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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 28, 2017 9:22:32 GMT
It's not the biggest issue in the world of course but they spend all this time teasing romances, put so much effort into the romance with Cora for example have several options for everyone except gay male characters. Listen... I could care less who romances who... but the Cora romance was nothing special. It literally amounted to a hot little number and that was it. No buildup. Just we're two good looking people who are trying to make it in a new galaxy.. lot of depth there! The romance scene was the only scene in the game with good facial animations. Even if it didn't come across the way it was obviously intended don't deny how much work obviously went into that romance.
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Post by zaeedisking on Mar 28, 2017 9:28:37 GMT
Listen... I could care less who romances who... but the Cora romance was nothing special. It literally amounted to a hot little number and that was it. No buildup. Just we're two good looking people who are trying to make it in a new galaxy.. lot of depth there! The romance scene was the only scene in the game with good facial animations. Even if it didn't come across the way it was obviously intended don't deny how much work obviously went into that romance. Agreed. Cora was animated at her best this entire scene... and I'm not entirely sure why. They gave her a super body and her facial animations were at its peak of the entire game. I guess if you put any consideration into the romance it mattered... but it was more of a hookup to me and we'll see what happens if these characters get another shot.
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Post by darkizzle on Mar 28, 2017 9:33:16 GMT
ok OP Im not trying to be mean ok. but you realize these characters and there "romance's" are not real right IT'S A GAME. Im pretty sure there are better things to worry about. Im a straight male LGB rights supporter btw so im not anti gay. Why do you care about facial animations? These characters are not real, ITS A GAME, they're not supposed to be real people. Why do you care about good writing? ITS A GAME, if you want good writing read a book. Why do you care about character customization? ITS A GAME, all that armor and clothing is just pixels rendered on a screen none of it is real. What a stupid argument. People play games for different reasons, for many of us its to escape and be immersed in a world we will never inhabit in our dreary "real" lives. When are we ever going to get to be part of a team of ragtag space badasses and fight with them, befriend them, fall in love with them? The fact of the matter is Bioware set the standard for escapism like this, and to see them take such a massive step back for one of their core fanbases is disappointing. If you don't care about it personally good for you. I'm sure there are plenty of other aspects of these games you do care about and would hate to see ignored and disrespected. Send your comment to yourself then and see how it makes YOU feel.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 28, 2017 9:34:23 GMT
Really...? This is even a genuine complaint? I find it rediculous the way even games now try and shoe horn in modern agendas on sexuality in the name of equality... You don't live in the modern world with modern agendas? Good to know. Considering, if you regard the actual statistics, that homosexuality and bisexuality affect like 0.01% of the population, I'm constantly amazed why this is presented and pushed as such a 'big deal' ? Frankly I think this world faces more important issues. Where did you get these statistics? 0,01%? What?
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Post by Frhozen on Mar 28, 2017 9:36:06 GMT
It's not the biggest issue in the world of course but they spend all this time teasing romances, put so much effort into the romance with Cora for example have several options for everyone except gay male characters. Listen... I could care less who romances who... but the Cora romance was nothing special. It literally amounted to a hot little number and that was it. No buildup. Just we're two good looking people who are trying to make it in a new galaxy.. lot of depth there! Yeah, the writing across the board isn't great so I'm not surprised that the straight romances aren't exactly Oscar-worthy on that front but you can still see that a lot more effort went into them, especially on the animation front. Not to mention that her character as a whole gets more and better content than either Gil or Reyes who didn't even get faces of their own.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 28, 2017 9:37:38 GMT
The romance scene was the only scene in the game with good facial animations. Even if it didn't come across the way it was obviously intended don't deny how much work obviously went into that romance. Agreed. Cora was animated at her best this entire scene. (her face!) no puns intended. I don't actually care so much about the sex scenes or what romance options I have or don't have. I don't exclusively play gay romances anyway. I'm just tired of token gay/bi characters. If they don't want to make any of the bros on the squad gay then fine but don't come up with some token gay who is obviously only gay to fill a quota and expect to get anything other than criticism for it. They got away with it in ME3 because it hadn't really been done before so it was seen as progressive but it isn't really, it's just tokenism.
