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Post by raikas on Apr 3, 2017 17:07:53 GMT
Reyes on the other hand, is a 2-faced liar and cheat. IF you said with him, he doesn't even help you out in the final mission! After you put him in power!!! Sure he is charming as all hell, but you uses you only to further his own agenda. Once he has used you thats it. Not true. He does show up for the final mission if you side with him. There's no difference between Sloane versus Reyes in that element.
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Post by LightningPoodle on Apr 3, 2017 17:20:18 GMT
I actually kinda have the hots for Sloane so I saved her from that sniper. I did like Reyes, but the fucker wanted to cheat in a duel. You don't cheat in a duel! If you aren't confident you can win on your own, you shouldn't be part of that duel in the first place!
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Post by wildelight on Apr 3, 2017 17:35:58 GMT
I actually kinda have the hots for Sloane so I saved her from that sniper. I did like Reyes, but the fucker wanted to cheat in a duel. You don't cheat in a duel! If you aren't confident you can win on your own, you shouldn't be part of that duel in the first place! Because murder is only acceptable when it's done with a polite glove slap to the cheek and twenty paces betwixt 😒
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Post by sdzald on Apr 3, 2017 17:46:01 GMT
I actually kinda have the hots for Sloane so I saved her from that sniper. I did like Reyes, but the fucker wanted to cheat in a duel. You don't cheat in a duel! If you aren't confident you can win on your own, you shouldn't be part of that duel in the first place! Because murder is only acceptable when it's done with a polite glove slap to the cheek and twenty paces betwixt 😒 Well murder is never acceptable but their is a HUGE difference between an honorable duel and assassinating someone who has come to a 'peaceful' meeting. At least in a duel both parties agree to it and both have an equal chance. It has only been very recently that society has outlawed it. Heck many of Americas Founding Fathers, who most of us respect greatly, were involved in duels, Burr-Hamilton being one of the famous ones.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Apr 3, 2017 18:59:48 GMT
I swear some people take the honor duel thing way too seriously
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Post by jastall on Apr 3, 2017 19:04:38 GMT
I ultimately sided with Reyes because I figured that, while he IS a two-faced cheat, he still has the most to gain from allying with the Initiative. He wants trade, and friends to solidify his power base, he's smart enough to know that the Exiles cannot be lone wolves and need the Initiative more than they need him.
My second character, however, is is probably going to kill him. Reasoning being that it's better to have a predictable brute like Sloane in charge of the Exiles, rather than an intelligent but unpredictable liar.
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Post by quecojo on Apr 3, 2017 19:13:06 GMT
Reyes on the other hand, is a 2-faced liar and cheat. IF you said with him, he doesn't even help you out in the final mission! After you put him in power!!! Sure he is charming as all hell, but you uses you only to further his own agenda. Once he has used you thats it. Not true. He does show up for the final mission if you side with him. There's no difference between Sloane versus Reyes in that element. Ah, I didn't know that. Thank you for clarifying that. Still, I'd choose Sloan over Reyes.
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Post by Seera1024 on Apr 3, 2017 21:21:08 GMT
I swear some people take the honor duel thing way too seriously People value certain character traits differently, which is fine and perfectly normal.
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Post by caladrius on Apr 3, 2017 21:39:15 GMT
I've heard these lines of argument, and I'm not sure I agree. And as for whether Reyes is better for the Angara... This, to, comes down primarily two things: a figure-head Angaara to be his puppet-ruler, and a lack of public extortion for protection money. That's not what I base the assumption on. Keema says she works with Reyes against Sloane because Sloane never listened to her and just used her as a figurehead for the false impression that she cared about Angaran matters. She sees Reyes as a friend and believes he listens to her more than Sloane. You can talk to an Angaran at the collective base that says, after Sloane is dead, she joined the Collective to get rid of Sloane because of the way Sloane treated her people. She says she's happy with the results. Efvra at the resistance is happy with Sloane gone and the mayor of Aya talks about reaching out for renewed relations with Keema. Instead of Outcasts patroling the streets of the port, you see "local Angarans" in large numbers. That alone is pretty high acknowledgement that they have substantially increased presence and power, imo. There weren't even any Angara Outcasts that you can see, which I think is telling in comparison to the fact that a lot of Angara join the Collective. Your standpoint seems to be that every Angaran we talk to is just too stupid to know they don't have it better under Reyes, despite the fact that every one seems to think they do. I think it's simpler, and more respectful, to believe they know what's better for them. Reyes isn't perfect. Kadara is always going to have flaws, especially because the Nexus keeps sending all their criminals there. The evidence does suggest, imo, that Reyes is better for the Angara, however. I'm willing to take that from their own accounts and presence.
