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Post by melbella on Jan 18, 2018 5:40:34 GMT
It would be just like the writers to do it too, especially because he's romanceable. Anders, Solas, and Iron Bull obviously aren't enough betrayal in one century.
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Post by dazk on Jan 18, 2018 5:42:55 GMT
It would be just like the writers to do it too, especially because he's romanceable. Anders, Solas, and Iron Bull obviously aren't enough betrayal in one century. Yeah someone raised that once before as well, wouldn't surprise me at all
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 18, 2018 5:48:34 GMT
Element Zero I'm not sure how you can say the extortion stops when Sloane still requires payments from the outpost to keep it running and "protected." The only thing that may be different is no more heads on spikes, and that's only if you take that dialogue option.
The book didn't make me like her any more. She made some dumb decisions and let her pride get in the way of making things work - ironically, the same fault she finds in Tann.
Also, she really was a pretty crappy head of security. Passcodes get stolen and you don't disable/change them immediately?!
I don’t think the book makes her lovable. It does give her some actual character development, though. We get to see her as a person who believes in the Initiative and tries to save lives. She’s also way more trustworthy than Tann and Addison, at least in the early days. Those two are very self-serving at times, and Foster may have serious secrets. I think it fills the void in the game by giving Sloane screen time. She gets nothing in MEA, while Reyes is our charming (liar) bro. Of course most people will like him more. I may be reading too much into things, but the racketeering no longer makes sense. For one, she now has legitimate money coming in via taxation of DITAEON. Secondly, it would annoy the Ai, and not in a good way. Lastly, I think she still wants to believe in the Ai’s goal, and that Ryder gave her a glimmer of hope. Her demeanor changes dramatically if you stay consistent and honest with her. (Being an aggressive dick, an anti-Pathfinder, is counterproductive and pointless. It earns friends nowhere. Why should Sloane respond to a tough-guy act any better than someone else would?)
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 18, 2018 5:55:26 GMT
Not Overlord, just rich, regardless of how bloody the money. In my experience, he and Sloane do the exact same things to “help the Initiative” (not much). There is no benefit or penalty for either choice in this game. The arrangement is exactly the same with both. One of the greatest disappointments for me in not getting a sequel is not getting to see Reyes’ marks (players who fell for the charm) realize they’ve been duped. I’ll never be able to understand how handing him Kadara seems like a good idea to some. I never argue that Sloane is a good person. I do argue that Reyes and the Collective are terrifyingly bad. They’re dangerous criminals who are way smarter than the Initiative. What could possibly go wrong? They are criminals but so are the exiles, plus the exiles are traitors and don't like the Initiative, WYSIWYG at least Reyes wants to work with the Initiative. The collective are secretive but I am not convinced by their actions that they are out be some rogue smuggling gang that wants to rule Heleus. Iam as I said before optimistic that Reyes will play a positive role in any future DLC, expansion or game. If I have been duped, then well done writers as I am obviously the fish they wanted to catch If the Outcasts are traitors, Tann and Addison are nearly as bad. Their exile was totally out of proportion and complete BS. They were idiots, but it was manageable. Read the book! It would be just like the writers to do it too, especially because he's romanceable. Anders, Solas, and Iron Bull obviously aren't enough betrayal in one century. Don’t forget Jacob. His betrayal was lesser, but applicable. The new BioWare seems to dislike branching choices, so I’m not sure they’d have the guts. It could work without too much effort, I guess. Either you have a resurgent Collective with which to reckon, with Sloane on Kadara; or an out of control Collective that controls Kadara. In the latter case, an Ai rep takes over governing Kadara Port post-Collective. Sadly, I doubt we’ll ever know their intentions.
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Post by dazk on Jan 18, 2018 6:13:17 GMT
I don't like Tann or Addison and would space both of them if I could!!!!!!