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Post by zaeedisking on Mar 28, 2017 9:41:17 GMT
Listen... I could care less who romances who... but the Cora romance was nothing special. It literally amounted to a hot little number and that was it. No buildup. Just we're two good looking people who are trying to make it in a new galaxy.. lot of depth there! Yeah, the writing across the board isn't great so I'm not surprised that the straight romances aren't exactly Oscar-worthy on that front but you can still see that a lot more effort went into them, especially on the animation front. Not to mention that her character as a whole gets more and better content than either Gil or Reyes who didn't even get faces of their own. Sh*t I'll be honest as a straight dude Reyes seemed to have the best potential story content... but yeah Gil/Reyes had ME1 CC presets/archetypes. I'd trade Cora's animation for a better storyline romance/content wise.
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Post by aionis on Mar 28, 2017 9:52:19 GMT
Priorities are all messed up. Everyone's easily insulted, everyone's that one special snowflake, everyone must be represented....all while games are becoming more and more generic and uninspired due to "my character's not a vegan, i must protest" attitude. Ugh.... This doesn't even have to do with fucking representation. It has to do with how gay male romances are shafted and treated like shit in quality while straight men, women and lesbians get the brunt of...actual romantic content. And don't even act like it isn't a big deal because A LOT of people enjoyed the Liara romance or Miranda romance and it became a prime part of people's playthroughs. Asking for that much with gay male romances isn't being a damn 'snowflake' cut it out.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 28, 2017 9:53:16 GMT
Sure are a lot of these threads... Not surprising.. BW games are like a magnet to "certain people". Also: Most romances in this game a superficial shit... just saying.
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Post by Frhozen on Mar 28, 2017 10:08:54 GMT
Yeah, the writing across the board isn't great so I'm not surprised that the straight romances aren't exactly Oscar-worthy on that front but you can still see that a lot more effort went into them, especially on the animation front. Not to mention that her character as a whole gets more and better content than either Gil or Reyes who didn't even get faces of their own. Sh*t I'll be honest as a straight dude Reyes seemed to have the best potential story content... but yeah Gil/Reyes had ME1 CC presets/archetypes. I'd trade Cora's animation for a better storyline romance/content wise. Reyes is more interesting as a character than many of the squadmates, that much I'll agree on . mrjack Just leave it be, they're not worth it.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 28, 2017 11:15:29 GMT
You guys can't just agree to disagree? Really?
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 28, 2017 12:27:51 GMT
LOL I shouldn't have come here, the lack of empathy in this thread is real. Enjoy your privileges.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 14:15:28 GMT
LOL I shouldn't have come here, the lack of empathy in this thread is real. Enjoy your privileges. Yes, sad but true... especially if you imagine what shitstorm would have happened if straight guys were in our position. But I'm glad that there are at least some people who are empathic enough to sympathize with our situation...
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Post by wittand25 on Mar 28, 2017 14:15:49 GMT
Not just that but apparently there was again more hate for Cora. For what this time? Because apparently some people are upset that she isn't a gay/bisexual romance option. This same thing kinda happened with Cassandra how some fans were disappointed that she wasn't a gay romance option. (Though it seems she was originally going to be at one point but oh well) It's funny how Cora just can't ever catch a break. None of these tweets are mentioned in the Kotaku article. And the only way Cora comes up is that she is the romance option that got by far the most effort from BioWare. The whole article is about the lack of quality male/male options, considering that for these there are only two non-squadmates with half the lines and CC-faces. So Question one: Where did you get the image from ? Question two: Why do you comment on an article that you obviously did not read ?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Mar 28, 2017 14:20:02 GMT
Bioware should have stuck with the four bisexual characters approach... or playersexual or whatever.
Not because romance-gating sucks. I kind of like it for replay value. But because of discussions like these. Somebody will ALWAYS feel excluded if you start down this road of "presentation". It feels like ticking a box. It's hypocritical, especially considering how gay men are still underrepresented in comparison. So what's the point?
