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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 16:47:25 GMT
So i just unlocked every memory, messages and oh my god that was amazing. Everything about the Reapers and leaving The Milky Way at the right time, the secret benefactor (has to be Illusive Man), and Ellen being alive. When i heard that last bit i ran to the cryo pod as fast as i could, tears in my eyes. This game has got its teeth into me. I am hoping this is something they will add naturally and not as part of a DLC. Really feel connected to Ryder and their story.
So what was your reaction? Your thoughts and so on.
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Post by ymirr on Mar 25, 2017 18:34:55 GMT
I'm not a person who tend to be surprised, but I was yelling out "whaaaaaaaaaaat" by the end of that.
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Post by velvetstraitjacket on Mar 25, 2017 21:06:13 GMT
I literally just got back from the mom pod lol. I was so happy! And when SAM tells Sara and Scott that he hopes the three of them will find a cure one day, I was all like... I was expecting some horrible secret. At least an affair with Jien. But I'm glad that I was wrong.
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Post by edisnooM on Mar 26, 2017 3:03:13 GMT
So unless I missed something it seemed like those transmissions from the Milky Way travelled 2.5 million light years in 600 years, which seems like a bit of a stretch even for the lax scientific nature of Mass Effect. However ignoring that it is interesting that there is nothing after those transmissions, no "Crucible has fired", or even to indicate that life continued on in some fashion, which makes me wonder, could they actually be going with a Refuse ending? I have to admit I would be quite impressed if they had the guts to even think of doing that.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 26, 2017 3:06:56 GMT
So unless I missed something it seemed like those transmissions from the Milky Way travelled 2.5 million light years in 600 years, which seems like a bit of a stretch even for the lax scientific nature of Mass Effect. However ignoring that it is interesting that there is nothing after those transmissions, no "Crucible has fired", or even to indicate that life continued on in some fashion, which makes me wonder, could they actually be going with a Refuse ending? I have to admit I would be quite impressed if they had the guts to even think of doing that. The Nexus and Arks left only within months at most before the Reaper invasion, so they were still really close to the Milky Way relatively speaking so were able to pick those up. After that they got far enough out that the messages became too faint to be picked up.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 26, 2017 3:10:39 GMT
So i just unlocked every memory, messages and oh my god that was amazing. Everything about the Reapers and leaving The Milky Way at the right time, the secret benefactor (has to be Illusive Man), and Ellen being alive. When i heard that last bit i ran to the cryo pod as fast as i could, tears in my eyes. This game has got its teeth into me. I am hoping this is something they will add naturally and not as part of a DLC. Really feel connected to Ryder and their story. So what was your reaction? Your thoughts and so on. It was a really interesting side quest. Probably among my favorites with how deep into the lore it went. I don't think the Benefactor is The Illusive Man though. Too much goes against him being the one. Personally I suspect that the Benefactor may be a group of powerful people in the shadows, like the Illuminati in the Deus Ex franchise. I bet that more will be revealed about them in a sequel or maybe a DLC that will connect MEA to the next game if they do that.