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Post by Dean The Not-so Young on Apr 3, 2017 23:17:44 GMT
I've heard these lines of argument, and I'm not sure I agree. And as for whether Reyes is better for the Angara... This, to, comes down primarily two things: a figure-head Angaara to be his puppet-ruler, and a lack of public extortion for protection money. That's not what I base the assumption on. Keema says she works with Reyes against Sloane because Sloane never listened to her and just used her as a figurehead for the false impression that she cared about Angaran matters. She sees Reyes as a friend and believes he listens to her more than Sloane. You can talk to an Angaran at the collective base that says, after Sloane is dead, she joined the Collective to get rid of Sloane because of the way Sloane treated her people. She says she's happy with the results. Efvra at the resistance is happy with Sloane gone and the mayor of Aya talks about reaching out for renewed relations with Keema. Instead of Outcasts patroling the streets of the port, you see "local Angarans" in large numbers. That alone is pretty high acknowledgement that they have substantially increased presence and power, imo. So a member of the Collective, and a key collaborator and personal friend of the Collective's leader, like that the Collective won. That doesn't strike you as a biased sample much? The Angaarans on Aya are a better case, but would be an even better case if we had an indication that they knew that the new mayor of Kadara wasn't actually the Angaran they think it is. What do you think the implication for Nexus-Angaran relations will be when they realize that the Nexus (via you) is installing puppet leaders on Angaran worlds? I don't deny that Keema will have more influence than she had against Sloane if only because Reyes probably won't care about many things of the day-to-day running of society, but the the stuff Reyes WILL care about, and the stuff Keema will be somewhere between complicit in or impotent against, will be the stuff that directly harms the Angarans in ways that Sloane didn't allow. Like, say, more muggings and robbery of Angarans. That crime is an equal opportunity employer? I think I noted that Sloane doesn't seem to let the Angara in the outcasts before, but be careful not to confuse 'employment' with 'pro-'. Criminal groups thrive on recruiting amongst the underclass, but that doesn't make them effective social movements. Criminal groups aren't charities, and enhancing the predominance of gangs amongst groups historically hinders and drags down groups with corruption that exploits the people they claim to be on the side of. *Citation needed. Which is funny, since you'd think I'd remember my own standpoint- which wasn't that Angarans were stupid. I work in a field in which what people think is best for them quite frequently isn't. It's not a matter of being respectful- it's a matter of realizing that history is replete with how social dynamics play out past pretensions. Corruption in particular is one of those things of how short-term thinking offers long-term costs, because it can easily be directly self-benefiting while having huge cumulative costs that impede entire societies. Corruption hurts the most vulnerable- that's just the nature of exploitation being most effective against those with the least power to resist it, which the rich and powerful aren't. At the same time, the history of 'pro-X' criminal groups shows that they're extremely rarely successful in advancing said group, and quite frequently detrimental. Which criminal profit ties into ideology, profit almost inevitably conquers- especially when black market trading and smuggling factors in. If you put your faith in a criminal group on the grounds that you think it's a benign social force, you're demonstrating a reckless disregard for the welfare of vulnerable populations. Your evidence that Reyes is better for the Angara rests largely on the opinions of a few Angarans who are either employed collaborators of a criminal cartel, or outsiders who don't know that the Nexus pathfinder is establishing puppet states with Angaran collaborators. Your evidence does not include specific policies that protect or improve the quality of life of the Angarans, besides walking around in greater number... which wasn't exactly forbidden in the first place. Your evidence for weighing better and worse notable fails to include demonstrable harms to Angarans that come from an immediate decreases to public safety, shadow judicial system of disappearances and torture, and an increase in crime. Kadara may always have flaws, but the flaws don't have to be criminals preying on people in the streets or robbing them of their merchandise and ability to conduct business- because Sloane was pushing it out and away from the port. That benefits the Angarans in a very real way- and you're not making a clear case as to why that's worse than the benefits of an Angaran puppet ruler complicit with the criminal overlord. Evidence requires specifics, not a smattering of opinions by people who have an interest on being aligned with the winning side.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 5, 2017 9:23:13 GMT
I think it's important to acknowledge the Collective isn't actually helping the Angara. They're still ruling from behind the scenes. However, they put on the APPEARANCE of helping them while lining their pockets and have removed the more overt brutality. Reyes is dishonorable scum and my Ryder actually felt WORSE about siding with him after all the bonding they did before he used Ryder to murder his rival.
