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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 29, 2017 16:21:40 GMT
well to be fair that "big hole in the sky" was still there after you closed it in terms of looking messed up Yes but in Redcliffe? I couldn't see it. ME3 sure seems a hell of a lot better now, ending included, thanks to MEA. I actually liked ME3 and the gameplay, even the weaker story elements are stronger than most of Andromeda. Which is not saying much IMO. Playing ME3 I kept asking myself "are they even trying?" It felt like a long laundry list of choices you could've made in ME1/2 were just being checked like boxes, then there was fanservice meandering. EDI had no subtlety nor did any of the "Synthetics are people!" crap, then we just close every major plot-point that ever existed in Mass Effect's history in a couple of days/weeks (I think) and Shepard became a sue. Don't get me wrong, I liked some parts of it and at least the contrived Tuchanka arc felt satisfying like a good blockbuster but the entire "summer blockbuster" feel of ME3 was just distasteful IMO. Then they killed Udina (the writers I mean) in cold blood, all ME2 characters became non-important -- all in all I was just not expecting the choice/consequence element to be handled as poorly as it was. It might've been the illusion but I thought my choices felt meaningful in 2 with the way they changed things and 2 being so good it skyrocketed my expectations for 3 only to leave me disappointed a mere 10 minutes into the game because of the autodialogue, tryhard script and all that. ME3 just depresses me. It still does whenever I relive it in my head. Dunno where I stand on MEA yet but at least I'm not feeling pissed because of what it means to a prequel that I played or the character I used to play as. I can more easily just see Andromeda for what it is and not all the broken dreams and promises that were ME3.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 29, 2017 17:16:13 GMT
"laziness" The codeword for "I have no idea how games are actually made." I find BioWare laziness quite a bit as a modder and data miner. lmao
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 29, 2017 18:06:34 GMT
I find BioWare laziness quite a bit as a modder and data miner. lmao Justify the asari clones. If that's not laziness in a 'fuck it, that'll do' way, I don't know what is.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 29, 2017 18:29:19 GMT
I find BioWare laziness quite a bit as a modder and data miner. lmao Preston Watamaniuk even described their coding in places of KotOR, as sloppy, and hacky, and just short of saying "lazy". Glad you got a laugh out of it, but you're the real joke here. If there is a bigger Biower YesMan plant here, it is Andrew Lucas, but by the narrowest of margins.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 29, 2017 19:55:39 GMT
Justify the asari clones. If that's not laziness in a 'fuck it, that'll do' way, I don't know what is. Laziness, clearly. They took an extra long nap that day, then the following day said "Ah, fuck it, no one will notice!"... but nothing gets by you eagle-eyed IT/modder/Holiday Inn customers!
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 29, 2017 19:57:21 GMT
Preston Watamaniuk even described their coding in places of KotOR, as sloppy, and hacky, and just short of saying "lazy". Glad you got a laugh out of it, but you're the real joke here. If there is a bigger Biower YesMan plant here, it is Andrew Lucas, but by the narrowest of margins.
Who are you, again?
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 29, 2017 20:10:28 GMT
"I work in IT" = the new "I stayed at a Holiday Inn" :lmfao: What can I say, that's the internet, believe me or don't... I've got close to 20 years in the industry, and not a small amount of time I spent within software support and testing, and no: Developers are not only lazy when time or budged force them to, sometimes they just don't bother with details/take shortcuts, and if their project leads or QA don't intervene, that stuff remains in the product, for the customers to complain about... to me, for instance. I'm still not clear on the mechanics of being lazy. I joked upthread about playing Overwatch rather than coding, but did I accidentally hit the truth? Back when I worked iln legal publishing we did have regular Half-Life and CS games going, but this was just burning off slack in our production schedules; with everyone making his deliverables it didn't matter what we did with those hours.
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Post by ShiftyCow on Mar 29, 2017 20:10:42 GMT
What can I say, that's the internet, believe me or don't... I've got close to 20 years in the industry, and not a small amount of time I spent within software support and testing, and no: Developers are not only lazy when time or budged force them to, sometimes they just don't bother with details/take shortcuts, and if their project leads or QA don't intervene, that stuff remains in the product, for the customers to complain about... to me, for instance. Having spent the last several years in both the QC side and the project coordination side of the software industry... I definitely have your back on this one.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 29, 2017 20:33:21 GMT
Preston Watamaniuk even described their coding in places of KotOR, as sloppy, and hacky, and just short of saying "lazy". Glad you got a laugh out of it, but you're the real joke here. If there is a bigger Biower YesMan plant here, it is Andrew Lucas, but by the narrowest of margins.
Who are you, again?
Who are you? I joined the original BioWare forums in 2005, before it became BSN. I was an active member of those forums, then BSN, and now this one. Hi, how are ya? Now that you know I belong, how about yourself? Edit: I know Bill Murray. Whether he agreed with your argument or not, using his image in this way - he would consider a douche move. I would agree with him.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 29, 2017 20:49:07 GMT
Who are you? I joined the original BioWare forums in 2005, before it became BSN. I was an active member of those forums, then BSN, and now this one. Hi, how are ya? Now that you know I belong, how about yourself? Edit: I know Bill Murray. Whether he agreed with your argument or not, using his image in this way - he would consider a douche move. I would agree with him. Boy, there's a lot of weird crazy to unpack here.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 29, 2017 21:05:31 GMT
I'm still not clear on the mechanics of being lazy. Roll 1d6+1. On a 2, dev of the game that aggrieved you implemented the feature on time but did a crappy job. On a 3 to 4, dev decided to leave the feature for a later patch. On a 5 to 7, dev slipped into a sedentary lifestyle-based coma for 2d8 months and the feature was scrapped. I'm a modder/data miner/hacker/member of BSN for 45 years/secret EA PR plant/Bill Murray's golf buddy/my dad works at Nintendo/seen a few shops in my day, that's how I know this.