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Post by edisnooM on Mar 26, 2017 4:44:39 GMT
So unless I missed something it seemed like those transmissions from the Milky Way travelled 2.5 million light years in 600 years, which seems like a bit of a stretch even for the lax scientific nature of Mass Effect. However ignoring that it is interesting that there is nothing after those transmissions, no "Crucible has fired", or even to indicate that life continued on in some fashion, which makes me wonder, could they actually be going with a Refuse ending? I have to admit I would be quite impressed if they had the guts to even think of doing that. The Nexus and Arks left only within months at most before the Reaper invasion, so they were still really close to the Milky Way relatively speaking so were able to pick those up. After that they got far enough out that the messages became too faint to be picked up. But that doesn't exactly make sense either, the Arks and Nexux would have been in FTL (at faster speeds than any other ship at the time) heading for Andromeda so for a wide broadcast message to have "caught up" is kind of stretching (Liara's being directed at them might fare better). The Milky Way uses comm buoys utilizing I believe the Mass Relays for rapid communication, if the AI ships were out of the Galaxy (even three months would put them a thousand light years out) they would have been away from the comm networks, and reliant on signals drifting into Dark Space. In the end though the most likely explanation is that whoever wrote this didn't think it through (Walters?) and thought it would be a Rule of cool easter egg.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 26, 2017 4:50:20 GMT
But that doesn't exactly make sense either, the Arks and Nexux would have been in FTL (at faster speeds than any other ship at the time) heading for Andromeda so for a wide broadcast message to have "caught up" is kind of stretching (Liara's being directed at them might fare better). The Milky Way uses comm buoys utilizing I believe the Mass Relays for rapid communication, if the AI ships were out of the Galaxy (even three months would put them a thousand light years out) they would have been away from the comm networks, and reliant on signals drifting into Dark Space. In the end though the most likely explanation is that whoever wrote this didn't think it through (Walters?) and thought it would be a Rule of cool easter egg. The Nexus and Arks weren't faster than any other ship at the time. Considering how long it took to get to Andromeda they moved in FTL slower than most ships in our cycle. We know that the Nexus and Arks had communication equipment set up to communicate with the Milky Way once they got there, so it could be the equipment was destroyed in the Milky Way. Considering they use QECs, that is something that can't be fixed. I don't think it is just an Easter Egg, considering they linked some important plot stuff to that side quest like Ellen Ryder being alive and Jien Garson being murdered and the murder covered up.
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Post by edisnooM on Mar 26, 2017 5:11:43 GMT
The Nexus and Arks weren't faster than any other ship at the time. Considering how long it took to get to Andromeda they moved in FTL slower than most ships in our cycle. We know that the Nexus and Arks had communication equipment set up to communicate with the Milky Way once they got there, so it could be the equipment was destroyed in the Milky Way. Considering they use QECs, that is something that can't be fixed. I don't think it is just an Easter Egg, considering they linked some important plot stuff to that side quest like Ellen Ryder being alive and Jien Garson being murdered and the murder covered up. Well considering that they are effectively travelling at 40% Reaper speed without the need to stop and discharge or refuel, it kind of seems like they're moving a bit faster than other ships in the series in total distance travelled in a given amount of time. Regardless they would still be 1000 lightyears outside the galaxy three months after leaving. I would imagine that SOS messages would be more akin to wide spectrum broadcast, not P2P QEC, Liara's as mentioned may fare better. And does the AI have QEC tech? I don't recall seeing that mentioned. On a sidenote it always bugged me how many QECs there were in ME3, this was supposed to be exorbitantly expensive tech and now it's just everywhere. And I don't think the entire mission was an easter egg, just the transmissions themselves. Honestly if their intent was a clean break they shouldn't have anything tied back to the OT. ME5 will probably be the second coming of Cerberus, Cora is probably a clone ala Miranda, with psychological programming to activate at a given time.
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Post by Kaibe on Mar 26, 2017 8:07:25 GMT
It seemed like a Cerberus thing to do, but didn't Bioware say they weren't involved or something? I think that at the time they'd be too busy with Shepard and the Reapers. A lot of Cerberus resources went towards those. Also, Bioware's probably aware how many people hated them.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 26, 2017 9:12:54 GMT
It seemed like a Cerberus thing to do, but didn't Bioware say they weren't involved or something? I think that at the time they'd be too busy with Shepard and the Reapers. A lot of Cerberus resources went towards those. Also, Bioware's probably aware how many people hated them. Everyone loves Cerberus.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 26, 2017 9:41:33 GMT
It seemed like a Cerberus thing to do, but didn't Bioware say they weren't involved or something? I think that at the time they'd be too busy with Shepard and the Reapers. A lot of Cerberus resources went towards those. Also, Bioware's probably aware how many people hated them. I don't think so, only Cerberus operatives we seen in ME:A are a few defectors.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Mar 26, 2017 9:57:55 GMT
The only thing that makes me doubt this is Cerberus is the fact that the Andromeda Initiative is a multi species effort. Why would TIM spend countless credits saving aliens?
