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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 28, 2017 20:48:23 GMT
Before I get to play Andromeda this weekend, I thought I would first try to read all 500 pages of the prequel book Nexus Uprising for a little background. I do think the book is pretty good, with the authors managing to describe a seemingly hopeless scenario and the tough decisions the people have to make to recover. Here are some thoughts about the events of the book (at least, the first half). Warning: Spoilers! 1. We got some much better details on what the Krogan are doing in the Initiative, as well as why they may not be so trusting of the Initiative. It seems that all the Krogan in this game are going to be from the Nakmor clan and that they apparently already have some genetic resistance to the genophage. Nobody knows yet what it is, but according to Kesh, the Nakmor clan was invited by the Initiative since they practically built the Nexus. Unfortunately, it seems the Initiative isn't appreciating their efforts, which may explain why they eventually leave and decide to settle on their own planet (again, this is coming from the first half. I'll update when I finish the second half.) 2. Why is Jaruun Tann head of the Nexus and where is Jien Garson? Well, Garson's dead. Yeah. She was one of the many casualties from the first run in with the Scourge. Considering that I know the voice actor from the spectacular Sense8 show on Netflix, this was disappointing for me, as well as a bit of a cop out. Oh well, at least I can safely say that Tann is an...interesting character so far. I was kind of expecting a snobby jerk like Udina, and while he does have this uptightness you'd expect from a beauracrat, he's somehow neither a bad guy or a good guy. You definitely see he has concerns for the Initiative, and he makes valid points about the recovery of the mission, but at the same time, he does seem really cold at times, considering he bases his decisions on logic rather than emotions (expect that from a salarian).
And that is for are, pretty much it. I still have the second half of the book to go, and I will update this thread with thoughts based on the second half.
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Post by kukumburr on Mar 28, 2017 20:57:23 GMT
I finished the book recently, it is pretty good although I think it drags a little bit at some points. The Jien Garson stuff is a lot more interesting in context with something you find out in the game. I'm still wondering why Addison was in that one room Sloane found her in. She said she was looking for the bathroom or something but Sloane seemed to think that was fishy. I don't remember any more being said about it though.
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Post by vyndral on Mar 29, 2017 0:14:29 GMT
I enjoyed the book. It certainly made me feel certain ways about certain NPCs in the game. For those interested in why the Krogan Split but don't want to read After a the revolt on the nexus Tann is afraid security can't handle it or to many on his side will be killed so he wakes the Krogan. Being used like this before the Krogan say no. Tanns man, Spender, promises them a seat on new council forming on the Nexus. The Krogan help, easily crushing the revolt. Tann back tracks on the deal. The Krogan leave the same time the Exiles (the rebels that lived) are banished.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Mar 29, 2017 16:28:09 GMT
After finishing the rest of the book, here's what I'll say about the rest. It is an enjoyable book. It does drag a bit at certain points, but it still manages to pack enough suspense to keep you interested. Here are my new thoughts and revelations based on the book. 1. I take back what I was thinking about Jarrun Tann. While I get that he's trying to do whatever's possible to protect the Nexus, he obviously has no idea how to handle the situation. His speech to request people to go back to Cryostasis was terrible and he even decides to send the Krogan, as soldiers, to deal with their mess rather than do what Sloane was trying to do which was just talking Calix. 2. I'm just going to admit that when both Calix and Sloane switched sides, it was a little too sudden. I do get why though. 3. History repeated itself The Krogan were used as weapons and weren't given any kind of recognition, resulting in them decided to leave and set up their own colony. 4. It's interesting hearing how all the planets are "dead" knowing full well that when we get to Andromeda, the Initiative have at least tried settling in these dead planets. Even Sloane later runs a crime empire on a supposedly dead planet. 5. The Scourge is alive? Well, I can't say I'm not worried to find out why.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 29, 2017 16:54:33 GMT
Thanks for the info.
I hope I can read the book some day, but right now I'm financial drained.
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Post by inert on Mar 29, 2017 19:14:29 GMT
Book was good. I didn't read the last novel (cereal killer) for good reason. This one seemed much more on track with the narrative and lore and gave perspective to Andromeda's plot and some side quests. The one thing that really stuck was the sympathy I had for Sloane. Had I not read the book, I would have let her die and have Reyes take over on Kadara.
