go along. Bear in mind that that's with regard to the setting, granted. I don't see any problem with them only thinking up ideas for new game plots as the need arises, because I think if they confine themselves to a consistent setting, it should keep their work consistent anyway.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 7, 2017 2:03:20 GMT
Similarly, I think that is primarily a stylistic choice for WOT to make it more interesting to read, and not that they're going to use that device to go on some wild retcon spree. I don't necessarily mean that I expect they're going to do so, but I dislike them giving themselves that out in the first place. I'd rather they build a thriving and consistent world, and stick to it, rather than making it all up as they go along. Bear in mind that that's with regard to the setting, granted. I don't see any problem with them only thinking up ideas for new game plots as the need arises, because I think if they confine themselves to a consistent setting, it should keep their work consistent anyway. Eh, not sure that's possible since the whole idea (its seems) is that everything folks believe is true - isn't - and the layers are getting peeled away one game at a time. Which is fine with me, the world was kinda boring at first, now it's getting interesting. Just my humble opinion.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 7, 2017 2:07:54 GMT
Eh, not sure that's possible since the whole idea (its seems) is that everything folks believe is true - isn't - and the layers are getting peeled away one game at a time. Which is fine with me, the world was kinda boring at first, now it's getting interesting. Just my humble opinion. Well that's kinda my point. I don't see the appeal in reading a book about the setting if the point of the games is to say that everything I read about the setting in that book were just things that people misconstrued. As far as my own humble opinion goes, a twist that's only written to be shocking to the audience isn't exactly a hallmark of good writing in the first place.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 7, 2017 2:23:26 GMT
Eh, not sure that's possible since the whole idea (its seems) is that everything folks believe is true - isn't - and the layers are getting peeled away one game at a time. Which is fine with me, the world was kinda boring at first, now it's getting interesting. Just my humble opinion. Well that's kinda my point. I don't see the appeal in reading a book about the setting if the point of the games is to say that everything I read about the setting in that book were just things that people misconstrued. As far as my own humble opinion goes, a twist that's only written to be shocking to the audience isn't exactly a hallmark of good writing in the first place. ... Not sure what "a twist written to be shocking to the audience" has with the concept of unreliable narrator? The things they're setting up, either in games or in books are not so flimsy to be waved away, or twisty for twist's sake. I mean, subjectivity has been part of the whole project since its origins and it's not just there to give them enough wiggle room in a non-linear, complicated franchise, but to play with the whole concept of different perspectives. The unreliable narrator isn't necessarily there for superfluous reasons - the point of view of person narrating/focused on can and often is a part of world-building and storytelling.
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Post by arvaarad on Jul 7, 2017 3:47:03 GMT
Well that's kinda my point. I don't see the appeal in reading a book about the setting if the point of the games is to say that everything I read about the setting in that book were just things that people misconstrued. As far as my own humble opinion goes, a twist that's only written to be shocking to the audience isn't exactly a hallmark of good writing in the first place. ... Not sure "a twist written to be shocking to the audience" has with the concept of unreliable narrator? The things they're setting up, either in games or in books are not so flimsy to be waved away, or twisty for twist's sake. I mean, subjectivity has been part of the whole project since its origins and it's not just there to give them enough wiggle room in a non-linear, complicated franchise, but to play with the whole concept of different perspectives. The unreliable narrator isn't necessarily there for superfluous reasons - the point of view of person narrating can also be a part of world-building and storytelling. Lazarillo, pay no attention to these words. I will be perfectly happy to take on the horrible burden of purchasing all future World of Thedases in your stead. No one should have to suffer under the weight of their subjective canons except for me. Yes, I will take this dire mission onto my shoulders, for at last I understand all that self-sacrificing crap on Blackwall's vision board. In peace, vigilance. In war, victory. In death, more collector's editions of WoT available for meeeeeee!
