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Post by laxian on Mar 24, 2017 13:31:09 GMT
All this "you aren't qualified" and attitude from a woman who has presided over a complete disaster and been unable to establish a single colony. Ryder lacks enough attitude, at least early on. I don't want Addison's respect, I want her to shove off. *finds himself nodding* SPOILER-WARNING (nothing really important like endings etc. (so no Spoiler-Box!) - but still) Addison really rubs me wrong, but maybe the incompetence etc. is kind of wanted (the competent leaders seem all dead, which is "convenient"...maybe Alec's memories and logs (have all but the last one of those logs...and I don't know how many memories left) reveal something about this (benefactor - enough said!)) Yeah, the game - for me - seems to lack interrupts (I've had 4-6 so far...let me count: Pushing Peebee off (which I didn't do), that Sloan Kelly thing (letting her get killed or not etc.) that's 2, hugging Sara, shooting that Kett bitch in the exaltation base...and one more I think (don't remember exactly))...in 30 hours so far that's not very much! greetings LAX
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Post by jastall on Mar 25, 2017 4:47:09 GMT
Ha, don't even get me started here, because "I" in "AI" clearly stands for "Incompetence". I do fear however that writers didn't realize how dumb some of their characters and problems are. Heh, I'm tempted to call the Nexus's leadership (specifically Addison and Tann) as the Council 2.0. or slightly less insufferable version of it. Granted, I do enjoy the politics plot or how each leader has their own motivation, even Kesh who's more compassionate prioritize her peoples' interest first. With that being said, I share your fear as the writers don't seem to know how to write a "flawed" character properly, and they underestimate the problem that was cause by those supposedly flawed characters. At least it's explained by all the competent leadership being, you know, dead. While the Council really was supposed to be the best and brightest of their respective races.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 25, 2017 11:42:43 GMT
No, no I don't. I agree with her on half the things she says and does, and the half I don't I can at least understand.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 25, 2017 12:03:26 GMT
No, no I don't. I agree with her on half the things she says and does, and the half I don't I can at least understand. My take on the subject is even when she makes a good point, she loses points for handling it. Basically, the first conversation goes like this, Addison: "You're the Pathfinder? HA! You just got it through nepotism and it's not meant to be hereditary! We have real problems and we need them fixed! You can't claim the title of Pathfinder and you have neither my respect nor trust." Me: *sniffle* When it should go: Me: "My father died an hour ago doing the job he came here to do and I, along with my team, have more experience than any other person on this space station because it's a job which literally did not exist until we came here. I also gave you the electricity to keep the lights on by bringing my ship here which is more than you've accomplished in a year. So shut the hell up before I negotiate the price of my help being throwing your ass out an airlock."
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 25, 2017 12:08:37 GMT
No, no I don't. I agree with her on half the things she says and does, and the half I don't I can at least understand. My take on the subject is even when she makes a good point, she loses points for handling it. Basically, the first conversation goes like this, Addison: "You're the Pathfinder? HA! You just got it through nepotism and it's not meant to be hereditary! We have real problems and we need them fixed! You can't claim the title of Pathfinder and you have neither my respect nor trust." Me: *sniffle* When it should go: Me: "My father died an hour ago doing the job he came here to do and I, along with my team, have more experience than any other person on this ship because it's a job which literally did not exist until we came here. I also gave you the electricity to keep the lights on by bringing my ship here which is more than you've accomplished in a year. So shut the hell up before I negotiate the price of my help being throwing your ass out an airlock." While I agree that in the beginning of the game she "is too tired for face" as she puts it, considering the situation I understood her being stressed out which made her snappy. Like you said she could have handled it better, but she was absolutely right about us. I like how her character develops throughout the game as we prove ourselves, warming up to us and even apologizing and admitting she was wrong about us. I have to disagree with your response only in the sense that Ryder doesn't deserves credit for that stuff you mentioned. That credit belongs to Captain Dunn(awesome character) and the Hyperion's crew like Lani.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 25, 2017 13:29:10 GMT
I have to disagree with your response only in the sense that Ryder doesn't deserves credit for that stuff you mentioned. That credit belongs to Captain Dunn(awesome character) and the Hyperion's crew like Lani. Yup. Didn't Ryder pull a Prothean beacon and sleep most of the way to the Nexus?