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Post by canuckgamer on Mar 29, 2017 20:22:08 GMT
I finished the book recently, it is pretty good although I think it drags a little bit at some points. The Jien Garson stuff is a lot more interesting in context with something you find out in the game. I'm still wondering why Addison was in that one room Sloane found her in. She said she was looking for the bathroom or something but Sloane seemed to think that was fishy. I don't remember any more being said about it though. I have had major suspicions about Addison and wouldn't be surprised if she has some connection with the "Benefactor". Especially when she was shocked to find out Tann was ahead of her in the list. I think she thought for sure she was taking over.
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Post by laxian on Apr 2, 2017 13:40:43 GMT
Ok, I've read it now, too (read it in one sitting - well, almost. I took a short break for some food) and I must say I feel even less empathic about those exiles now! They are IMHO the most selfish pieces of shit on that fucking space station (!) - they stockpiled food, equipment etc. even when there was NO rationing in place (note: I think they should have rationed food from the start as to make it clear to everybody that this was a survival situation, then again: All those leaders were replacements and I think even the originals wouldn't have imposed rationing right from the start (I like the A.I. leader (Garson) even less now, there were no emergency plans on record it seems - Tann and Sloan Kelly had to make them up as they went (!) (Addiso was no help!))! Hell, they kill people and they aren't even sorry (or horrified by what they have done, even soldiers would be horrified IMHO if they have killed without being on a battlefield or without protecting somebody else...supports my idea that vetting for the A.I. wasn't well thought out if so much SCUM (!) came along!) - they feel justified (I don't think they are in the right!)...sure: Leadership should NOT lie to them, but on the other hand they should not hoard food and try oust the leadership (they signed on with the A.I. so they have to obey the rules!) Then they wake people up by faking leadership codes (and/or fake messages from the leaders!), even when resources are already tight? Damned! Selfish fucks - call me cold but I would not expose a friend or loved one to that (I'd want them save in stasis, not awake to be subjected to rationing etc.) Hell, I'd have gladly returned to stasis when faced with fucking limited food (I'd have taken a look if there's enough power for this and that there's an emergency wake-up-protocol in place (so that there's a chance for survival should power run out!), but otherwise? Yeah, I'd have gone back to fucking stasis - GLADLY!) and having been worked hard to keep the Nexus fucking together! It's a well deserved rest IMHO! As for the characters? I feel sorry for Tann, but I think he has guts (making the Krogan step in? Ballsy move! Same for ordering security to take that Turian mutiny-leader out!) I hate Spender now (and feel bad for the Krogan!), not that I liked him before! I hate Addison even more now (sure she's depressed etc. but that's no reason to more or less give up and give your support to who appeals to you more that day, not necessarily who has the better idea!) I like Kesh even more now I don't understand Sloan Kelly (I like her at the start, she's the one who should be the leader IMHO - not Addison or Tann (note: How does a bureaucrate end up on the succession list but the chief of security DOES NOT? Or at least: Way way down the line?) - but at the end? I want to shoot her (myself!) even more, especially since I don't really know if Reyes is the better choice!) - I think she has guts etc. for what she does in the book (trying to negotiate with the mutineers, despite the fact that most don't like her, especially since she punched that Asari (note: I'd have shot her for treason, for stealing that data...I mean that data made the uprising possible in the first place, otherwise those assholes would NOT have had guns! Then again: I'd have changed those locks ASAP and I'd have doubled the guards (or: Made it look like the codes hadn't changed...a TRAP! I'd move the weapons secretly and let the people try to steal something that's no longer there, while my security lies in wait!))), but that she kills those Krogan? Why? They are doing what you already proposed (she's a hardass normally and proposes spaciong people and now that somebody does attack and take the mutineers out she suddenly grows a conscience? Damned woman, stop being damned bi-polar!), same for taking that Turian leader out (she'd have ordered that, too IMHO!)...same for not returning to stasis (she wouldn't have asked for volunteers, she'd have had her security ESCORT (as in: Force at gunpoint!) people to their pods (!))...Her changing sides IMHO makes no sense (!) Also: Why does someone who wants a just society without all that baggage the MW-Society has suddenly turn into a fucking criminal kingpin who takes protection money (not to mention has people beaten up in the street!) and would make Aria T'Loak PROUD/ENVIOUS? I mean yes, they've left the Nexus, but why do this? Why not really build a democratic society? Call me whatever you want, but she kind of makes Aria look harmless (I have not seen people beaten on the street on Omega or seen somebody run a protection racket (Aria rules Omega, but she doesn't take protection money as far as we know!), sure it might happen (probably does, but we don't have hard evidence, here we do have that!)) Still, good read and it does answer some questions I had (Note: @bioware: The book before the game next time, ok? (at least a week before release! So I have finished reading it when I get to the game!)) greetings LAX
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Post by Fogg on Apr 2, 2017 13:57:15 GMT
I finished the book recently, it is pretty good although I think it drags a little bit at some points. The Jien Garson stuff is a lot more interesting in context with something you find out in the game. I'm still wondering why Addison was in that one room Sloane found her in. She said she was looking for the bathroom or something but Sloane seemed to think that was fishy. I don't remember any more being said about it though. She's the only one of those 20 leaders that survives, making her quite te suspect. Also, the writers never crawl inside her mind (like they do with Sloane, Tann and Kesh) to describe what's she's actually thinking, so anything is possible.