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 7, 2017 3:51:11 GMT
... Not sure "a twist written to be shocking to the audience" has with the concept of unreliable narrator? The things they're setting up, either in games or in books are not so flimsy to be waved away, or twisty for twist's sake. I mean, subjectivity has been part of the whole project since its origins and it's not just there to give them enough wiggle room in a non-linear, complicated franchise, but to play with the whole concept of different perspectives. The unreliable narrator isn't necessarily there for superfluous reasons - the point of view of person narrating can also be a part of world-building and storytelling. Lazarillo, pay no attention to these words. I will be perfectly happy to take on the horrible burden of purchasing all future World of Thedases in your stead. No one should have to suffer under the weight of their subjective canons except for me. Yes, I will take this dire mission onto my shoulders, for at last I understand all that self-sacrificing crap on Blackwall's vision board. In peace, vigilance. In war, victory. In death, more collector's editions of WoT available for meeeeeee! Yo, leave at least one for me
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 7, 2017 3:52:24 GMT
I will be perfectly happy to take on the horrible burden of purchasing all future World of Thedases in your stead. No one should have to suffer under the weight of their subjective canons except for me. Yes, I will take this dire mission onto my shoulders, for at last I understand all that self-sacrificing crap on Blackwall's vision board. In peace, vigilance. In war, victory. In death, more collector's editions of WoT available for meeeeeee! Then you'll be happy to learn I don't really "get" the concept of limited collectors' editions, either.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jul 7, 2017 4:12:31 GMT
I rather enjoy spotting the consistencies between several different points of view in the DA lore. For example, we see the idea that "no one is alone" from Elvhen, Chantry, and Qunari sources. It may just be a feel-good mechanism used by religions/philosophies, or it may have some deeper, truer meaning - perhaps Koslun, Andraste, and some unknown elf are all referring to spirits?
Then there's the whole relationship of Dwarves with the Stone.The dwarves are a bit of an outlier, but lore revealed in DAI and The Descent DLC seems to hint that dwarves really are intrinsically different from the other races.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 7, 2017 4:20:26 GMT
I rather enjoy spotting the consistencies between several different points of view in the DA lore. For example, we see the idea that "no one is alone" from Elvhen, Chantry, and Qunari sources. It may just be a feel-good mechanism used by religions/philosophies, or it may have some deeper, truer meaning - perhaps Koslun, Andraste, and some unknown elf are all referring to spirits? Then there's the whole relationship of Dwarves with the Stone.The dwarves are a bit of an outlier, but lore revealed in DAI and The Descent DLC seems to hint that dwarves really are intrinsically different from the other races. I too, am enjoying the 'find out more as we go' style that is evolving from the codices and stories of the games. (I haven't read any of the books/comics/WoT or watched the anime thing). I like that codices that were truth in Origins are now just...opinions that happen to be false. There was a line in the first Men in Black movie that I think is appropriate here. "1000 years ago everybody knew the world was the centre of the Universe. 500 years ago everybody knew the world was flat. And fifteen minutes ago, you knew that people were alone in the Universe. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow." Having our understanding of Thedas turned on it's head from time to time is - I think - something that can help keep the setting fresh and enjoyable.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 7, 2017 4:35:59 GMT
I rather enjoy spotting the consistencies between several different points of view in the DA lore. For example, we see the idea that "no one is alone" from Elvhen, Chantry, and Qunari sources. It may just be a feel-good mechanism used by religions/philosophies, or it may have some deeper, truer meaning - perhaps Koslun, Andraste, and some unknown elf are all referring to spirits? Then there's the whole relationship of Dwarves with the Stone.The dwarves are a bit of an outlier, but lore revealed in DAI and The Descent DLC seems to hint that dwarves really are intrinsically different from the other races. I too, am enjoying the 'find out more as we go' style that is evolving from the codices and stories of the games. (I haven't read any of the books/comics/WoT or watched the anime thing). I like that codices that were truth in Origins are now just...opinions that happen to be false. There was a line in the first Men in Black movie that I think is appropriate here. "1000 years ago everybody knew the world was the centre of the Universe. 500 years ago everybody knew the world was flat. And fifteen minutes ago, you knew that people were alone in the Universe. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow." Having our understanding of Thedas turned on it's head from time to time is - I think - something that can help keep the setting fresh and enjoyable. And relatable. As much as we have much better tools today to get to know the world, catalog knowledge and try and sever it from our biases, we are still quite subjective creatures, who also had to face many times the realization that the world is NOT what we thought it is.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jul 7, 2017 5:34:22 GMT
World of Thedas Volume 2 was quite a bit more enjoyable than the first volume, since it was mostly descriptions of the various characters of Thedas. They had a lot of character details that would have been very difficult to squeeze into the games.
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Post by Rascoth on Jul 7, 2017 7:43:02 GMT
... Not sure "a twist written to be shocking to the audience" has with the concept of unreliable narrator? The things they're setting up, either in games or in books are not so flimsy to be waved away, or twisty for twist's sake. I mean, subjectivity has been part of the whole project since its origins and it's not just there to give them enough wiggle room in a non-linear, complicated franchise, but to play with the whole concept of different perspectives. The unreliable narrator isn't necessarily there for superfluous reasons - the point of view of person narrating can also be a part of world-building and storytelling. Lazarillo, pay no attention to these words. I will be perfectly happy to take on the horrible burden of purchasing all future World of Thedases in your stead. No one should have to suffer under the weight of their subjective canons except for me. Yes, I will take this dire mission onto my shoulders, for at last I understand all that self-sacrificing crap on Blackwall's vision board. In peace, vigilance. In war, victory. In death, more collector's editions of WoT available for meeeeeee! My friend! This burden, this sacrifice, is to great for one person. I cannot let you do this alone. Please accept my help in this dire quest of yours!