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Post by Eterna on Mar 26, 2017 10:04:20 GMT
The Liara message plus the Alliance/turian distress call hit me really deep in some feels. And the reaper cry at the end of the turian call sent a chill down my spine.
I have to wonder, if the hyperion just avoided the reapers what does that mean for the Quarian ark? Are we going to be seeing a lot of shellshocked survivors with horror stories coming from it? Could be interesting.
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Post by ymirr on Mar 26, 2017 10:07:42 GMT
The only thing that makes me doubt this is Cerberus is the fact that the Andromeda Initiative is a multi species effort. Why would TIM spend countless credits saving aliens? Well Cerberus wasn't the only ones paying for this, but when I saw that all the other arks had been attacked, I wondered if it had been by design. That all but the human ark had some sort of beacon to alert any potential threat during the travel. Though, that wouldn't help vs the Krogan on the nexus, they were numerous enough. I do hope we will get answers to the various things left open in this game, eventually.
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Post by laxian on Mar 26, 2017 10:21:42 GMT
I think it was well done, but sadly we don't learn more about the "Benefactor" (I think it's not only one person, because I am sure Asari, Turians, Salarians etc. etc would not easily follow a human groups invitation to join them on a voyage like this (humanity isn't the most trusted race around after all), so I guss the A.I. leadership was NOT human only!), but yeah: TIM is probably one of them (he might even be the top contributor), but not the only one Still with TIM being in the loop it's even more strange that the A.I. is so badly equipped (most of their stuff has some flaw or other - like those damned A.I. Helmets (!) or the unarmed Nomad/Tempest...the crappily equipped Nexus (can't even generate enough power on its own for most systems!) and Arks (which have no equipment etc. on board, most of that is on the Nexus, so if that is lost? Well fuck you!)) Also: We never learn why the former A.I. leader was killed (might have overheard something, but I only remember learning that she was killed and that's it!) greetings LAX
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Post by laxian on Mar 26, 2017 10:25:19 GMT
The Nexus and Arks weren't faster than any other ship at the time. Considering how long it took to get to Andromeda they moved in FTL slower than most ships in our cycle. We know that the Nexus and Arks had communication equipment set up to communicate with the Milky Way once they got there, so it could be the equipment was destroyed in the Milky Way. Considering they use QECs, that is something that can't be fixed. I don't think it is just an Easter Egg, considering they linked some important plot stuff to that side quest like Ellen Ryder being alive and Jien Garson being murdered and the murder covered up. Well considering that they are effectively travelling at 40% Reaper speed without the need to stop and discharge or refuel, it kind of seems like they're moving a bit faster than other ships in the series in total distance travelled in a given amount of time. Regardless they would still be 1000 lightyears outside the galaxy three months after leaving. I would imagine that SOS messages would be more akin to wide spectrum broadcast, not P2P QEC, Liara's as mentioned may fare better. And does the AI have QEC tech? I don't recall seeing that mentioned. On a sidenote it always bugged me how many QECs there were in ME3, this was supposed to be exorbitantly expensive tech and now it's just everywhere. And I don't think the entire mission was an easter egg, just the transmissions themselves. Honestly if their intent was a clean break they shouldn't have anything tied back to the OT. ME5 will probably be the second coming of Cerberus, Cora is probably a clone ala Miranda, with psychological programming to activate at a given time. They do - S.A.M. uses that to be present on the Tempest
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Post by poekel on Mar 26, 2017 15:01:46 GMT
The only thing that makes me doubt this is Cerberus is the fact that the Andromeda Initiative is a multi species effort. Why would TIM spend countless credits saving aliens? To insure the survival of the human race which in TIMs mind should be more than capable to dominate (his goal was human supremacy not the extermination of other species) the others. IMHO the family secrets storyline points to a possible DLC with Cerberus trying to take over the Initiative (lots of hints about how the benefactor might be up to something bad). So far Spender (from Dracks loyalty questline) might be Cerberus (or part of the Benefactors faction, though Cerberus seems to be the most likely culprit) as he did have a position of power and was acting very much in line with what we would expect of Cerberus (and I think he either gets jailed or exiled so should be alive for a possible DLC).
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