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Post by melbella on Feb 11, 2018 19:01:39 GMT
"Stole" the Tempest because it's too much to have the person who refuses to acknowledge me as Pathfinder until I "pathfind" actually allow me to go and do that. Landed on Eos, got the Nomad up and running, activated two out of three of the alien monoliths.
I agree this just reeks of red tape for the sole purpose of red tape. I mean, the Tempest has been going nowhere for how long now? Why don't they already know what its inventory is?
I'd really like to know how Vetra pulls strings to get that kid out of cryo though, or if she was just blowing smoke.
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Post by dazk on Feb 11, 2018 22:31:03 GMT
"Stole" the Tempest because it's too much to have the person who refuses to acknowledge me as Pathfinder until I "pathfind" actually allow me to go and do that. Landed on Eos, got the Nomad up and running, activated two out of three of the alien monoliths.
I agree this just reeks of red tape for the sole purpose of red tape. I mean, the Tempest has been going nowhere for how long now? Why don't they already know what its inventory is?
I'd really like to know how Vetra pulls strings to get that kid out of cryo though, or if she was just blowing smoke.
Yeah that scene always seemed silly to me. It would have been nice to get some sort of feedback re whether the kid did get released early.
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Post by Curious Crow on Feb 11, 2018 23:54:25 GMT
On the subject of the Cryo kid, I wonder if the Ben who chimes in during the final fight is the same guy? He is talking to Kandros and I don't remember meeting any other Ben on the Nexus (I mean, I'm sure there are more of them but just don't remember having me them). Could be a signal that Vetra was good on her word, maybe?
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Post by dazk on Feb 12, 2018 1:24:06 GMT
On the subject of the Cryo kid, I wonder if the Ben who chimes in during the final fight is the same guy? He is talking to Kandros and I don't remember meeting any other Ben on the Nexus (I mean, I'm sure there are more of them but just don't remember having me them). Could be a signal that Vetra was good on her word, maybe? I must admit I am usually too caught up in driving the Nomad at that stage and then combat to have ever been fully aware of all the people helping. Someone once wrote a list of all the people but I can't be bothered trying to find it. I know I heard Codey Holdren (the merchant on Havarl) once without ever seeing her. I don't remember hearing the name Ben but as I said I may have just missed it, would be cool if that was the case though.
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Post by dazk on Feb 12, 2018 1:35:44 GMT
So yesterday continued on with Voeld, had planned to go do the Kett Command Centre but was reminded by melbella about getting the mission from the historian re Angaran First Contact before I did and then got caught up clearing missions as I travelled the map. The game played nice and all the random missions popped at various sights so I can complete the already. Pic's: Cool shot of the Nomad as a forward station lands: Closest I have been to death for a while, had some Kett that weren't taking damage and I was being too gung ho Cora asked for a rest stop So while Jaal got out jumped up and down and ran around the car Ryder took a tourist shot:
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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2018 2:27:06 GMT
So despite only doing two and a half hours of gameplay I got a lot done so it might take me a while to get all the details sorted. And I have been pretty neglectful of posting the pics I have been taking this PT.
Personal Log, Robert Ryder, Pathfinder.
Mission Day: 180
I feel dirty with myself. Supporting the Iniative like this, but Addison was right. The Three Sabers were authorized by Nexus leadership, at least by Addison. Now, I am complicate in a cover up. But, in the end of the day she was actually right. I have sacrificed too much, and frankly as much as I occasionally despise our leadership for the moment they are the only game in town. And for the moment we cannot afford a repeat. We cannot afford to risk our alliance eiwht the Angarra. *sigh*. Shit if anyone ever reads these logs for historical posterity I am sure they will find them most illuminating. Hopefully if any of this comes to light it will be so far in the future no one will care.
In other news the waters around Dr. Aden continues to get murky. While investigating an apartment ran into the Salarian tenet...who said basically the Salarian STG agent was crazy. *sigh* I do not know what to believe but I suppose I need to follow this through to conclusion. In for a penny, in for a pound right?
Meanwhile Kandros invited me to a seminar on fighting the kett and other threats, demonstrating my tactics to them so they can use them in the field. So, my profiles and my tactis...which I decided to copy down here for posterity. First of all 'Exploration Profile' Overload, Barricade, Assault Turret. Primarily useful in the open expanses of Heleus where you can bring your own cover or for setting up defenses, alternatively also useful against Attendants. With their ability to kill you at close range you need the extra firepower and to stay at a distance. 'Technical Warrior' consisting of Energy Drain, Tactical Cloak, and concussive shot. Good alternative and general use profile, but also good against the Remnant specifically. 'Mad Bomber' Trip Mine, Tactical Cloak, Turbocharge. Pure offense, cloak, place down trip mines amongst enemies, and clear the room with turbocharge. Good for clearing out rooms or when you need extra firepower. 'Kett warrior' Energy Drain, Turbo Charge, concussive shot. Good when you run out of trip mines or if you need to fight the Kett.