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Post by yokyok on Apr 2, 2017 15:51:26 GMT
The first time I saw Addison she struck me as pissed off for not being in charge of everything. I mean, that was my impression of her at least. There's something very off about her, and I don't mean the tired face with horrible makeup, she simply doesn't give a damn about the initiative. She just does stuff to keep herself busy, and she does them badly. Or on purpose is she being bad at it. When you keep around someone as useless as Spender because you claim you're understaffed while everyone else has issues with him, then there's something wrong with you.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 2, 2017 18:24:21 GMT
I finished the book recently, it is pretty good although I think it drags a little bit at some points. The Jien Garson stuff is a lot more interesting in context with something you find out in the game. I'm still wondering why Addison was in that one room Sloane found her in. She said she was looking for the bathroom or something but Sloane seemed to think that was fishy. I don't remember any more being said about it though. She's the only one of those 20 leaders that survives, making her quite te suspect. Also, the writers never crawl inside her mind (like they do with Sloane, Tann and Kesh) to describe what's she's actually thinking, so anything is possible. That's it then. Until we learn more (presumably in a DLC, because this doesn't seem to be the sort of thing to wait for another game), I'm assuming that person is the killer and will continue to seriously distrust her. I think it's why I use every opportunity possible to make her look bad - and there are a couple of times when that can be done.
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Post by Darkstarr11 on Apr 2, 2017 20:12:26 GMT
Read the book, quite enjoyed it. Liked the characters (with exceptions). 1 - Liked Sloane. I kinda get why she turned out the way she did, the PTSD that she suffered, the fact that she got screwed over...she was at the edge, and snapped. Plus, after knowing that some of the people started to go a little nuts out there due to a variety of items (toxins, food, radiation, etc) not shocked she went extremely Renegade. I saved her, hope in time she gets better (she probably won't).
2 - Tann was never supposed to be in the position he was. A numbers guy who tried to think logically (logic sans emotion is NOT rational, especially when you are dealing with emotionally charged INDIVIDUALS instead of numbers), but has the charisma of a warthog without the redeeming qualities. Screwing over Sloane and the Krogan was idiotic, and his desire to keep secrets absolutely bit him hard on the backside. Bit him ad EVERYONE ELSE. Though, I am glad that by endgame, he was able to admit that he was wrong. He's a weasel, but he WILL eat crow if he has to.