But he smiled and pretended friendship.
It's a bad situation but the Angarans are happier under Reyes than Sloane despite the changes being mostly symbolic.
Politics is made of this sort of thing.
Basically, the difference between directly controlling a region and installing a puppet.
In the end, my Ryder was a politician who used good publicity as well as ruthlessness in equal measure to eliminate his enemies. It's why he destroyed Sarissa.
Other Ryders would hate Reyes for his dishonestly and faking their friendship.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 18:50:01 GMT
I let Reyes kill Sloane.
Sloane was partly responsible for the Nexus uprising that killed countless people on both sides, she's unnecessarily hostile towards Ryder even if you help her or fix the planet's water problem, she runs a protection racket and forces people who can't pay out into the badlands, treats the native Angarans like scum, and won't tolerate an Initiative settlement on Kadara unless she can extract extortion fees from it.
Reyes may be a scheming snake but he's the better choice, at least in that he's willing to allow the Initiative settlement to exist without an extortion fee and even provides some protection for it, and has cosier relations with the Angaran natives.
I did feel bad for Sloane's Turian bodyguard.
The Kadara choice reminded me of Orzammar in Dragon Age: Origins. The choices were similar. Like Bhelen Reyes is the better big picture choice as far as the hub's politics go, but is more power-hungry. duplicitous, and brutal than his rival. Like Bhelen Reyes is also the more progressive of the two. While Sloane isn't as bigoted as Harrowmont, under her rule there is a class divide between the Milky Way and Andromeda species, with the Angarans on the bottom rung. Reyes, like Bhelen, overturns that by giving the downtrodden more power.
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Post by commandcodes on Apr 5, 2017 20:25:56 GMT
Sloane is better*. I like Reyes, but he is no king
* If we pretend that she is believable
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 5, 2017 21:35:02 GMT
I went with Reyes. His cunning and resourcefulness earned my respect. While I can respect someone who takes over a place and puts bloody heads on spikes as a warning, Sloane was clearly being outplayed by Reyes, and you can't afford weak allies in Heleus. Sloane projected strength but didn't actually have any.
Aside from that, Sloane becoming a drug kingpin was a bit of a nail in the coffin.
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Post by blanks on Apr 6, 2017 3:55:21 GMT
If you read Nexus Uprising you can make a case that Tann and Spender are more at fault for the Uprising than anyone else. Sloane had peeled off to talk Calix into a peaceful solution when Tann got impatient, thawed the Krogan out of cryo, and sent them to go handle it. She didn't really have much of a choice when limbs/bullets were flying and she was on the wrong side of the barricade. She surrendered the entire crew as soon as she linked up with Kesh because Morda was not taking prisoners.
