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Possible DA4 romance news Gamedam Meister @gamedammeister@mike_Laidlaw @biomarkdarrah @patrickweekes In the next DA game if/when you do one, could there be romances for ace/demi players please? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes@gamedammeister It's something we have considered. There's a lot of conflicting opinion on what that would look like. I wouldn't read too much into it. After all, they know that people want a gay KISA too, have been clamoring for it since DAO, but we still haven't gotten one. As for this, David Gaider even discussed it as a possibility on occasion. Even though people want certain things in their romances, whether that be a particular gender, race (fantasy race), or orientation, it still does have to be interesting to the writer and something they want to write for that character. Don't they have those types of romances since KotOR, for demi at least? In fact, you can't even boink your LI in that game. Other examples: Kisses in Jade Empire. DA:O - Alistair and Leliana won't put out unless you get pretty high up on the romance scale. ME - sexy times occur after courting the LIs throughout the entire game. The idea would be to acknowledge that sex isn't a part of that specific romantic relationship. Conversation with Dorian specifically refers to sex. There is no reason that something similar can't be had that makes reference to not having sex. It's not the same as a no-sex option. Dorian also has a "let's take it slow" path, but it's implied that you DO have sex eventually. Sebastian? Honetsly, I am all for "let's just hold hands and kiss" instead of the sex scenes.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Sept 6, 2017 21:45:31 GMT
I think they've already addressed how they're going to approach fan requests in Biofan's interview with Patrick Weekes (they're speaking about transgender romance, but it applies to any romance idea): I've seen both him and DG say similar things, so none of that was new for me. But I do thank you for posting the link to the time, since I inwardly groaned on seeing a video link. The problem is that, despite reviewing with whomever, various groups are not monolithic. Everyone of whatever group is going to have their own perspective and opinion on how a character of their ilk should be done, including a romance with that character. Dorian, a gay character, was written by a gay man. Yet there are gay men who don't like certain aspects of his character, his story, and his romance, and wish they hadn't been put into the game. Do the opinions of those gay men count? Absolutely. But so do those of the gay men who adore the character and who felt touched and affected on a personal level by his story. You can't please everyone. They won't be able to please everyone with a trans romance, and they won't be able to please everyone with an ace romance. That is just the nature of things and of opinions. I'll assume that the question was asked with Maevaris in mind, given the strong hints toward Tevinter in the next game and her known association with Dorian (who might also feature in the next game). I think it would be extremely easy to have her romance not be about being trans. The hook and conflict of that romance is already present: she is a widow. Now, whether people want that is another matter that I could expand on, but won't in this thread. It's there and neatly laid out. Her being trans need only be addressed in a tangential way and not impact the romance at all, especially if the PC knows about it in advance (how this is to be done is also in question). If the PC knows, and still flirts and wants to start a romance, then it's obviously not a big deal. It doesn't have to be featured as "a thing," but neither does it have to be ignored.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Sept 6, 2017 21:56:27 GMT
Sebastian? Honetsly, I am all for "let's just hold hands and kiss" instead of the sex scenes. Being chaste for religious reasons is not the same thing. Again, the point is to have it be acknowledged as a non-sexual, but still romantic relationship because that is what the characters mutually want. Also, I don't believe that Sebastian's rivalmance makes this stipulation, only his friendmance. So again, this is akin to the "take it slow" option, which isn't a true ace option. In any case, the vow of chastity for the Chantry isn't just about sex, it's about having romantic love toward someone when that love is supposed to be reserved for the Maker. That means no relationships of any kind, including aces. Andraste gave herself to the Maker, and so do sworn brothers and sisters of the Chantry.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 7, 2017 0:04:35 GMT
I think they've already addressed how they're going to approach fan requests in Biofan's interview with Patrick Weekes (they're speaking about transgender romance, but it applies to any romance idea): I've seen both him and DG say similar things, so none of that was new for me. But I do thank you for posting the link to the time, since I inwardly groaned on seeing a video link. The problem is that, despite reviewing with whomever, various groups are not monolithic. Everyone of whatever group is going to have their own perspective and opinion on how a character of their ilk should be done, including a romance with that character. Dorian, a gay character, was written by a gay man. Yet there are gay men who don't like certain aspects of his character, his story, and his romance, and wish they hadn't been put into the game. Do the opinions of those gay men count? Absolutely. But so do those of the gay men who adore the character and who felt touched and affected on a personal level by his story. You can't please everyone. They won't be able to please everyone with a trans romance, and they won't be able to please everyone with an ace romance. That is just the nature of things and of opinions. I'll assume that the question was asked with Maevaris in mind, given the strong hints toward Tevinter in the next game and her known association with Dorian (who might also feature in the next game). I think it would be extremely easy to have her romance not be about being trans. The hook and conflict of that romance is already present: she is a widow. Now, whether people want that is another matter that I could expand on, but won't in this thread. It's there and neatly laid out. Her being trans need only be addressed in a tangential way and not impact the romance at all, especially if the PC knows about it in advance (how this is to be done is also in question). If the PC knows, and still flirts and wants to start a romance, then it's obviously not a big deal. It doesn't have to be featured as "a thing," but neither does it have to be ignored. I think the fact that there will be people unhappy with content presented goes without saying - there were people criticizing every romance there was in DAI or DA as a whole, and naturally less common romances will invite more scrutiny, just because there are fewer of those across the medium. But we aren't talking about that - we are talking about any romance with desired characteristic showing up in the first place, and the stance of Bioware seems to be "sure, we have no objections to it, but there should be more to it than <insert desired characteristic> romance". As for romance with Maevaris - well it is a topic for a separate thread, but considering that her marriage seemed to be happy and she mourns the loss of her husband, question remains whether she'd be ready to move on.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 7, 2017 0:13:54 GMT
6 Don't they have those types of romances since KotOR, for demi at least? In fact, you can't even boink your LI in that game. Other examples: Kisses in Jade Empire. DA:O - Alistair and Leliana won't put out unless you get pretty high up on the romance scale. ME - sexy times occur after courting the LIs throughout the entire game. KOTOR: True the romances in that game only ended at kissing(though I think that's due more to LucasArts than Bioware). Jade Empire: Had sexual relationships, just fade to black ones. DAO: True, though it does require sex and the flirts don't fit. ME: Same as above but even more. Don't forget Josie Disney romance with only kisses & cuddling. Josephine is one of two LIs where the writer did say that seeing her as asexual or demisexual and the relationship being like that are perfectly valid interpretations of the character. Possible DA4 romance news Gamedam Meister @gamedammeister@mike_Laidlaw @biomarkdarrah @patrickweekes In the next DA game if/when you do one, could there be romances for ace/demi players please? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes@gamedammeister It's something we have considered. There's a lot of conflicting opinion on what that would look like. I wouldn't read too much into it. After all, they know that people want a gay KISA too, have been clamoring for it since DAO, but we still haven't gotten one. As for this, David Gaider even discussed it as a possibility on occasion. Even though people want certain things in their romances, whether that be a particular gender, race (fantasy race), or orientation, it still does have to be interesting to the writer and something they want to write for that character. Don't they have those types of romances since KotOR, for demi at least? In fact, you can't even boink your LI in that game. Other examples: Kisses in Jade Empire. DA:O - Alistair and Leliana won't put out unless you get pretty high up on the romance scale. ME - sexy times occur after courting the LIs throughout the entire game. The idea would be to acknowledge that sex isn't a part of that specific romantic relationship. Conversation with Dorian specifically refers to sex. There is no reason that something similar can't be had that makes reference to not having sex. It's not the same as a no-sex option. Dorian also has a "let's take it slow" path, but it's implied that you DO have sex eventually. 1. Yeah I know. Patrick Weekes a while ago when asked about it said that while possible they think they are at a good enough place right now. Granted that was a few years ago at this point so maybe they changed their minds hence this tweet. But yeah, not enough certainty for me to get excited yet. 2. Exactly. It's more than just having a non-sex route, but other aspects of the romance would have to be a certain way as well. For example the flirts would have to not be sexual in nature.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 1:09:15 GMT
Sebastian? Honetsly, I am all for "let's just hold hands and kiss" instead of the sex scenes. Being chaste for religious reasons is not the same thing. Again, the point is to have it be acknowledged as a non-sexual, but still romantic relationship because that is what the characters mutually want. Also, I don't believe that Sebastian's rivalmance makes this stipulation, only his friendmance. So again, this is akin to the "take it slow" option, which isn't a true ace option. In any case, the vow of chastity for the Chantry isn't just about sex, it's about having romantic love toward someone when that love is supposed to be reserved for the Maker. That means no relationships of any kind, including aces. Andraste gave herself to the Maker, and so do sworn brothers and sisters of the Chantry. Well, you guys are connoisseurs, I am really not venturing in these fine distinctions because frankly I am going get lost in all the shades of who does what with whom and how, and well, tbh I am far too old to start trying to sort it all out. So long as everyone is happy, I am happy for them I just prefer flirting while questing in the games like with Reyes to the sex scenes, and fade to blacks so you can think what you prefer in terms of consummation of the relationship.
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Post by theblackadder13 on Sept 7, 2017 2:18:22 GMT
What's demisexual?
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Post by Gilli on Sept 7, 2017 2:32:11 GMT
Not being sexually attracted to someone until you already have a deep bond/relationship(friendship?) with them. As far as I know.