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Post by ravenous on Mar 25, 2017 15:23:18 GMT
the only thing I didn't like about Addison is that she starts to knitpick and complain when your character Ryder a pathfinder finally shows up and oh I so really wanted to tell her off
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Post by Eshaye on Mar 26, 2017 14:00:00 GMT
I've counted at least six times where I could some Renegade enlightenment. Like these "Wake up my mom now!" protesters. For Shepherd's sake, I woke up soldiers to fight Kett on this goddamn radioactive wasteland while you are sitting in comfort on Nexus. One more word and I will wake up your dear mommy, give both of you rifles and send you running after kett in a desert. Ryder is such a wimp at times. I hate a lot of minor characters from the Nexus, they literally done nothing to help you or the Initiative find a home or colonize a planet. They treated you like an arse, and demand you must do things for them. They vent their anger on you who haven't done anything to them, and is possibly their only hope. As much as I can sympathize and understand their frustration. It's impossible to use logic to explain why wake up a non-essential person, when the resources are tight and the Nexus is barely keeping it together is not that simple. I've wanted to see a dialogue like "Ok, then explain what make your families so special? There's a lot more people who's dying to see their families, but they have enough patience and sense to wait. Are you going to volunteer to help the colony on the frontier or do some extra work for the Nexus in return, if I woke your families up? Did you pull your own weight or any weight at all? No? Then bugger off! Bunch of spoiled freeloaders. If this is an RPG game with expanded dialogue system. You can bet one of the option is possible for Ryder to grow a spine and scold them. Shit...... It's like .... Real life.. The masses are stupid and demanding and treat those trying to help like crap.
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Post by Darkstarr11 on Mar 26, 2017 16:35:23 GMT
I love Foster Addison. She's the first character who didn't seem to think the sun shined out of Alec Ryder's ass. I 100% agree with her "You're not really a pathfinder until you've path-found something" bit. I liked her poetic skepticism, and the fact that she left a cushy job she was satisfied with in the Milky Way is honestly hilarious. First character that didn't seem like a total cardboard cutout to me. The Friends of Foster Addison Bandwagon will grow... mark my words! The only thing she really needs is a monetary settlement from her surgeon for the botched botox treatment. I thought she had a stroke. Though, honestly, NOT a fan of Addison, especially after reading Nexus Uprising. Using someones personal name in a fashion such as that is very disrespectful. Guy WAS an N7, and it was Garson who made him the Pathfinder. Get the feeling she just straight out disliked him (and the military) from the start. Also, WHY am I doing her job again? There has GOT to be someone better qualified...I like Tann more than I like her, and that's saying something. She makes Khalisah bint Sinan al-Jilani, intrepid repor*coughpaparazzi*ter seem practically warm, friendly and down right cuddly in comparison. Also, LITTLE heavy on the make up there, didn't work in the Milky Way, ain't gonna work in Andromeda...
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 26, 2017 17:44:36 GMT
Addison and Tann both need a boot up their asses. Also, the captain of the Hyperion. Put Kandros or Kesh in charge - or both, maybe.