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 18, 2018 6:41:43 GMT
I don't like Tann or Addison and would space both of them if I could!!!!!! They’re okay, I guess, but I’ll likely never love them. In summer 2016, I was really interested in discovering how the Nexus/Ai would be governed. What would it be like taking orders from whatever governing body Jien had in place? Would there be friction amongst its members? Would Pathfinder judgment sometimes run counter to orders? It turns out that “yes” is the answer to several of those questions, but that everything was super-simplified. Killing off all of the important persons ensured that Ryder was immediately a person of towering importance. That’s not really what was described to us during the last year of development, and it was a bit disappointing. I was looking forward to being just one of four Pathfinders, and the junior and unproven one. Instead, Ryder’s youth and inexperience is inconsequential once Prodromos is established a few hours into the game. It’s meh; not what I’d hoped.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 13:55:30 GMT
Forgive my ignorance but what is "OW portions of the game"? Open World, like, you know, just going around picking things and looking at things. I am very story driven and don't take particular pleasure in doing not much I'll take in the views while on the way to the quest marker, and like it, but I don't hang out in the game the way she does.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 18, 2018 23:11:09 GMT
Personal Logs: Robert Ryder, Pathfinder. Mission Day: 114.
So our latest sojourn to Aya was interrupted. Wanted to meet with Aksuul, have a friendly chat with our embassy, but there was a distress call from Eos. The Roekar hit them...hard. I was actually a bit unnerved by the size of the strike force they brought to bare on us. A lot of resources of a minority terrorist cell. Nevertheless we survived and fought them back. I was very proud of our people. But also mad at Aksuul, these Roekar need to be dealt with once and for all.
On a more personal note I'm in it now. I kissed Cora, and also caught her. The whole thing was rather corny, but as I said. I am thick in it now. No choice but to see where this goes.
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So, the Roekar assault on Eos always gives me trouble so this time I didn't maaintain the high ground and went into the thick of it but then they come in, wave after wave after wave after wave after wave of the suckers. I didn't die once but Vetra and Jaal went down, repeatedly. And there was a couple of really close calls.
In other news, the Cora romance is just...so cliche. I suppose it works for what it is. I may have to look up one day exactly what triggers it and what does not later because I am kind of curious. Heh, may be worth doing another run with Robert at some point if I do answer that question so I can actually not feel like I have to flirt with her all the time.
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Post by dazk on Jan 19, 2018 0:03:15 GMT
Forgive my ignorance but what is "OW portions of the game"? Open World, like, you know, just going around picking things and looking at things. I am very story driven and don't take particular pleasure in doing not much I'll take in the views while on the way to the quest marker, and like it, but I don't hang out in the game the way she does. I thought that was what it meant but thought I'd clarify. Usually if I am frustrated with a randomly located quest not appearing such as on Elaaden I'll just go exploring or find a challenge like driving the edge of the map or climbing somewhere high but not typically
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Post by melbella on Jan 19, 2018 3:01:41 GMT
I thought I was going crazy wondering why I only have 17 models when I know for a fact I picked them all up (I checked them off my list as I found them). The one I was missing was the Hyperion. BUT, the ship is parked inside the Nexus model. The game is counting this as only 1 model instead of 2 so it says I only have 17 when I do in fact have all 18. Ugh, stupid game!
The Nexus is one you buy so you have it automatically in NG+. I guess as soon as you pick up the Hyperion in Prodromos it gets added to it? Never noticed until now.
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Post by melbella on Jan 19, 2018 3:45:05 GMT
Hmm, not sure if this is supposed to be the case, but I'm still able to access the Voeld vault. Uh, yay?
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Post by dazk on Jan 19, 2018 5:14:13 GMT
I thought I was going crazy wondering why I only have 17 models when I know for a fact I picked them all up (I checked them off my list as I found them). The one I was missing was the Hyperion. BUT, the ship is parked inside the Nexus model. The game is counting this as only 1 model instead of 2 so it says I only have 17 when I do in fact have all 18. Ugh, stupid game!
The Nexus is one you buy so you have it automatically in NG+. I guess as soon as you pick up the Hyperion in Prodromos it gets added to it? Never noticed until now.
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Well spotted re the models I always wondered why there was an empty space!!!!! Did you finish the main story? I just got the 2nd wave of Kadara missions I have been having so many issues especially with audio this PT.