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Post by vixzer on May 2, 2017 14:09:57 GMT
I guess I'm the only one who stuck with Sloane. Vidal seemed like a duplicitous sleaze bucket from the word go plus he looked like he used the same preset as me in the character creator so I decided there was only room for one of us in Heleus. Can't believe Ryder missed the open shot. Also pretty rich that that asshole had the gall to write an e-mail calling Ryder a jerk for taking a shot after the stunt he pulled on Sloane "One on One! A duel with honor!" Sloane might be a hard ass, but she cares about purging the Kett and you'll always know where you stand with her. Also pretty glad about how she handled that Asari who wanted to attack the Nexus. Elona I think was her name? I sided with Sloane too in both playthroughs Reason n1: I agree with you, she is a hard ass and because of this the Exiles survived all this time and she managed also to take Kadara Port from the Kett. Reason n2: Sloane, for all her faults, demonstrated to still have honor and be somewhat trustworthy something that Reyes does not have and by that Duel I can see that he cannot be trusted Reason n3: Is cute to see her getting embarrassed if you talk right with her and asks about her Turian and if she will be nice to you now. Reason n4: She has potential, I also do not trust Tann and the "Initiative leadership", the only exception is Kesh (up to a certain point) but she also did not think twice about releasing the Krogans on the revolt on Nexus in order to get more say in the Politics (and that still backfired as Spender double crosses the Krogan and Tann is just happy to go along with it)... so no one there is a saint. Reason n5: If you do a certain quest in Elaaden for Lexy, you can start to understand what helped to get things at the Nexus so bad up to the point that was a revolt in the first place ( I hope we can help fix it in the next game too), besides the Leadership failure (Tann and cia) to handle things better.
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Post by vixzer on May 2, 2017 14:11:28 GMT
I actually kinda have the hots for Sloane so I saved her from that sniper. I did like Reyes, but the fucker wanted to cheat in a duel. You don't cheat in a duel! If you aren't confident you can win on your own, you shouldn't be part of that duel in the first place! The way Sloane disarmed him was pretty kick ass So yeah, Reys did not have a chance in hell to win a duel honorably
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Post by vixzer on May 2, 2017 14:15:23 GMT
If you read Nexus Uprising you can make a case that Tann and Spender are more at fault for the Uprising than anyone else. Sloane had peeled off to talk Calix into a peaceful solution when Tann got impatient, thawed the Krogan out of cryo, and sent them to go handle it. She didn't really have much of a choice when limbs/bullets were flying and she was on the wrong side of the barricade. She surrendered the entire crew as soon as she linked up with Kesh because Morda was not taking prisoners. That is true, after reading the book I would like to give Tann a really good kick and make him go back to counting beans and Spender, well, I hope exiling him took care of business but I would have really like to put a bullet in his head... oh well, maybe in the next game
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2017 23:19:08 GMT
I realize I'm reviving a really old thread here, but I have an additional question:
I allowed the sniper to killed Sloane. Why? because in the conversation I had with Sloane just prior to the one where she asks Ryder to help her, she made it very clear that she would never reconcile with the Nexus or allow an outpost on Kadara. I had no reason to really trust that she would change her mind just to get my aid and I had no desire to subject Nexus people to her demands for "protection fees" and punishments for not paying them.
Anyway, my question: Kaetus is now in jail on Kadara and I've talked with him and he has threatened to kill Ryder if he ever gets out. Now, I'm standing in front of Reyes, and have the option to tell him to go easy on Kaetus or to tell him that Kaetus is too loyal to Sloane to ever forgive either of them for Sloane's death.
Is there are consequence to this choice? This is, if I tell Reyes to go easy on Kaetus, does Kaetus come around and, say, join Ryder in the final battle... or, if I tell Reyes that Kaetus will never forgive them, does Reyes kill Kaetus?