Finished the day with Cassandra. I had Cora over to meet her...well they've met before, but not in this new light. It was nice, awkward at first. Cass was a bit of a tease about it. But, it felt like a good break from all the pathfinder. Which, since Suvi has told me the Ghost Storm tech will be finished by week's end, we will be back at it soon.
Mission Day: 184
Got to the bottom of the mystery. Doctor Aden duped me. I ran into the real Salarian Major. But, we have set a trap for the Doctor.
Meanwhile Peebee has tracked down her bot to a remote planet. I hope to have this mess with Kalinda resolved soon.
Mission Day: 188
And back to wondering what the hell I have been doing with my life. I set Doctor Aden free. In exchange for the Kett data. Sure Major Salen could be right, we may not ever be able to put this intel into use and verify it. But again, if it can stop Exaltation. If it can stop anyone of us being turned into a nightmare, then it is worth the risk. I hate myself for doing it. But, I have to.
Peebee meanwhile hijacked us, jetisoned us onto the middle of a volcano. And Kallinda was there. Needless to say after fighting through the Remnant and Kallinda's mercs, I killed her. Peebee had a chance to save her, but the data was more important. And after what she put me through I was not just going to go to all that risk for nothing, consider it part of her punishment. But, in the end, we did get the data and Peebee is happy with it.
Mission Day: 193
It was the best of days, it was the worse of days.
Khi Tessera was not actually Meridian. It started there but the Jaardan, the builders of the Remnant, had to evacuate it to keep it safe. We learned a lot, the Scourage originated there, the Angarra are a created race, but...it was a huge setback. I thought this would be the last big step. But, now we are back to square one. At least for now, Suvi says she got something.
On the other hand we handed the Kett a major defeat. We proved, even to the inept Iniative leadership, that we could tangle with them and win. They noticed and commended me...it was good and has been a long time coming. Just a small squad of determined soldiers was able to defeat them. (With an assist from the Remnant). Regardless, there is hope now. Things are starting to really come together after the last six months, all the sacrifices, the moral conundrums, they might pay fruit soon.
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...And thus the adventures of Robert Ryder, the most renegade character I have ever created continues. Ironically enough though as much as it does give me (and by some extension) squemishness to play him, he still might be my favrite.
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Post by melbella on Feb 12, 2018 2:32:49 GMT
A true renegade wouldn't feel bad about or second guess those choices.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2018 2:42:56 GMT
A true renegade wouldn't feel bad about or second guess those choices. Maybe? I mean its kind of the same weird relationship I had when watching Continiuum. Keira Cameron, and even Alec Sadler later in the show did a lot of questionable shit to achieve their objectives in the show and it made me feel uncomfortable as hell watching it sometimes but couldn't help but still really love both characters. God Continiuum was a great show. And, at least Keira, you could tell she regretted her choices at times and felt uncomfortable with them too, or was in such a moral quandry about trying to get back to her son. I think the same principle can apply here, I mean maybe I am projecting my own morality onto the character where it should not be placed for the good of the character but at the end I think someone who does things and then regrets them might add more complexity to it. And based on the memoirs and things of that nature I have read from former United States Special Forces I do know that such thoughts aren't...lets see...unheard of. In the end though he is the most renegade character I have ever created. More or less. I mean Abigail did shoot that one Turian politician in one playthrough once.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 12, 2018 2:59:26 GMT
On the subject of the Cryo kid, I wonder if the Ben who chimes in during the final fight is the same guy? He is talking to Kandros and I don't remember meeting any other Ben on the Nexus (I mean, I'm sure there are more of them but just don't remember having me them). Could be a signal that Vetra was good on her word, maybe? I must admit I am usually too caught up in driving the Nomad at that stage and then combat to have ever been fully aware of all the people helping. Someone once wrote a list of all the people but I can't be bothered trying to find it. I know I heard Codey Holdren (the merchant on Havarl) once without ever seeing her. I don't remember hearing the name Ben but as I said I may have just missed it, would be cool if that was the case though. Ben tries to stop you from leaving the Nexus the very first time you head to the Tempest. He's unavoidable.