3 - Addison. Hated her in the book, hated her in the game. A pencil pusher, and an idiot. I'm trying to think of a time when she DIDN'T make things worse, long or short term. For someone who was supposedly competent at her job, she really made a case for 'first one out the airlock'. If she had any spine when it came to Tann, things might not have spiraled out of control. A bureaucrat, nothing more. Cutting out Sloane, trusting Spender so she didn't have to deal with details, and then IN GAME repeatedly screwing over the Ryder Twins. The amount of disrespect she showed towards Alec was staggering. Guy was a hero at one point...and she spits on his rank AND on Garson's decision to bring him aboard. I get where she was coming from about him promoting his child, but then she goes and tries to delay the Tempest by having them pull inventory as they were about to take off? Hiring mercs behind everyone's back...which backfired, and got people killed. Her actions weren't questionable...they were mutinous. I can see WHY the decision as to how the outposts would be set up was NOT under her purview. Add in her anti-militarism (yes, we've got colonists out there who are DYING...so lets give the guns to a mercenary band INSTEAD of those who needed it), and you've got someone ill suited for the frontier. When they set up a Council...set up a tribunal and PUNT her back to the Milky Way. 4, 5, 6 - Spender should have been shot. Repeatedly. Morda REALLY should have ended him. Tann should have banished him. Kesh SHOULD have airlocked him. Guy was a scumbag who cared NOTHING beyond his own advancement. If he'd found a way to kill off the Nexus leadership so he could take over, he'd have done it. He KNEW how to play people, I'll give him that. First allowing the mutineers access to the weapons THEN calling for support. Second, his deal with the Krogan, which has witnesses...what happened to the human witnesses? I notice we NEVER heard from them again...hmmm. His argument with the tech about the air filters? Arming the exiles to kill off the Krogan? What was he doing, trying to start a war? I had him exiled...my only regret is that I didn't get to tell the Krogan WHICH port he was being dumped on...so they could 'welcome' him. 7 - Garson's murder...frightening implications. WHO murdered her? The cover up by Tann (not surprising, all considered) was done to prevent a panic, but it REALLY should have been investigated. We have no idea WHY, or WHO. They might still be loose, and we don't know who they work for. Cerberus? Citadel Council? Alliance? STG? Someone ELSE? She knew someone was out to get her, tried to warn Alec...and we know what happened to HIM. If you have a Cerberus agent out there...indoctrinated possibly, or an entire cell, which is extremely plausible, things will get bad. Whoever it is, we don't know their agenda...well, not yet anyway. Why though? Thats disturbing. Did she know something more? I hope we find out.
Book was great, so was the game. Hope the next one is just as interesting.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 2, 2017 23:19:12 GMT
I don't think Aria, as scummy as she is, takes protection money. I think she actually is meant to provide a sense of stability to Omega and the Terminus Systems, and of course it is implied that she is at least allowed to do so by the Council and/or Matriarchs for this reason.
Sloane is more understandable than Aria. Aria is more overtly selfish in my opinion and enjoys the power and control more. But Sloane is simply unqualified to rule anything. She'd have been great as a militaristic authority figure to establish safety for many, but beyond that, she isn't enough for a better future.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 3, 2017 4:20:45 GMT
I don't think Aria, as scummy as she is, takes protection money. I think she actually is meant to provide a sense of stability to Omega and the Terminus Systems, and of course it is implied that she is at least allowed to do so by the Council and/or Matriarchs for this reason. Sloane is more understandable than Aria. Aria is more overtly selfish in my opinion and enjoys the power and control more. But Sloane is simply unqualified to rule anything. She'd have been great as a militaristic authority figure to establish safety for many, but beyond that, she isn't enough for a better future. I'm imagine Aria does take protection money because it's Omega and she's no worse than taxes. But being Aria isn't that much for Sloane.
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Post by shaqfu on Apr 3, 2017 6:07:48 GMT
I really don't feel bad for Sloane after reading it. She was just as incompetent at her job as everybody else. People say it's all Tanns fault for throwing in the krogan to deal with it while she was negotiating, but fact is she didn't tell anybody she was going to go negotiate in the first place. When she split up from her team she told them "I have something I need to take care of, its need to know only" So nobody had any idea she was even there negotiating. Not to mention she didn't change the passcodes when they were initially stolen and took Calix at his word that he had no idea about it, and didn't put any other eyes on his crew. How she was hired as lead security is a mystery I did like the book though. However the game made the uprising seem alot more intense then it was. Thought it was going to be a lot larger and last longer but it was actually over pretty fast. The whole Garson mystery though is what I'm really more interested in.
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Post by yarazin on Apr 4, 2017 7:37:47 GMT
I read the book and finished the game (played the game 1st) and have a couple questions about the Nexus itself. Maybe I am over analyzing or maybe I am missing something.
When the Nexus left the Milky Way, wasn't it just one half completed and none of the ring at all? How many months was it until the Exiles left, I don't think any construction was done during that time, just repair and some cleanup. After the Exiles and Krogan left, how did any construction get done with so little resources and people? How did they get any more of it completed, and in how much time?
The Nexus looked so pretty and no damage that I could see when the Hyperion found it. All the green grass etc in the background. I loved the game its just things like that bug the crud out of me. I wish they would have better explained that, maybe I missed a codex entry?
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 4, 2017 7:44:15 GMT
I read the book and finished the game (played the game 1st) and have a couple questions about the Nexus itself. Maybe I am over analyzing or maybe I am missing something. When the Nexus left the Milky Way, wasn't it just one half completed and none of the ring at all? How many months was it until the Exiles left, I don't think any construction was done during that time, just repair and some cleanup. After the Exiles and Krogan left, how did any construction get done with so little resources and people? It's never explained, I'm afraid. Well, you can imagine that they mined asteroids for it and everything else which can be mined with drones. 14 months.