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Post by orchid on Jul 16, 2017 7:24:48 GMT
Anyway, my question: Kaetus is now in jail on Kadara and I've talked with him and he has threatened to kill Ryder if he ever gets out. Now, I'm standing in front of Reyes, and have the option to tell him to go easy on Kaetus or to tell him that Kaetus is too loyal to Sloane to ever forgive either of them for Sloane's death. Is there are consequence to this choice? This is, if I tell Reyes to go easy on Kaetus, does Kaetus come around and, say, join Ryder in the final battle... or, if I tell Reyes that Kaetus will never forgive them, does Reyes kill Kaetus? I told Reyes to go easy on him, and I don't think there was any further mention of Kaetus, ever. I think it's unlikely he'll turn his coat, but I felt sorry for him. If you think there might ever be a sequel and want to be prudent, telling Reyes that Kaetus will never come around might be the smart thing to do, thinking of how OT handled call-backs like this. If you tell Reyes that, however, Kaetus just remains in his cell indefinitely AFAIK.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 12:15:42 GMT
Anyway, my question: Kaetus is now in jail on Kadara and I've talked with him and he has threatened to kill Ryder if he ever gets out. Now, I'm standing in front of Reyes, and have the option to tell him to go easy on Kaetus or to tell him that Kaetus is too loyal to Sloane to ever forgive either of them for Sloane's death. Is there are consequence to this choice? This is, if I tell Reyes to go easy on Kaetus, does Kaetus come around and, say, join Ryder in the final battle... or, if I tell Reyes that Kaetus will never forgive them, does Reyes kill Kaetus? I told Reyes to go easy on him, and I don't think there was any further mention of Kaetus, ever. I think it's unlikely he'll turn his coat, but I felt sorry for him. If you think there might ever be a sequel and want to be prudent, telling Reyes that Kaetus will never come around might be the smart thing to do, thinking of how OT handled call-backs like this. If you tell Reyes that, however, Kaetus just remains in his cell indefinitely AFAIK. Thanks for the response. I did end up telling Reyes to go easy on him this time around, so effectively telling Reyes to off in will have to be something reserved for another playthrough... or maybe the next Ryder will feel differently about Sloane... we'll see. I honestly felt that Reyes was being pretty sincere though when he told me to get around Sloane's blocking of an outpost by helping the "little people" and believing that really made it difficult to justify saving Sloane to allow her to continue abusing them for protection fees.
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Post by XJlock on Aug 11, 2017 23:17:41 GMT
A mutually accepted duel to settle things has been disrespected. I shot Reyes with no regrets. Sloane Kelly should be dispose of too in the future, once I finish Reyes for good since he would probably want revenge for what transpired.
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I let Reyes kill Sloane. Sloane was partly responsible for the Nexus uprising that killed countless people on both sides, she's unnecessarily hostile towards Ryder even if you help her or fix the planet's water problem, she runs a protection racket and forces people who can't pay out into the badlands, treats the native Angarans like scum, and won't tolerate an Initiative settlement on Kadara unless she can extract extortion fees from it. Reyes may be a scheming snake but he's the better choice, at least in that he's willing to allow the Initiative settlement to exist without an extortion fee and even provides some protection for it, and has cosier relations with the Angaran natives. I did feel bad for Sloane's Turian bodyguard. The Kadara choice reminded me of Orzammar in Dragon Age: Origins. The choices were similar. Like Bhelen Reyes is the better big picture choice as far as the hub's politics go, but is more power-hungry. duplicitous, and brutal than his rival. Like Bhelen Reyes is also the more progressive of the two. While Sloane isn't as bigoted as Harrowmont, under her rule there is a class divide between the Milky Way and Andromeda species, with the Angarans on the bottom rung. Reyes, like Bhelen, overturns that by giving the downtrodden more power. It bums me out that @hanshotfirst has deleted his account. We've lost so many good members in recent months. I'm assuming he hasn't read Nexus Uprising. Sloane had zero responsibility in the revolt. (Her main flaws are pride, impatience and unilateral decision-making.) The in-game propaganda implies otherwise, so I can't fault people for misunderstanding this. Her initial hostility is based