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Post by dazk on Feb 12, 2018 3:01:07 GMT
So despite only doing two and a half hours of gameplay I got a lot done so it might take me a while to get all the details sorted. And I have been pretty neglectful of posting the pics I have been taking this PT. *** ...And thus the adventures of Robert Ryder, the most renegade character I have ever created continues. Ironically enough though as much as it does give me (and by some extension) squemishness to play him, he still might be my favrite. That's funny I have read none of your posts (all of which I have enjoyed) as Renegade, rather a practical Ryder making sound if difficult decisions that sometimes cross a moral line. My favourite Ryder was female, and who tried to choose different types of answers based on that decisions situation. I didn't set out to be paragon or renegade or casual and laid back or serious and earnest etc. She just looked at the situation and decided purely on that and I guess who it involved. Kalinda is a tough one for me because PeeBee seems to want (based on her dialogue) to save her. I have only shot her once and PeeBee made me feel bad talking afterwards. However Kalinda is an ass and deserves to be shot. So its a difficult decision cause you never really get to know the value of the Remnant piece you get. I am thinking not shooting her in so many PT's will bite me on the butt WHEN (power of positive thinking) they make a sequel
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Post by dazk on Feb 12, 2018 3:05:26 GMT
I must admit I am usually too caught up in driving the Nomad at that stage and then combat to have ever been fully aware of all the people helping. Someone once wrote a list of all the people but I can't be bothered trying to find it. I know I heard Codey Holdren (the merchant on Havarl) once without ever seeing her. I don't remember hearing the name Ben but as I said I may have just missed it, would be cool if that was the case though. Ben tries to stop you from leaving the Nexus the very first time you head to the Tempest. He's unavoidable. Hey dmc1001 Yeah I know who he is, we were discussing that Curious Crow had heard someone name a person helping in the final battle "Ben" and we were wondering if it is the Ben who try's to stop you from leaving
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 12, 2018 3:08:18 GMT
Kalinda is a tough one for me because PeeBee seems to want (based on her dialogue) to save her. I have only shot her once and PeeBee made me feel bad talking afterwards. However Kalinda is an ass and deserves to be shot. So its a difficult decision cause you never really get to know the value of the Remnant piece you get. I am thinking not shooting her in so many PT's will bite me on the butt WHEN (power of positive thinking) they make a sequel If only you could respond, after shooting Kalinda: "Now you don't owe me for the escape pod you trashed."
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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2018 3:09:45 GMT
So despite only doing two and a half hours of gameplay I got a lot done so it might take me a while to get all the details sorted. And I have been pretty neglectful of posting the pics I have been taking this PT. *** ...And thus the adventures of Robert Ryder, the most renegade character I have ever created continues. Ironically enough though as much as it does give me (and by some extension) squemishness to play him, he still might be my favrite. That's funny I have read none of your posts (all of which I have enjoyed) as Renegade, rather a practical Ryder making sound if difficult decisions that sometimes cross a moral line. My favourite Ryder was female, and who tried to choose different types of answers based on that decisions situation. I didn't set out to be paragon or renegade or casual and laid back or serious and earnest etc. She just looked at the situation and decided purely on that and I guess who it involved. Kalinda is a tough one for me because PeeBee seems to want (based on her dialogue) to save her. I have only shot her once and PeeBee made me feel bad talking afterwards. However Kalinda is an ass and deserves to be shot. So its a difficult decision cause you never really get to know the value of the Remnant piece you get. I am thinking not shooting her in so many PT's will bite me on the butt WHEN (power of positive thinking) they make a sequel I tend to go the same direction too, I do not go and do things purely based on morality system, but character. Abigail was a paragrade. Just Robert may be the most Renegade character I have created. And sure, both Abigail and he are very practical characters but ocassionally Robert does cross that line. basically killing all the unarmed people he has (Spender, Aroane, Kallinda), in general Abigail came to have the character that she would do what must be done to defeat the enemy and then just shake hands and go their seperate ways, Robert views himself as 'I am the law'. In the end I think the one reason I made Robert such a bad boy is because of all the 'you can't make Ryder renegade' commentary I see on here, it annoyed me so much that I might have pushed his character a bit...but it does create an interesting one. Aside from the Paragon renegade thing, I tend to view and prefer morality as the DnD system. Abigail (and a lot of my characters) tend to be Chaotic Good, or Lawful Good. Robert is actually, by the end of the game, Chaotic Neutral.
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Post by melbella on Feb 12, 2018 3:12:22 GMT
Heh, even boyfriend Ryder made her pay for the escape pod, while of course offering to share his room with her in the meantime.