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 7, 2017 13:03:44 GMT
Lazarillo, pay no attention to these words. I will be perfectly happy to take on the horrible burden of purchasing all future World of Thedases in your stead. No one should have to suffer under the weight of their subjective canons except for me. Yes, I will take this dire mission onto my shoulders, for at last I understand all that self-sacrificing crap on Blackwall's vision board. In peace, vigilance. In war, victory. In death, more collector's editions of WoT available for meeeeeee! My friend! This burden, this sacrifice, is to great for one person. I cannot let you do this alone. Please accept my help in this dire quest of yours! You have my axe! (And also my wallet, whenever WoT 3 comes out. I think WoT 2 is my favourite lore book for anything, ever.)
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 7, 2017 15:04:39 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrah Sure. Sure But what about 10 woman? And say 3 guys? Can I get a baby in a month then? That's like 50% more staff months!
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Good, good, seems legit, spreadsheets going well.
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Post by marikahaliwell on Jul 7, 2017 15:44:50 GMT
WoT vol 2 I have. I still need to buy the first one. One funny thing about that book? I live in a hotel and sometimes at night I have to open doors for late guests. My co-workers one day asked if I am not afraid that someone would assault me. I told them there's no chance since I am not going empty handed , i always have a book with me. Incredulous stares and laughs follow ... until i go under the counter, take out WoT 2 and slam it on the table Cassandra style. Then i laughed at their faces when they picked up the book and saw how heavy it was XD
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Post by arvaarad on Jul 7, 2017 16:29:22 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahSure. Sure But what about 10 woman? And say 3 guys? Can I get a baby in a month then? That's like 50% more staff months! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesGood, good, seems legit, spreadsheets going well. __________________ Um... CSI: BSN? CSI: BSN is so on top of this, we answered it weeks in advance!Given how off-base my Inquisition predictions were, I take some comfort in my apparent ability to foretell the contents of Darrah's Twitter feed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 16:52:55 GMT
Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrahSure. Sure But what about 10 woman? And say 3 guys? Can I get a baby in a month then? That's like 50% more staff months! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesGood, good, seems legit, spreadsheets going well. __________________ Um... CSI: BSN? CSI: BSN is so on top of this, we answered it weeks in advance!Given how off-base my Inquisition predictions were, I take some comfort in my apparent ability to foretell the contents of Darrah's Twitter feed. Do you think he's either trolling, or he just told us they've got 13 months to get this damn thing finished. New DA announced next August? I should add, I'm bad at math.
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Post by Heimdall on Jul 7, 2017 17:08:09 GMT
Do you think he's either trolling, or he just told us they've got 13 months to get this damn thing finished. New DA announced next August? I should add, I'm bad at math. Probably just referencing the project management saying: "You can't pay nine women to make a baby in one month." Could mean that they're getting more staff working on Dragon Age and Mark is giddy about how much more work they can get done now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 17:17:37 GMT
Do you think he's either trolling, or he just told us they've got 13 months to get this damn thing finished. New DA announced next August? I should add, I'm bad at math. Probably just referencing the project management saying: "You can't pay nine women to make a baby in one month." Could mean that they're getting more staff working on Dragon Age now and Mark is giddy about how much more work they can get done now. Okay, that makes sense. I'm at the point of desperation for new stuff, where I'm looking for hints and portents between the lines.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 7, 2017 20:11:07 GMT
Do you think he's either trolling, or he just told us they've got 13 months to get this damn thing finished. New DA announced next August? I should add, I'm bad at math. Probably just referencing the project management saying: "You can't pay nine women to make a baby in one month." Could mean that they're getting more staff working on Dragon Age now and Mark is giddy about how much more work they can get done now. I recall hearing Mike Laidlaw in one of his twitch streams that they're indeed on a hiring spree (as if that isn't obvious ) and that he hasn't been on one this big for a while. He seemed pretty excited about it too. I'd say this bodes well for DA4 in terms of project moving ahead at full or near-full speed. I mean... they're not even hiding the fact that they're working on next DA anymore. And it's not like they began serious work yesterday, even if with a smaller team.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jul 7, 2017 20:15:20 GMT
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 8, 2017 0:27:26 GMT
Surprised Hrungr hasn't posted the Anders cosplay from the Bioware main account yet. Seems to be a hit with the Anders fans. Hrungr's been hiking in Whistler today , but I'll get to any missed tweets in a little bit.
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