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Post by yarazin on Apr 4, 2017 10:15:46 GMT
How did they get any more of it completed, and in how much time? 14 months. Yes 14 months since they arrived but I meant how much time did they actually work on finishing the Nexus? It seems way too far along then I believe it should be under the circumstances. I cant believe the 14 months were spent on that. I have a hard time believing any time was done on that. Depending when the Exiles left, what time/resources/people were left to try and colonize Eos twice, plus continue all the work on the Nexus. In the book, the scouts that come back say Eos is a no go. When did they decide to try outposts on Eos? I want the timeline stuff to make sense to me
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 4, 2017 10:24:06 GMT
Yes 14 months since they arrived but I meant how much time did they actually work on finishing the Nexus? It seems way too far along then I believe it should be under the circumstances. I cant believe the 14 months were spent on that. I have a hard time believing any time was done on that. Depending when the Exiles left, what time/resources/people were left to try and colonize EOS twice, plus continue all the work on the Nexus. In the book, the scouts that come back say EOS is a no go. When did they decide to try outposts on EOS? I want the timeline stuff to make sense to me I don't remember how long it took for rebellion to happen (was exact time even given?), but it's safe enough to assume it was quite early on. So they probably had at least a year for all that.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 15, 2017 13:10:45 GMT
Read the book. Some interesting stuff though i found myself disliking Sloane Kelly more and more as it went on. Still find the whole exile decision reached at the end of the book makes little sense given the resource situation.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 15, 2017 13:16:52 GMT
Read the book. Some interesting stuff though i found myself disliking Sloane Kelly more and more as it went on. Still find the whole exile decision reached at the end of the book makes little sense given the resource situation. Felt the same about her. She was fine until she actually had to interact with other people. If they weren't just like her she assumed they weren't worth her time. So she got along with the krogan and turians but not salarians and often not humans. By the time we reach the game she's little more than a thug.
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Post by raikas on Apr 15, 2017 18:53:38 GMT
Book was good. I didn't read the last novel (cereal killer) for good reason. This one seemed much more on track with the narrative and lore and gave perspective to Andromeda's plot and some side quests. The one thing that really stuck was the sympathy I had for Sloane. Had I not read the book, I would have let her die and have Reyes take over on Kadara. I actually the opposite reaction to Sloane in the book. Pretty early on she has that conversation with Tann about saving one person in the present when it might result in the loss of a whole section of people in stasis. It really made me think that regardless of how competent she might or might not be in a crisis, she definitely didn't have the vision to run a planet.
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Post by inert on Apr 15, 2017 19:45:46 GMT
Book was good. I didn't read the last novel (cereal killer) for good reason. This one seemed much more on track with the narrative and lore and gave perspective to Andromeda's plot and some side quests. The one thing that really stuck was the sympathy I had for Sloane. Had I not read the book, I would have let her die and have Reyes take over on Kadara. I actually the opposite reaction to Sloane in the book. Pretty early on she has that conversation with Tann about saving one person in the present when it might result in the loss of a whole section of people in stasis. It really made me think that regardless of how competent she might or might not be in a crisis, she definitely didn't have the vision to run a planet. True, I don't think she'd make a good leader - but I sympathized with her position. She was idealistic, which provided a good foil to the calculations of Tann. I think if this story continues we will find an agenda behind Addison and Tann's actions which will vindicate Sloane to some degree. Of course, continuity has never been Mac's strong suit so it could be dropped altogether.
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Post by kevpool184 on Apr 16, 2017 1:26:51 GMT
Book was good. I didn't read the last novel (cereal killer) for good reason. This one seemed much more on track with the narrative and lore and gave perspective to Andromeda's plot and some side quests. The one thing that really stuck was the sympathy I had for Sloane. Had I not read the book, I would have let her die and have Reyes take over on Kadara. it was the exact opposite in my case. when i started reading i had my first PT finished. i actually liked sloane back then but after finishing it, i could seriously understand why no one wanted to deal with her shit anymore.
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Post by raikas on Apr 17, 2017 14:33:11 GMT
Maybe I missed something, but in the book isn't Kaetus supposed to be on the Turian ark? Did he get mentioned again? I don't remember anything, but given that in the game he's with Sloane on Kadara, it seems like that timeline wouldn't line up properly if that's true...
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