(Hey, those things aren't cheap!)
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Post by dazk on Feb 12, 2018 3:18:32 GMT
That's funny I have read none of your posts (all of which I have enjoyed) as Renegade, rather a practical Ryder making sound if difficult decisions that sometimes cross a moral line. My favourite Ryder was female, and who tried to choose different types of answers based on that decisions situation. I didn't set out to be paragon or renegade or casual and laid back or serious and earnest etc. She just looked at the situation and decided purely on that and I guess who it involved. Kalinda is a tough one for me because PeeBee seems to want (based on her dialogue) to save her. I have only shot her once and PeeBee made me feel bad talking afterwards. However Kalinda is an ass and deserves to be shot. So its a difficult decision cause you never really get to know the value of the Remnant piece you get. I am thinking not shooting her in so many PT's will bite me on the butt WHEN (power of positive thinking) they make a sequel I tend to go the same direction too, I do not go and do things purely based on morality system, but character. Abigail was a paragrade. Just Robert may be the most Renegade character I have created. And sure, both Abigail and he are very practical characters but ocassionally Robert does cross that line. basically killing all the unarmed people he has (Spender, Aroane, Kallinda), in general Abigail came to have the character that she would do what must be done to defeat the enemy and then just shake hands and go their seperate ways, Robert views himself as 'I am the law'. In the end I think the one reason I made Robert such a bad boy is because of all the 'you can't make Ryder renegade' commentary I see on here, it annoyed me so much that I might have pushed his character a bit...but it does create an interesting one. Aside from the Paragon renegade thing, I tend to view and prefer morality as the DnD system. Abigail (and a lot of my characters) tend to be Chaotic Good, or Lawful Good. Robert is actually, by the end of the game, Chaotic Neutral. Yeah I see where your coming from, I obviously just didn't read it that way. I wonder if its because I have made the same decisions yet justified it differently to myself when I am playing, will have to be a little more self analytical when playing today!!!
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Post by dazk on Feb 12, 2018 3:21:09 GMT
Heh, even boyfriend Ryder made her pay for the escape pod, while of course offering to share his room with her in the meantime.
(Hey, those things aren't cheap!) Hahahaha You scrooge you, let Tann pay for it I have never made her pay for the escape pod even in the one game where I totally ignored her advances and went with the answers I thought she'd like least
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Post by dazk on Feb 12, 2018 3:23:57 GMT
Kalinda is a tough one for me because PeeBee seems to want (based on her dialogue) to save her. I have only shot her once and PeeBee made me feel bad talking afterwards. However Kalinda is an ass and deserves to be shot. So its a difficult decision cause you never really get to know the value of the Remnant piece you get. I am thinking not shooting her in so many PT's will bite me on the butt WHEN (power of positive thinking) they make a sequel If only you could respond, after shooting Kalinda: "Now you don't owe me for the escape pod you trashed." Actually, if I have one beef with MEA in some of the dialogues there are blatantly obvious answers that the game doesn't let you give. Its quite annoying. PeeBee: "Why did you shoot her Ryder?" Obvious answer cause she has been a pain in the arse and has been trying to kill us for the whole damn game!!!!! I can't remember what the actual dialogue choices were.
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Post by melbella on Feb 12, 2018 3:26:35 GMT
What's to analyze? Spender is an ass - exile him! Roane is a tool - let him drop.
The tougher decisions for me were the hide/tell the truth ones, especially my last game where I mostly hid the truth. I encouraged the angara historian to not reveal what we discovered about first contact, kept Sarissa's secret, lied about the satellites, didn't reveal the 3 Sabers connection to the Nexus, and took the kett data deal with Aden.
Those were all first time decisions for me since I'd always gone the other route before. The only one I didn't really like was the satellite one but only because I didn't see an actual benefit from it via codex or something else (SAM's say-so about data wasn't enough for me).
