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Post by griffith82 on Mar 28, 2017 16:10:26 GMT
They all sound fine to me. / shrug I swear you guys purposely go out of the way sometimes to find something to complain about.Why do I always see responses like this every time someone posts a critique or concern about the game? Because most of the time they aren't critiquing the game they are baselessly attacking the game or bioware with overreactions or half truths
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Post by Debaser on Mar 28, 2017 16:13:28 GMT
What plot hole? I agree, Benezia was a little stilted, but the general push of the story arc helped push it over. Basically, the only reason Saren needed the Conduit was because he headed a Geth attack on Eden prime searching for the Conduit. Sovereign doesn't use it or need it. Saren only needs it to get inside the Citadel which would be effortless with his Spectre status instead of being branded a terrorist heading an army of sentient killer robots.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 16:48:34 GMT
I think the voice acting and writing in this game is on par with other ME titles. If anyone thinks the the first three games were better written and acted, do your yourself a favor and jump back into ME1. You'll enjoy ME:A more after. The squadmates in ME1 barely had any personality at all, with the exception of Wrex and Ashley, and the game begins with the biggest plot hole of the entire series. Some of the acting wasn't great either. See Matriarch Benezia, for a reminder. Sorry but I don't agree with this at all. ME1 had Drew K. style levels of writing... this does not. ME1's story completely derails in the first 15 minutes of the game. Saren gets exposed as a traitor and loses his Spectre status for attacking Eden Prime, all to gain a Prothean beacon that would tell him how to find a back door onto the Presidium. This did not make any sense, as Saren and the indoctrinated Asari commandos in his service already had full access to the Presidium, and no one yet heard of Reapers or indoctrination. Tali was quite literally a walking codex entry with no characterization at all, and Liara was not much better. Garrus was a stiff with none of the charm or humor that made him popular in later games, and Kaidan was equally dull. Like Garrus he doesn't get much of a personality until later games. ...and then there is Matriarch Benezia, who was about as well written and acted as a character from Tommy Wiseau's The Room, and Liara's complete non-reaction to her death. People criticizing the writing and characters of ME:A as being worse than the original trilogy are either letting nostalgia get in the way of a fair assessment, or they're forgetting that their current impressions of the original cast from ME1 were formed over three games, not one.
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Post by cypherj on Mar 28, 2017 17:04:15 GMT
I think the dead faces are some of the problem too. Scenes that should have some emotional impact don't have it because the characters don't convey it in anyway. Add that to some of the delivery being stilted, I just doesn't come across well. But some of the dialogue is tween ish to me, or just corny sometimes, moreso than in other ME games. The scene where they're in the conference room after Eos and its like.
We beat Kett forces And we didn't get killed We set up the first colony Yeah we do that too We found and used some alien tech And once again we didn't get killed
I was literally sitting there going who wrote this nonsense.
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Post by zaeedisking on Mar 28, 2017 17:09:57 GMT
Sorry but I don't agree with this at all. ME1 had Drew K. style levels of writing... this does not. ME1's story completely derails in the first 15 minutes of the game. Saren gets exposed as a traitor and loses his Spectre status for attacking Eden Prime, all to gain a Prothean beacon that would tell him how to find a back door onto the Presidium. This did not make any sense, as Saren and the indoctrinated Asari commandos in his service already had full access to the Presidium, and no one yet heard of Reapers or indoctrination. Tali was quite literally a walking codex entry with no characterization at all, and Liara was not much better. Garrus was a stiff with none of the charm or humor that made him popular in later games, and Kaidan was equally dull. Like Garrus he doesn't get much of a personality until later games. ...and then there is Matriarch Benezia, who was about as well written and acted as a character from Tommy Wiseau's The Room, and Liara's complete non-reaction to her death. People criticizing the writing and characters of ME:A as being worse than the original trilogy are either letting nostalgia get in the way of a fair assessment, or they're forgetting that their current impressions of the original cast from ME1 were formed over three games, not one. Saren had no idea the citadel was the conduit until getting that info from the Thorian. Though the argument could be made that Sovereign could have just told him what the conduit was... but the writing there was that he wasn't fully awake and out of dark space at that time. Tali being a codex is on point but I'm not sure BioWare knew how popular our favorite little masked cheerleader would become later on. Garrus was stiff but the dialogue between Shep and him gave an indication the two had respect for each other and that a companionship was in the making. I always took Garrus with me on every mission... his personality was great and he felt like a real character from the start. Benezia... well at least she was limited in terms of the amount of lines/scenes she was given. I think M. Sirtas wasn't very keen on VA for a game at the time and she was more or less a fan boy/girl grab by BioWare because of her Star Trek past/status. I can tell you with a straight face that I've had way more cringe worthy moments with dialogue in MEA than I ever did in ME1. MEA has a ton more dialogue and content that ME1 ever did so I guess the argument can be made there was plenty more room for the quality to drop.
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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 28, 2017 17:22:07 GMT
Why do I always see responses like this every time someone posts a critique or concern about the game? Because most of the time they aren't critiquing the game they are baselessly attacking the game or bioware with overreactions or half truths Most of the time, I've seen people who just had legitimate concerns and complaints about the game, and every time, someone would come in and claim they were just looking for something to complain about or call them haters. Yes, there are people that just attack the game or Bioware, that happens with every game, however, the OP of this thread did not, and yet someone accused him of just looking for something to complain about anyway
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Post by fchopin on Mar 28, 2017 17:31:51 GMT
The voice actors are average at best. Maybe if they had more direction it would be better.