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Post by yokyok on Mar 26, 2017 18:25:52 GMT
The bad animation and horrendous makeup is punishment enough for me.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 26, 2017 21:22:27 GMT
Me: "My father died an hour ago doing the job he came here to do and I, along with my team, have more experience than any other person on this ship because it's a job which literally did not exist until we came here. I also gave you the electricity to keep the lights on by bringing my ship here which is more than you've accomplished in a year. So shut the hell up before I negotiate the price of my help being throwing your ass out an airlock." While I agree that in the beginning of the game she "is too tired for face" as she puts it, considering the situation I understood her being stressed out which made her snappy. Like you said she could have handled it better, but she was absolutely right about us. I like how her character develops throughout the game as we prove ourselves, warming up to us and even apologizing and admitting she was wrong about us. I have to disagree with your response only in the sense that Ryder doesn't deserves credit for that stuff you mentioned. That credit belongs to Captain Dunn(awesome character) and the Hyperion's crew like Lani. Eh, Ryder is still the nominal head of the Hyperion ark. Also, bluntly, he's connected to SAM and SAM is the system. It's unearned authority but that's everywhere in this FUBAR mission.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 26, 2017 21:48:43 GMT
While I agree that in the beginning of the game she "is too tired for face" as she puts it, considering the situation I understood her being stressed out which made her snappy. Like you said she could have handled it better, but she was absolutely right about us. I like how her character develops throughout the game as we prove ourselves, warming up to us and even apologizing and admitting she was wrong about us. I have to disagree with your response only in the sense that Ryder doesn't deserves credit for that stuff you mentioned. That credit belongs to Captain Dunn(awesome character) and the Hyperion's crew like Lani. Eh, Ryder is still the nominal head of the Hyperion ark. Also, bluntly, he's connected to SAM and SAM is the system. It's unearned authority but that's everywhere in this FUBAR mission. No, the Pathfinder is not the head of the Ark. The Pathfinder is only in charge of the Pathfinder team while the captain is in charge of the ship. We see this with the asari and salarian Arks where the captain has say over the Pathfinder in what the ship should do. Even when Alec tries to pressure Dunn in the beginning, it is only for him to launch his team rather than command Hyperion. And as pointed out, Ryder is in no position to order anyone since we are unconscious until pretty much right before we dock. We never ordered the Hyperion to go to the Nexus.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 27, 2017 6:30:28 GMT
Director Tann is the leader of the Initiative. His say goes, except he's in such a precarious political position that he will let others go.
Superintendent Kesh is otherwise in charge of the Nexus. Her say is adhered to to keep the center of Heleus non-Angaran civilization going. Since the Nexus progression has been slow and the leader of Nexus Security gone, Kesh had also been in charge of that part.
Foster Addison is Director of Colonial Affairs. There may be other directorships than Tann and Addison, but that's for when the Nexus and colonies grow. Addison is at least technically, other than Tann, in charge of everything in the colonies, which are few to nil at first, but becomes substantial.
Arks have Captains and other ships have Captains. They're in charge of their ships.
Ryder is none of these things. Ryder is captain only of the Tempest. Ryder is involved with colonies only to the point he is allowed. Ryder is involved with the Nexus only to the point he is allowed.
Ryder may very well strain or overcome the rules by some insistence that his duties and responsibilities as Pathfinder overrule others, but this is not a Spectre role. They can't just say it and do it and others go ok sure, while the Council takes an observant role way above everyone else. Ryder would have to insist on its importance and after doing so, probably spending plenty of 'political capital' doing so. Because Ryder's authority only goes so high as Nexus leadership allows (in this case similar to dealings with the Council) but it also only goes as wide as the mission to find ways to settle homes for the Milky Way settlers, though this is pretty damn wide given the circumstances.
Ryder is not in charge of the Hyperion or any ship but the Tempest, and even that can be recalled by Nexus leadership. Ryder does have his team that he can pick and have most authority over, or perhaps more importantly, potential loyalty.
Because of the desperation of the Nexus in the start of MEA, they just send you off to do whatever you can do with the tools a Pathfinder is supposed to have. It is an unearned role but that's part of why you're regarded rather neutrally or disdainfully by many, but you get the role anyway because of how much SAM has already bonded to you, the respect people had for Alec, no one else quickly stepping in, and the more general competence you do have in terms of combat and exploring Habitat 7. You're barely accepted (even Tann is just considering you a tool) but you have the stuff that just may be better than everyone else so they may as well try with you before others.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 27, 2017 6:56:23 GMT
Ryder is none of these things. Ryder is captain only of the Tempest. Ryder is involved with colonies only to the point he is allowed. Ryder is involved with the Nexus only to the point he is allowed. Ryder may very well strain or overcome the rules by some insistence that his duties and responsibilities as Pathfinder overrule others, but this is not a Spectre role. They can't just say it and do it and others go ok sure, while the Council takes an observant role way above everyone else. Ryder would have to insist on its importance and after doing so, probably spending plenty of 'political capital' doing so. Because Ryder's authority only goes so high as Nexus leadership allows (in this case similar to dealings with the Council) but it also only goes as wide as the mission to find ways to settle homes for the Milky Way settlers, though this is pretty damn wide given the circumstances. Ryder is not in charge of the Hyperion or any ship but the Tempest, and even that can be recalled by Nexus leadership. Ryder does have his team that he can pick and have most authority over, or perhaps more importantly, potential loyalty. According to AI staff info, pathfinders report directly to Tann, while it doesn't put them above everyone else, they aren't obliged to follow Adsison's or anyone's else orders. Practically speaking, a Pathfinder is free to to do anything if it helps future colonization, but once outpost is established, Addison takes charge (through governors, which report to her). In game Ryder also gets control over APEX, but this one seems gamey tbh. In theory pathfinders are supposed to be glorified scouts, but under current circumstances they turn into some kind of Alpha APEX - raiding Kett bases, hunting criminals and activating Remnant machinery. So other departments naturally would like to be on good side with them.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 30, 2017 12:49:15 GMT
Well, APEX is more or less a compromise.