I really wish developers would focus on writing good characters again and treat romances as a small side adventure. I strongly oppose the romance madness that Bioware has engaged in since DAI to please everyone's special sexuality. We had EIGHT romances, now we have TEN, I heard? That's crazy. That's going down the dating sim road, and fast. Bioware romances aren't even well done most of the time.
I never understood what was wrong about playersexual. Everybody is equal, everybody wins.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 28, 2017 14:37:24 GMT
ok OP Im not trying to be mean ok. but you realize these characters and there "romance's" are not real right IT'S A GAME. Im pretty sure there are better things to worry about. Im a straight male LGB rights supporter btw so im not anti gay. It's a game, we know it's not real, we want to enjoy contents other groups have, we bring it up, so they could fix it in the next game, so it doesn't happen again. As you said, it's a game, so we want the developers to make a game where everyone can enjoy their game. It's precisely because it's a game that it's something that can be changed. The straight guys also complained about Dragon Age Inquisition having more option for straight females, the gay players didn't complain that much because we have exactly the same number as every group. The straight players are also complained about Mass Effect Andromeda because the females are "ugly" despite having the most options. I don't see why when the gay players bring up a point, it gets downplayed when the straight players do it all the time.
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Post by bloodofthefirst on Mar 28, 2017 14:45:45 GMT
Bioware should have stuck with the four bisexual characters approach... or playersexual or whatever. Not because romance-gating sucks. I kind of like it for replay value. But because of discussions like these. Somebody will ALWAYS feel excluded if you start down this road of "presentation". It feels like ticking a box. It's hypocritical, especially considering how gay men are still underrepresented in comparison. So what's the point? I really wish developers would focus on writing good characters again and treat romances as a small side adventure. I strongly oppose the romance madness that Bioware has engaged in since DAI to please everyone's special sexuality. We had EIGHT romances, now we have TEN, I heard? That's crazy. That's going down the dating sim road, and fast. Bioware romances aren't even well done most of the time. I never understood what was wrong about playersexual. Everybody is equal, everybody wins. Somehow it's not realistic for some people. I hate set orientation, especially the way Bioware does it. They typecast gay characters because they said that "it has to make sense" for gay characters to be gay, meaning that sexuality has to define a character instead of a character happened to be gay. Whenever set sexuality is in the game, gay players always get the scraps and the leftover. The bisexual characters are playersexual instead of bisexual because they are created for the opposite sex before switching it for the same gender. It's very obvious and blatant in this game where Peebee rides an invisible dick while Scott stares at the sky instead of Reyes.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Mar 28, 2017 15:39:56 GMT
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 28, 2017 16:31:24 GMT
As for the Cora thing while I don't think there is any problem with Cora being straight I think I understand where some of these people are coming from. Bioware always seem to make their lesbian or bisexual female characters quite feminine, girly, quirky ect. The "butch" women are always straight or at least unromancable. I think they do this to avoid stereotypes but it's kind of silly because they just end up perpetuating other stereotypes and ideas about women who aren't heterosexual.
Like it's almost as if some straight people think it's progressive that a character like Jack isn't interested in women, because well THAT would be a homophobic stereotype about lesbians. Even though there are plenty of lesbians with that kind of look and plenty of lesbians into women with that kind of look. Same goes for gay men and characters like Dorian who was criticised for being too stereotypical.
Also I've seen plenty of comments and tweets ect from straight men complaining that Suvi is a lesbian, but nobody made a collage of those to bash that part of the fanbase with did they.
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Post by lurkinganon on Mar 28, 2017 17:26:49 GMT
I just wanted to romance an alien guy (Turian, Salarian, Angara or even Krogan) as Scott
That's the disappointment for me.
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Post by adzi on Mar 28, 2017 21:40:12 GMT
I'm straight and I would gladly romance Jaal as Scott after my Peebee and Vetra playthrough, I just want more Aliens they are the stars of this series. Also Cora looks good to me, I get a 80's sci-fi vibe with her appearance.
Gil looks like a minor npc to me and the fact that he is at the back of the ship not help.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 28, 2017 22:50:35 GMT
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