entirely upon Ryder's affiliation with the Ai. It also largely evaporates after Ryder saves her ass. Reyes does not allow the Ai to exist without fees. He calls his a tax, while Ryder calls Sloane's extortion. The effect is the same: each draws direct financial profits from the Ai presence. Also, Sloane did not oppress the angara. She simply excluded them from her organization, since she felt that couldn't yet trust them. It's hard to tell the difference between a citizen and an insurgent. The angara, being touchy about "being heard", took exception to her exclusionary policies. They felt that they had no voice. They were treated no better or worse than anyone else, though. Reyes is far more politically savvy and devious. Sloane is overt and overly blunt in all her interactions. It's definitely her greatest flaw. Reyes makes sure the Collective is perceived as less brutal; but we find more than one Collective torture-and-murder den in the Badlands. They are perhaps more cutthroat than Sloane's goons, and certainly no less so. Sloane was once a truest of the true believer in the Ai. I could see her easing up quite a bit, now that the Ai is providing alternative forms of income and a civilizing influence. Under Sloane, I foresee Kadara Port eventually reintegrating into the Ai. Her entire purpose in leaving the Nexus and ruling Kadara Port with an iron fist was to keep the exiles alive. If and when she feels that the Ai is no longer Tann's shitshow, I think she'd consider reintegration to be the fulfillment of her purpose. Reyes and the Collective, though, are a far more intelligent and nuanced criminal organization. Their ambitions extend well beyond Kadara, and they'd have no reason to ever weaken themselves by relinquishing control of Kadara Port. They could become an extremely powerful criminal empire in Heleus, if given half a chance. Handing them Kadara Port is just begging for such an outcome. I'm not saying that Sloane doesn't make bad choices. I'm not saying that her methods are justified. I will say that she truly believes that everything she does keeps Kadara Port running, and thus "keeps the wolves at bay", preventing total anarchy and terrible horrors for wiping out her people (all exiles). She's in it to protect people (by keeping most alive, not by offering them a Utopia), regardless of what we may think of her questionable methods. She isn't in it for power. The Collective, though, is in it for power and profits. They're far more dangerous, and not at all easily managed. For these reasons, I can't support Reyes, regardless of how likeable he seems. Hell, we've barely known him any time at all. His every action in helping Ryder was actually part of his effort to bring Sloane "death by a thousand cuts". There's no in-game reason to trust him, beyond "I like him/I don't like Sloane". He's a brilliant, dangerous smooth-talker. That should raise flags. Even if Reyes truly is a rogue with a heart of gold (doubtful... Colllective torture dens), he's still only one man. If and when he's gone, who replaces him at the top of the Collective? Aiding this organization seems like madness, to me.
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Aug 18, 2017 17:15:47 GMT
It bums me out that @hanshotfirst has deleted his account. We've lost so many good members in recent months. I'm assuming he hasn't read Nexus Uprising. Sloane had zero responsibility in the revolt. (Her main flaws are pride, impatience and unilateral decision-making.) The in-game propaganda implies otherwise, so I can't fault people for misunderstanding this. Her initial hostility is based entirely upon Ryder's affiliation with the Ai. It also largely evaporates after Ryder saves her ass. Reyes does not allow the Ai to exist without fees. He calls his a tax, while Ryder calls Sloane's extortion. The effect is the same: each draws direct financial profits from the Ai presence. Also, Sloane did not oppress the angara. She simply excluded them from her organization, since she felt that couldn't yet trust them. It's hard to tell the difference between a citizen and an insurgent. The angara, being touchy about "being heard", took exception to her exclusionary policies. They felt that they had no voice. They were treated no better or worse than anyone else, though. Reyes is far more politically savvy and devious. Sloane is overt and overly blunt in all her interactions. It's definitely her greatest flaw. Reyes makes sure the Collective is perceived as less brutal; but we find more than one Collective torture-and-murder den in the Badlands. They are perhaps more cutthroat than Sloane's goons, and certainly no less so. Sloane was once a truest of the true believer in the Ai. I could see her easing up quite a bit, now that the