The big thing with Ryder is the Pathfinder is the only one who actually has a "ground's eye" view of the galaxy since the Nexus has been sitting there the entire time and has no idea what's out there. So, they trust you to deploy assets freely as the only person who knows what's going on.
The situation is a massive cluster**** so the Pathfinder becomes a paragon of their race and ambassador.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Mar 30, 2017 19:00:48 GMT
I'm still early in the game so I'm holding out hope for a Tann execution Renegade interrupt.
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Post by jjdxb on Mar 30, 2017 23:51:45 GMT
She's pissed because she was expecting a grizzled veteran, not his green kid. She's pissed because it's emblematic of what happened with the Nexus when it arrived. They didn't get their golden worlds/Pathfinder, just a pale imitation. That's literally the whole point of the main character arc. Habitat 7 was a bust, here have this stormy hellish backwater of a planet. Alec Ryder didn't make it, here, have this completely inexperienced kid who only got the job because they happened to be with their Dad when their visor broke.
And it's a good thing Addison and Tann are there, as much you may dislike them, if only to get the player character off their damn power trip.
Also, you were in a coma for most of the journey to the nexus. Alec was the one who got the shuttle teams off Habitat 7, Dunn was the one who got the Hyperion safely to dock. Ryder Jr. did jack shit, and the Nexus admin has no reason to bend over backwards to please you.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 31, 2017 2:23:01 GMT
I just think this game needs more interrupts in general. I miss ME2.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 31, 2017 8:40:42 GMT
Also, you were in a coma for most of the journey to the nexus. Alec was the one who got the shuttle teams off Habitat 7, Dunn was the one who got the Hyperion safely to dock. Ryder Jr. did jack shit, and the Nexus admin has no reason to bend over backwards to please you. Nor you obliged to listen to that crap, she's not your superior and didn't success in anything herself. Again, my problem is not with her, there is nothing wrong with characters which don't worship PC, but with Ryder here.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 18:00:54 GMT
I had to choose for a survey who my least favorite character was: the Archon or Foster.
I chose Foster because I realized I wasn't SUPPOSED to hate her.
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Post by Dean The Not-so Young on Apr 1, 2017 8:13:39 GMT
I actually liked Addison, in a 'I understand and sympathize with your predicament, and don't take it personally' sort of way. She's stressed. She wanted good news. Instead we provided her another bunch of problems, and expect help with ours when she's got nothing to offer.
All things considered, she's a good sport who does a good job. She's even self-aware that she's crabby.
Honestly, I wanted to offer to take her out for a drink, to help her relax.
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Post by shechinah on Apr 1, 2017 19:05:42 GMT
The funny thing about Addison is that at some point she turns into your fangirl and even starts asking for inspirational quotes. I cringe every time, lol. Guess that was meant as character development. I think those quotes are for historical documentation of the first colonies and PR for the public. It's not her asking because she needs or wants to hear them herself.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 1, 2017 19:20:50 GMT
The funny thing about Addison is that at some point she turns into your fangirl and even starts asking for inspirational quotes. I cringe every time, lol. Guess that was meant as character development. I think those quotes are for historical documentation of the first colonies and PR for the public. It's not her asking because she needs or wants to hear them herself. Let's be honest, though, does ANYONE think Addison should be in charge instead of Eos' leader?
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Post by shechinah on Apr 1, 2017 19:45:12 GMT
I think those quotes are for historical documentation of the first colonies and PR for the public. It's not her asking because she needs or wants to hear them herself. Let's be honest, though, does ANYONE think Addison should be in charge instead of Eos' leader? Come on, do we really need to punish Bradley for being competent?
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