And of course, thanks to Dad, Ryder is sitting on the biggest secret of all: what happened in the MW with the Reapers.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 12, 2018 3:27:05 GMT
I tend to go the same direction too, I do not go and do things purely based on morality system, but character. Abigail was a paragrade. Just Robert may be the most Renegade character I have created. And sure, both Abigail and he are very practical characters but ocassionally Robert does cross that line. basically killing all the unarmed people he has (Spender, Aroane, Kallinda), in general Abigail came to have the character that she would do what must be done to defeat the enemy and then just shake hands and go their seperate ways, Robert views himself as 'I am the law'. In the end I think the one reason I made Robert such a bad boy is because of all the 'you can't make Ryder renegade' commentary I see on here, it annoyed me so much that I might have pushed his character a bit...but it does create an interesting one. Aside from the Paragon renegade thing, I tend to view and prefer morality as the DnD system. Abigail (and a lot of my characters) tend to be Chaotic Good, or Lawful Good. Robert is actually, by the end of the game, Chaotic Neutral. Yeah I see where your coming from, I obviously just didn't read it that way. I wonder if its because I have made the same decisions yet justified it differently to myself when I am playing, will have to be a little more self analytical when playing today!!! that's part of it though. The reason for a decision can make it paragon or renegade. Kallinda killing for instance. If you shoot her for the data that is not necessarily renegade...but Robert shot her to punish Peebee too.
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Post by dazk on Feb 12, 2018 3:34:35 GMT
What's to analyze? Spender is an ass - exile him! Roane is a tool - let him drop.
The tougher decisions for me were the hide/tell the truth ones, especially my last game where I mostly hid the truth. I encouraged the angara historian to not reveal what we discovered about first contact, kept Sarissa's secret, lied about the satellites, didn't reveal the 3 Sabers connection to the Nexus, and took the kett data deal with Aden.
Those were all first time decisions for me since I'd always gone the other route before. The only one I didn't really like was the satellite one but only because I didn't see an actual benefit from it via codex or something else (SAM's say-so about data wasn't enough for me).
And of course, thanks to Dad, Ryder is sitting on the biggest secret of all: what happened in the MW with the Reapers.
I agree, with Maariko I think it is tougher lying to him because he seems like such an innocent and he SO wants the Initiative to be a positive influence. Spender and Aroane I have no hesitation in them dying or dying by exile, they are both parasites who have sabotaged The Initiative. Had never thought about the MW thing like that. To me it would serve no purpose telling people given the state the Initiative is at end game, same as I agree with that historian on Voeld not sharing that the Angara had helped the Kett during first contact.
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Post by dazk on Feb 12, 2018 3:35:36 GMT
Yeah I see where your coming from, I obviously just didn't read it that way. I wonder if its because I have made the same decisions yet justified it differently to myself when I am playing, will have to be a little more self analytical when playing today!!! that's part of it though. The reason for a decision can make it paragon or renegade. Kallinda killing for instance. If you shoot her for the data that is not necessarily renegade...but Robert shot her to punish Peebee too. Thanks for clarifying it. I'll have to not rush when I am reading your logs!!!!!
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Post by melbella on Feb 12, 2018 3:42:13 GMT
I agree at this point in time it serves no purpose to tell people, but the weight of it? Being the ONLY person, possibly, in Andromeda who knows that? It has to influence Ryder's decision making in some way from the time s/he learns it. It might even be what spurs Ryder to push ahead for Meridian despite the Nexus leaders saying no.
The end of Technomancer is a bit like that. As one, you swear an oath to "find Earth." But (spoilers for those who haven't played but may want to)
when you finally find Earth, you learn it was destroyed. Then you have to decide, do you tell everyone? And if you don't, that's a heavy burden to bear, knowing no help is coming yet seeing everyone else still hoping that it is.
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Post by dazk on Feb 12, 2018 3:48:33 GMT
I agree at this point in time it serves no purpose to tell people, but the weight of it? Being the ONLY person, possibly, in Andromeda who knows that? It has to influence Ryder's decision making in some way from the time s/he learns it. It might even be what spurs Ryder to push ahead for Meridian despite the Nexus leaders saying no.
The end of Technomancer is a bit like that. As one, you swear an oath to "find Earth." But (spoilers for those who haven't played but may want to)
when you finally find Earth, you learn it was destroyed. Then you have to decide, do you tell everyone? And if you don't, that's a heavy burden to bear, knowing no help is coming yet seeing everyone else still hoping that it is.
Does Ryder tell their twin? I don't think they do, do they, so yeah it'd be a huge burden but surely not long after end game it would become relevant to say something as I'd assume they'd be close to at least trying to establish contact with the MW.
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Post by melbella on Feb 12, 2018 3:52:13 GMT
I think you can sort of tell the twin but you have to save the convo about "Dad keeping secrets" until after listening to all the logs. I usually forget to wait that long but I have done it before.
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Post by dazk on Feb 12, 2018 3:55:35 GMT
I think you can sort of tell the twin but you have to save the convo about "Dad keeping secrets" until after listening to all the logs. I usually forget to wait that long but I have done it before. Yeah I remember the "Dad's been keeping secrets" convo. But they don't actually come out and say hey in the MW....... do they?
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