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Post by dazk on Jan 19, 2018 5:17:15 GMT
Hmm, not sure if this is supposed to be the case, but I'm still able to access the Voeld vault. Uh, yay? Lucky you I hate the Voeld vault, it is always such a relief to do the Kadara one afterwards
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Post by dazk on Jan 19, 2018 5:21:32 GMT
I thought I was going crazy wondering why I only have 17 models when I know for a fact I picked them all up (I checked them off my list as I found them). The one I was missing was the Hyperion. BUT, the ship is parked inside the Nexus model. The game is counting this as only 1 model instead of 2 so it says I only have 17 when I do in fact have all 18. Ugh, stupid game!
The Nexus is one you buy so you have it automatically in NG+. I guess as soon as you pick up the Hyperion in Prodromos it gets added to it? Never noticed until now.
Hey if you can be bothered you should post that on the Andromeda's Little Things You have Just Discovered thread. bsn.boards.net/thread/5622/andromedas-little-discovered?page=22&scrollTo=967630
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Post by melbella on Jan 19, 2018 5:25:20 GMT
Did you finish the main story? I just got the 2nd wave of Kadara missions Yep. I always leave Movie Night for after the big finish.
I am debating whether to tell the angara astronomer the truth about what happened to his satellites or let him believe his own version for once. This is one of those missions where I wish I could go solo so nobody but me (and SAM) would know who really dunnit.
Sound effects or other stuff? I have a terrible time with sound effects cutting out. Sometimes I can just reload and it's fixed, other times I have to exit the game and restart.
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Post by dazk on Jan 19, 2018 6:11:24 GMT
Did you finish the main story? I just got the 2nd wave of Kadara missions Yep. I always leave Movie Night for after the big finish.
I am debating whether to tell the angara astronomer the truth about what happened to his satellites or let him believe his own version for once. This is one of those missions where I wish I could go solo so nobody but me (and SAM) would know who really dunnit.
Sound effects or other stuff? I have a terrible time with sound effects cutting out. Sometimes I can just reload and it's fixed, other times I have to exit the game and restart. Well done I never lie to him but this PT I will just cause I hate his reaction if you don't. Its kinda bit juvenile how he acts when you tell him the truth It'd be good to be able solo some missions, might try that tomorrow just for fun, assuming you can actually head out without your squad!!!! Just lots of loss of voice acting, have never experienced it before that I can remember. Also had PeeBee in the research room repeat the same argument with Lexi at least 3 times and a few other dialogue glitches. Weird!!!!
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Post by Element Zero on Jan 19, 2018 6:57:48 GMT
melbella, I don’t think I’ve ever had that odd glitch with the models. I know I’ve never had an empty space after grabbing the final model post-game. It’s kind of cool that they have the ark docked with the Nexus. I’ve always told the astronomer the truth about his satellites. He acts like a total dolt about it; but it seemed like a situation which might arise anew in the next game. (If such existed.) He’ll likely get over his childish tantrum. If the truth comes out after a Pathfinder lie, though, that would reflect very poorly.
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Post by melbella on Jan 19, 2018 13:37:10 GMT
melbella , I don’t think I’ve ever had that odd glitch with the models. I know I’ve never had an empty space after grabbing the final model post-game. It’s kind of cool that they have the ark docked with the Nexus.
I don't have any empty spaces but the game says I only have 17 models (on the stats page). However, there are 18 in the game. It is counting Hyperion + Nexus as 1 model instead of 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 13:52:35 GMT
melbella I am sure the game is trying to tell you something by inviting you to revisit the Voeld's Vault... maybe the Quarian Ark is in it? Aww... My kiddo finish Drack's quest, and needs to start what she dubbed "a warm-up for Liam's loyalty mission". I did not even need to ask her, just to confirm that she let that miserable character fly in Drack's story She also thinks she had already killed Sloane - in Vetra's quest. Apparently there is a char there that resembles Sloane? I can't recall off hand. But I assured her she did not yet if she has not gone out with Reyes to a party. She also really likes Kallo and Gil. And hates Jill. Yeah, you are not alone in that, kiddo. I really wish that Jill's subplot was not a thing, even though I really liked the idea initially of a crew member having a good friend off the ship, away from the player's world and sphere of influence. It jus did not work that great in the end.... Honestly, don't kick me, but I would rather have more of Kallo vs. Gil maybe even with the subtext that it could be some sort of antagonistic love-hate flirting.