Ai is providing alternative forms of income and a civilizing influence. Under Sloane, I foresee Kadara Port eventually reintegrating into the Ai. Her entire purpose in leaving the Nexus and ruling Kadara Port with an iron fist was to keep the exiles alive. If and when she feels that the Ai is no longer Tann's shitshow, I think she'd consider reintegration to be the fulfillment of her purpose. Reyes and the Collective, though, are a far more intelligent and nuanced criminal organization. Their ambitions extend well beyond Kadara, and they'd have no reason to ever weaken themselves by relinquishing control of Kadara Port. They could become an extremely powerful criminal empire in Heleus, if given half a chance. Handing them Kadara Port is just begging for such an outcome. I'm not saying that Sloane doesn't make bad choices. I'm not saying that her methods are justified. I will say that she truly believes that everything she does keeps Kadara Port running, and thus "keeps the wolves at bay", preventing total anarchy and terrible horrors for wiping out her people (all exiles). She's in it to protect people (by keeping most alive, not by offering them a Utopia), regardless of what we may think of her questionable methods. She isn't in it for power. The Collective, though, is in it for power and profits. They're far more dangerous, and not at all easily managed. For these reasons, I can't support Reyes, regardless of how likeable he seems. Hell, we've barely known him any time at all. His every action in helping Ryder was actually part of his effort to bring Sloane "death by a thousand cuts". There's no in-game reason to trust him, beyond "I like him/I don't like Sloane". He's a brilliant, dangerous smooth-talker. That should raise flags. Even if Reyes truly is a rogue with a heart of gold (doubtful... Colllective torture dens), he's still only one man. If and when he's gone, who replaces him at the top of the Collective? Aiding this organization seems like madness, to me. I totally agree with the suspicion that Reyes' ambitions are outside of Kadara. I wonder whether he might be involved with Araone and Spender, and I also question whether he might be behind the Kett's reappearance on Kadara. Sloane is not that bad of a fighter. She gets complacent when she thinks she's won, but she's thorough. What if he sold her out to the Kett as a way to weaken her and get her to fight a war on multiple fronts? She doesn't have a trained army. She has maintenance workers and civilians: Talini and most of her security staff didn't leave with her during the Uprising. Kandros was not on the Nexus for the Uprising. Reyes does make an offhand comment about the possibility of seeing Ryder on the Nexus sometime. He's suspiciously wealthy for being an upstart and fighting a war with Sloane. I don't think he got that way by ripping just her off. I also think that Sloane is being played from the inside, and I suspect Kaetus. Honestly, I don't think that Kadara Sloane is the person she wants to be, but she has accepted this as her role. Doesn't help that the people around her don't let her see herself in a mirror. Addison was good at that with her, and I think the only person that could ever turn Sloane around. Addison, actually, indirectly laments Sloane's departure early on in the game. I half-suspect that Addison actually liked her. After having read Uprising, I can't kill Sloane. Not only did Tann and Addison stab her in the back, Tann goes out of his way to try and find her, sullies her reputation to Kandros and probably everyone else who would listen, and blames everything wrong with what happened after the Scourge disaster on her as a way to absolve himself of any of his wrongdoings. I can't let Ryder be the one to defacto put the final nail in her. As loathsome as she can be, I can't let her go out that way. Part of me hopes that there is a chance for reconciliation with the Nexus. Despite her bluster. She is a blustery character and reacts emotionally to everything. Her comment that she's never agreed with Addison I take as a sarcastic overreaction, because it's completely wrong. Once Tann's influence is lessened, I think she would start to come around more. Especially if you choose Morda or the Moshae as your Heleus Ambassador. On a superficial side, since I chose the Moshae as my Ambassador, part of me is amused at the opportunity for Indira to talk to herself.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 19, 2017 3:50:51 GMT