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Mark Darrah @biomarkdarrah Today we did on boarding. One of the new team members was born after I started at BioWare. ... ... ... Ice floe
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Post by tacsear on Sept 7, 2017 10:20:11 GMT
It is also known as not being ready for a relationship. I don't understand people's fascination with creating new terms for everything
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Post by IllustriousT on Sept 7, 2017 10:59:03 GMT
I would love to see an increase in romantic relationship building vs a few flirt options and a sex scene. Besides, sometimes the sex scenes ruin it for me because it is just better in my mind. Although - I wouldn't be opposed to few peeks here and there.
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Johan Andersson @repi Fun comparison by @ca1ne of amount of source code in Linux kernel vs @frostbiteengine. Think this qualifies as a metric ton of code in both pbs.twimg.com/media/DJH9LDuW4AEwiRo.jpgof course not really a meaningful comparison (beyond source control / file system) as are two completely different things, but fun
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 7, 2017 14:02:34 GMT
It is also known as not being ready for a relationship. I don't understand people's fascination with creating new terms for everything I'm fairly sure that "not sexually attracted unless deeply emotionally/romantically connected" is not "not being ready for a relationship" - unless relationship without sex is not a real relationship for you...
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Post by tacsear on Sept 7, 2017 14:15:23 GMT
It is also known as not being ready for a relationship. I don't understand people's fascination with creating new terms for everything I'm fairly sure that "not sexually attracted unless deeply emotionally/romantically connected" is not "not being ready for a relationship" - unless relationship without sex is not a real relationship for you... What you said is exactly what I said with extra steps. People try too hard to identify themselves with terms
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Sept 7, 2017 14:15:50 GMT
It is also known as not being ready for a relationship. I don't understand people's fascination with creating new terms for everything No, that is not the same thing at all. Non-ace and non-demi people like to think that's what it means because they think they know us better than we know ourselves. Sorry... you don't. I know a lot of non-ace, non-demi people who can feel sexually attracted to people they have never met. That just doesn't happen to demi people. I can't look at someone like Dwayne Johnson or Emilia Clarke and think "Oh yeah, I'd like to kiss/cuddle/have sex with him/her. I'll just fantasize about that for a bit." I'd have to actually get to know them before I have even the slightest inclination to fantasize about them. It's a little alienating as a young teen when all your friends are posting pictures of the latest teen hearthrob on every available surface and asking you if you dream about kissing them and you can't even begin to understand wtf they are on about. Being demi is not "not being ready for a relationship" in the sense that you mean. It's not inexperience or religious conditioning that prevents us from wanting to get intimate with someone we don't know. It's that the hormones that are released when most people feel desire for someone do not even get released until you have a very deep emotional or intellectual bond with another person.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Sept 7, 2017 14:26:34 GMT
It is also known as not being ready for a relationship. I don't understand people's fascination with creating new terms for everything Ideally, the goal is efficiency in communication. It would be useful for me to live in a world where I could say 'I'm aromantic' and have people understand me without further explanation, in the same way they do when I say 'I'm heterosexual.'
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 7, 2017 14:41:13 GMT
I'm fairly sure that "not sexually attracted unless deeply emotionally/romantically connected" is not "not being ready for a relationship" - unless relationship without sex is not a real relationship for you... What you said is exactly what I said with extra steps. People try too hard to identify themselves with terms Ummm... no, it isn't exactly what you said. Also, should I understand it that you indeed think relationship ain't serious or ain't even relationship unless sex is involved? I think there are people who disagree. Hence they identify themselves differently.
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Hey guys, if you're going to do sexuality wank, can you do it in the OT part of the forum?
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Sept 7, 2017 16:53:04 GMT
I wouldn't read too much into it. After all, they know that people want a gay KISA too, have been clamoring for it since DAO, but we still haven't gotten one. As for this, David Gaider even discussed it as a possibility on occasion. Even though people want certain things in their romances, whether that be a particular gender, race (fantasy race), or orientation, it still does have to be interesting to the writer and something they want to write for that character. The idea would be to acknowledge that sex isn't a part of that specific romantic relationship. Conversation with Dorian specifically refers to sex. There is no reason that something similar can't be had that makes reference to not having sex. It's not the same as a no-sex option. Dorian also has a "let's take it slow" path, but it's implied that you DO have sex eventually. Sebastian? Honetsly, I am all for "let's just hold hands and kiss" instead of the sex scenes. I mean solavellan is basically this. You can headcanon either way. And avoid even the implication of sex by choosing certain dialogue. Hence why I didn't think my lavellan and Solas had had sex when I played. I dunno if that makes it "ace" or whatever. I just headcanon my lavellan doesn't do sex before marriage.
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Emily pentapod I'm always intrigued when reading tools documentation and come across features described simply as "do not use" 🤔 /eyes @lazertuna i.imgur.com/A0FqvZr.gif
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 7, 2017 17:24:26 GMT
Emily pentapod I'm always intrigued when reading tools documentation and come across features described simply as "do not use" 🤔 /eyes @lazertuna i.imgur.com/A0FqvZr.gif ... Are they there to tempt the devs?
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