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Post by Curious Crow on Jan 19, 2018 19:46:36 GMT
She also thinks she had already killed Sloane - in Vetra's quest. Apparently there is a char there that resembles Sloane? I can't recall off hand. But I assured her she did not yet if she has not gone out with Reyes to a party. The main baddie in Vetra's quest (Meriweather) has the same hair as Sloane (albeit blonde). They don't look that much alike side to side, but I could easily see them being mixed up if comparing them from memory.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 19, 2018 23:03:10 GMT
Personal logs: Robert Ryder, Pathfinder. Mission Day: 115.
Today I let out a chief engineer who wanted to be put back into stasis after the failure of Eos. got me thinking that its been months since Eos failed. Maybe a year. I wasn't even here yet when she went into cryo the first time. The second time. Did she know she would wake up? What will she think with the progress we made? Our two outposts, and our first small steps to full viability? I suppose I will have to ask her one day.
Soon we'll be heading back to Kadara. Figure the best place to search for allies and get their political situation in line would be the exiles on Kadara...its the next logical step anyways.
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So saw the memory with the Ryder party, and there was an interview with either the lead writer or one of the other leads in Andromeda that Scott would have been someone who couldn't wait to see what was beyond the relay sort of deal...only to have that scene say that word for word. Now generally I rather like the writing for Andromeda, I have made that clear...but this really annoys me. Its a minor complaint but it still kind of takes me out of the experience and may literally be the worse example of 'tell don't show' in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 1:05:50 GMT
Omg, pre-teen detective on the case:
Kadara, she is facing the Asari doctor that tells her that the other Doc is the drug dealer.
Kiddo: “Argh! She’s the mean one! She said a bad word!”
There you go, underground denizens, swearing is what gives you away..... but, yeah, spot on, no angst of indescision, no studying the records, just like that...
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Post by dazk on Jan 20, 2018 1:10:47 GMT
Omg, pre-teen detective on the case: Kadara, she is facing the Asari doctor that tells her that the other Doc is the drug dealer. Kiddo: “Argh! She’s the mean one! She said a bad word!” There you go, underground denizens, swearing is what gives you away..... but, yeah, spot on, no angst of indescision, no studying the records, just like that... That's why kids are great, they just sense this stuff and say it as it is . I did that mission myself yesterday, it annoys me for some reason it just doesn't seem well written
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Post by melbella on Jan 20, 2018 1:25:29 GMT
Personal logs: Robert Ryder, Pathfinder. Mission Day: 115. Today I let out a chief engineer who wanted to be put back into stasis after the failure of Eos. got me thinking that its been months since Eos failed. Maybe a year. I wasn't even here yet when she went into cryo the first time. The second time. Did she know she would wake up? What will she think with the progress we made? Our two outposts, and our first small steps to full viability? I suppose I will have to ask her one day. Soon we'll be heading back to Kadara. Figure the best place to search for allies and get their political situation in line would be the exiles on Kadara...its the next logical step anyways. You know you can talk to Grace Lito at Prodromos after she's back out of cryo, right? She in the medical building, I think.
She also helps out during Liam's loyalty mission.
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Post by dazk on Jan 20, 2018 1:40:33 GMT
Personal logs: Robert Ryder, Pathfinder. Mission Day: 115. Today I let out a chief engineer who wanted to be put back into stasis after the failure of Eos. got me thinking that its been months since Eos failed. Maybe a year. I wasn't even here yet when she went into cryo the first time. The second time. Did she know she would wake up? What will she think with the progress we made? Our two outposts, and our first small steps to full viability? I suppose I will have to ask her one day. Soon we'll be heading back to Kadara. Figure the best place to search for allies and get their political situation in line would be the exiles on Kadara...its the next logical step anyways. You know you can talk to Grace Lito at Prodromos after she's back out of cryo, right? She in the medical building, I think.
She also helps out during Liam's loyalty mission.
I really like Chief Engineer Grace Lito E-97 Durango I actually tried to make her in the CC but couldn't get a result I was happy with. There is a niceness mixed with a don't mess with me feel to her and I love it when you hear her chime in on Liam's loyalty mission directing the other Eos people
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