I totally agree with the suspicion that Reyes' ambitions are outside of Kadara. I wonder whether he might be involved with Araone and Spender, and I also question whether he might be behind the Kett's reappearance on Kadara. Sloane is not that bad of a fighter. She gets complacent when she thinks she's won, but she's thorough. What if he sold her out to the Kett as a way to weaken her and get her to fight a war on multiple fronts? She doesn't have a trained army. She has maintenance workers and civilians: Talini and most of her security staff didn't leave with her during the Uprising. Kandros was not on the Nexus for the Uprising. Reyes does make an offhand comment about the possibility of seeing Ryder on the Nexus sometime. He's suspiciously wealthy for being an upstart and fighting a war with Sloane. I don't think he got that way by ripping just her off. I also think that Sloane is being played from the inside, and I suspect Kaetus. Honestly, I don't think that Kadara Sloane is the person she wants to be, but she has accepted this as her role. Doesn't help that the people around her don't let her see herself in a mirror. Addison was good at that with her, and I think the only person that could ever turn Sloane around. Addison, actually, indirectly laments Sloane's departure early on in the game. I half-suspect that Addison actually liked her. After having read Uprising, I can't kill Sloane. Not only did Tann and Addison stab her in the back, Tann goes out of his way to try and find her, sullies her reputation to Kandros and probably everyone else who would listen, and blames everything wrong with what happened after the Scourge disaster on her as a way to absolve himself of any of his wrongdoings. I can't let Ryder be the one to defacto put the final nail in her. As loathsome as she can be, I can't let her go out that way. Part of me hopes that there is a chance for reconciliation with the Nexus. Despite her bluster. She is a blustery character and reacts emotionally to everything. Her comment that she's never agreed with Addison I take as a sarcastic overreaction, because it's completely wrong. Once Tann's influence is lessened, I think she would start to come around more. Especially if you choose Morda or the Moshae as your Heleus Ambassador. On a superficial side, since I chose the Moshae as my Ambassador, part of me is amused at the opportunity for Indira to talk to herself. I don't get specific, nefarious vibes. I just know that the Collective gathers intel across all of Heleus. The salarian in Kralla's Song told me as much. Also, they include information brokering and smuggling among their enterprises. That means operations across worlds. I encounter a Collective spy satellite (stolen, of course) while scanning a far flung system. Essentially, my issue is this: they'll never get wealthy operating strictly on Kadara. They are already spread across Heleus in some fashion. We don't even know if they were "born" or based out of Kadara. We know little about them, aside from a few facts. They're intelligent; ruthless and completely amoral. They're the type of organization that gains a foothold in society and can never be extirpated. The Outcasts, on the other hand, have one goal: maintain control of Kadara Port. They're not, as an organization, looking to get wealthy. They're sole purpose is to maintain (their brand of) order in Kadara Port. They're far less dangerous. I think any maneuvering within Sloane's organization was due to the Collective's efforts. I don't think she has very many traitors in her group. She was super careful in her recruiting; possibly detrimentally so, turning away angara. I don't suspect Kaetus at all. I believe he might even be the turian boyfriend that was hinted at in Nexus Uprising. Ryder picked up on it, too, and can ask about their relationship. Kaetus tells Ryder, "Mind your business." I, too, like Sloane. The Sloane we knew from the novel peaks through, at times, and seems to begin to reemerge after the power struggle is concluded. She used to get pissed at Addison for her feeble moping and inaction; but I agree that she didn't dislike her. They could've made an effective team without Tann in the picture. Despite his good intentions, his prejudice against krogan and his lust for authority tore apart the leadership structure, and nearly killed the Ai. Sloane saved a lot of lives by going "Lord of the Flies". I enjoy all three characters-- Addison, Sloane and Tann. They each have their faults, but each want what's best for the people. Sloane is the most likeable, for me. Tann has way too much ego; and Addison was uselessly, despondently moping half of the time she was needed, in the early days. (I also question her involvement in Garson's death. She was up to something when Sloane caught her creeping.) Sloane is an impatient hot head, but she really cares. She gives everything for the people. I hope to see her step back aboard the Nexus, someday; and I hope Tann has to welcome her.
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