Imagine If All the Changes in this Game were ME3 Balance Changes

I have to say I dislike most of these changes and they don't make the game more fun in my opinon, a lot of them make gameplay feel worse and more clunky compared to 3. I loved the me3 beta right from the start, a lot of the powers felt quite strong and certain guns felt really good like the widow, gps, claymore, and carnifex for example. So far in this game no guns really come close (widow is similar I guess but not really because of the lack of AP) and the classes in general feel weaker to me. I kinda like the game but it really needs quite a lot of tuning to be as good as me3 in my opinon, as it stands I think me3 is a lot better and I'm only playing this because there's a lot of new content, gameplay wise I think it's a significant downgrade. My apex rating is around 3400 and I've done some gold runs allready so I'm not saying this without having put a decent amount of time in.

I also don't like the extra grindiness of ranking up the classes or level x mods.

You could also add that biotic explosions in general seem heavily nerfed in terms of damage and sound and some other abilities like energy drain seem really weak as well. And that they increased the spread on all shotguns by about 100%

Care to explain the cloak damage part only applying to 1 thing? I've been trying to figure out how the cloak damage boost works in this game but I don't really get it.

I guess they felt that ME3 MP was too easy? Or they made it more difficult so that you are more likely to buy Andromeda points to unlock weapons that don't suck and you don't have to empty whole clip for 1 basic mook to die.

I wouldn't say me3 was too easy, we almost had to be overpowered considering all BS the enemies through at us. I already thought the grind was too much in me3. Not for ultra rares but for a new person starting the game now, it's a nightmare to unlock everything.

I thought they would fix the grind for new players in this game but they have made all of that worse. I can't imagine what the grind will be like for new players when all the DLCs have been released.

Don't forget the removal of over counter grabs, I miss that.

And yes, they have definitely changed the way TC works. TBH I like it though, it feels more balanced than the OP version of ME3, but still powerful, especially with the 6b evo, which provides that 2 extra seconds of damage boost

I would love if they released the old me3 factions for the multiplayer. Screw the lore, it would add so much more variety and fun to have 7 factions to fight. Probably won't happen though.

I've found that if I have the %100 CD, I can re cloak every 7 seconds approx .. seems reasonable

This was my impression as well.

That being said, it could also be a case of Unmaxed Manifest Problems, because a level I barrel adds 10% weapon damage. So... level X would be +100%? Maybe someone can confirm. Whereas in ME3 it capped out at 25%. Double damage would make crappy uncommons at least usable, and would be pretty crazy on stuff like Hurricane and Piranha. Rare cards are harder to get now with the lower payout from gold, but people are already extracting against Outlaws without much trouble, and the game hasn't even been out for a week.

It's probably smart to try and max out the current rares ASAP before the pool is expanded with more content and it's harder to draw a barrel, so go farm the shit out of those Outlaws before they are the target of the inevitable "balance pass".

Most mods that I've seen went up by 1% each level lol, so definitely not.


For example, shotgun smart choke goes from level 1 30% to level 10 40%.

I'm sure the barrels will just go from 10 to 20%.

The multiplayer being harder makes sense from lore standpoint, if you think of it. You use guns from 2200s in the 2800s.