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Post by goishen on Mar 28, 2017 17:35:02 GMT
That's not the problem.
To paraphrase ACG, "I could write a script, and it didn't matter if you hired Robert DeNiro to voice it, it would still come off as an ADD riddled child."
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Post by griffith82 on Mar 28, 2017 18:11:14 GMT
Because most of the time they aren't critiquing the game they are baselessly attacking the game or bioware with overreactions or half truths Most of the time, I've seen people who just had legitimate concerns and complaints about the game, and every time, someone would come in and claim they were just looking for something to complain about or call them haters. Yes, there are people that just attack the game or Bioware, that happens with every game, however, the OP of this thread did not, and yet someone accused him of just looking for something to complain about anyway In this case you are correct that he didn't blindly bash the game instead he gave his opinion on the writing which did not warrant that response.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 28, 2017 18:38:38 GMT
Most of the time, I've seen people who just had legitimate concerns and complaints about the game, and every time, someone would come in and claim they were just looking for something to complain about or call them haters. Yes, there are people that just attack the game or Bioware, that happens with every game, however, the OP of this thread did not, and yet someone accused him of just looking for something to complain about anyway In this case you are correct that he didn't blindly bash the game instead he gave his opinion on the writing which did not warrant that response. Meh, I apologized later saying I was a brown coat, so it is all fine and dandy now. Besides, I would rather offend first now then apologize later because I am god damn sick and tired of the baseless haters I don't have the patience to read everything all the way now.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 28, 2017 19:26:35 GMT
I think the Montreal-based audio direction and voice casting could use some work for sure. It would puzzle me if Andromeda's acting is stilted due to Caroline Livingstone's job (she's been at it since ME1 and all DA games). Andromeda's acting sometimes feels like a far cry from DA2 which to me was the height of BioWare's voice acting department.
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Post by shelledfade on Mar 28, 2017 19:35:12 GMT
The voice actors themselves have great voices and give it their best. I just want to clarify for everyone lurking out there (and sometimes I worry the voice actors read these forums, or things on the Internet in general), that the voice actors have awesome voices. It just seems like there was no Director who pulled them together and made scenesI agree. There's no way anyone could have voice-acted better. The animations for the male ryder when hes sitting in the chair getting tortured. It just looks comically hilarious, nobody could have voice-acted that scene, nobody. They should have mocapped actors for this. Instead they used their horrifyingly bad animations and made actors try to voice-over them but the animations are so damn god awful that it's impossible even for professional actors to do it. It actually makes it WORSE when the voice-acting is that good, to the point where it has a certain tone and feeling to it, and then having an animation that doesn't represent what's going on at all or does so comically. I really hope its fixable because I don't want to play the single player until they patch the animations.
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Post by Camel on Mar 28, 2017 19:57:21 GMT
My issue is that a few of them don't sound like they are in the correct role. Sloane Kelly and that fucking female Krogan overlord on Elaaden are the biggest culprits for me. Two characters with supposedly fierce backgrounds and they sound like primary school teachers who have had their day ruined because one of the kids has left chewing gum on their seats. Aria felt genuine, female Shepard renegade felt genuinely threatening, even Nassana Dantius felt ruthless, these did not one bit. That said I think it's worth pointing out that for me Kallo, Cora, Jaal and Scott Ryder have been fantastic and most of the rest are pretty good too. Ahem, yeah. When you have Trinity from the Matrix aka Carrie Anne Moss and probably the best voice actress in Jennifer Hale voicing them you sure get great results. Who do they have in MEA? Some actress from the Game of Thrones?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 28, 2017 21:31:24 GMT
Ahem, yeah. When you have Trinity from the Matrix aka Carrie Anne Moss and probably the best voice actress in Jennifer Hale voicing them you sure get great results. Who do they have in MEA? Some actress from the Game of Thrones?One does not simply brush off the radiant Natalie Dormer.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 28, 2017 21:38:32 GMT
I like that gif. I'm a big fan of Cary Grant.
The VA's did alright. They're not the one's who wrote the dialogue
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Post by Nocturnis on Mar 28, 2017 21:48:35 GMT
I'm almost positive the only direction they gave Liam's VA is 2000 MG's of caffeine administered via heroin needle. I don't have much of a problem with most of the dialogue though. Anything bad that I've heard seemed more like bad quality control for specific dialogue, the rest seemed to work right. This is part of the games critique I feel like people are blowing out of proportion.
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Post by Hoge on Mar 28, 2017 21:59:05 GMT
Especially Jaal's voice actor. The other voice actors kinda tremble before him tbh I don't think I'll ever tire of hearing him say "Be strong.. and CLEAR!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 22:23:01 GMT
I suspect that if the game had more emotive facial expressions in cutscenes, the net effect (including the VO) might feel more satisfactory. It's difficult to fairly judge the quality of a vocal performance when you're looking at non-emotive faces.
I find the VAs - and their direction - on par with other BioWare titles, which is to say mostly excellent.
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Post by Addictress on Mar 29, 2017 2:41:08 GMT
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I just finished the game, finally, and oh my god.... the scene with Sara strapped into the chair =/ and she's SMILING... and ... her voice acting in that part is INDEED weak.
Blegh. BLEGH!
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"WHO ARE YOU, SOME LAME FORUM INTERNET STRANGER, U NEVER MADE A GAME"
yeah well WE ALL BLAME THE GUY AT THE TOP, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S GOOGLE OR AMAZON, *kicks something* DON'T GIVE ME THAT CRAP. GET ANOTHER CREATIVE DIRECTOR ASAP
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