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 29, 2017 21:11:42 GMT
Justify the asari clones. If that's not laziness in a 'fuck it, that'll do' way, I don't know what is. Laziness, clearly. They took an extra long nap that day, then the following day said "Ah, fuck it, no one will notice!"... but nothing gets by you eagle-eyed IT/modder/Holiday Inn customers! And again, please justify it. I've tried and failed.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 29, 2017 21:17:23 GMT
And again, please justify it. I've tried and failed. Laziness, obviously. Laziness explains everything. Laziness and ancient aliens.
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 29, 2017 21:31:37 GMT
And again, please justify it. I've tried and failed. Laziness, obviously. Laziness explains everything. Laziness and ancient aliens. Uh huh. Do go on...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 22:10:09 GMT
Justify the asari clones. If that's not laziness in a 'fuck it, that'll do' way, I don't know what is. Probably an artifact of early development that didn't get corrected. It's not unusual for studios to put temporary "filler" textures in the world as placeholders while they're waiting for the final ones from the art team. For whatever reason, replacing them before shipping fell through the cracks and just didn't get done.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 29, 2017 22:32:07 GMT
I'd go for "lazy" too.
Then BioWare jumps at me from Twitter: "WTF, who you calling lazy, you have no idea how many hours we spent working on this game! I wrote two full-length novels worth of text! blabla!"
Yes, but you can still do that in a lazy way! :gentleman:
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 29, 2017 22:44:36 GMT
Who are you? I joined the original BioWare forums in 2005, before it became BSN. I was an active member of those forums, then BSN, and now this one. Hi, how are ya? Now that you know I belong, how about yourself? Edit: I know Bill Murray. Whether he agreed with your argument or not, using his image in this way - he would consider a douche move. I would agree with him. Boy, there's a lot of weird crazy to unpack here. I'll take weird crazy. Fun Fact: besides my opinion of Murray's probable opinion of your meme usage, everything I said was true.
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Post by rpgmaster on Mar 29, 2017 22:53:03 GMT
"laziness" The codeword for "I have no idea how games are actually made." I have a feeling a lot of the people who worked on this game have no idea how games are actually made.
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Post by Sondergaard on Mar 29, 2017 23:14:19 GMT
Justify the asari clones. If that's not laziness in a 'fuck it, that'll do' way, I don't know what is. Probably an artifact of early development that didn't get corrected. It's not unusual for studios to put temporary "filler" textures in the world as placeholders while they're waiting for the final ones from the art team. For whatever reason, replacing them before shipping fell through the cracks and just didn't get done. I know. But of all the things they could have let go it was this. I'm not bothered about bugs (well, I am but they'll get patched) but this they looked at and thought 'meh, not worth fixing'. It's not a bug, it's a choice. Somebody fucked up and somebody else didn't think an army of asari clones was a big deal. Maybe I'm expecting too much from a AAA game in 2017.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 30, 2017 0:42:07 GMT
Of course. It's the gamer version of explanatory impotence.
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Post by alihou on Mar 30, 2017 0:43:00 GMT
You're not with Ryder from start to finish. When do they sleep? Is Ryder present for every single conversation the crew has with other people? The timeline is wacky, you know why? It's a game. It was only 30 years ago that 8 bit gaming was revolutionary. Yes, games have come a long way, but they are still not "perfect," nor will they ever be in every gamer's eyes. These tiny little nitpicks don't bother me. I just sit back and enjoy. I completely disagree if tiny nitpicks are not done devs won't be able to improve. Also certain people's standards are different. Minor issues to one can mean different to others. I personally have really high standards, so issues like this are a big deal. This game is packed with inconsistencies and oversights.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 30, 2017 1:52:28 GMT
One thing I'm really tired of with recent BioWare games, particularly this and Inquisition but also ME3 is how many times the continuity is lacking due to oversights or because of a lack of attention to detail. Particularly simple things like gameplay when you see an Architect enemy, the first time you should literally have no idea about what it is but because it's a mechanic the squad yells "Woah, it's an architect!". This is like in ME3 when James goes "Harvester incoming" on the third main mission and while there may be some obscure reason for why they have these labels like military data it has to be communicated properly first IMO, and you can't excuse something like "but there are time skips. Ryder was told off-screen". No, that's BS because I'm with Ryder from start to finish. There's this with enemies and also how Jaal and the Angara start talking about how many Asari they've met when I've literally went straight to Voeld after I get him on the squad and done a lot of stuff there. I know technically he's put on the Nexus as soon as you recruit him but c'mon. Phasing and companion progression is the name of the game here. BioWare should be able to do better. A big hurdle about crafting open-world games with story such as this, Fallout or Witcher 3 is exactly the many ways continuity can be altered because of player-freedom. I feel like BioWare didn't test this properly. I had the same issue with how many times people refered to "that big hole in the sky" in Inquisition AFTER I had closed it and how the Crucible is refered to two-three times before it's unveiled in ME3. This. When I killed my first architect on Eos I was expecting some dialogue from suvi or other squadmates about killing it or it existing. Shame.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 30, 2017 2:09:02 GMT
I'd go for "lazy" too. Then BioWare jumps at me from Twitter: "WTF, who you calling lazy, you have no idea how many hours we spent working on this game! I wrote two full-length novels worth of text! blabla!" Yes, but you can still do that in a lazy way! :gentleman: Also, nobody it talking writers here... as far as cut scenes are concerned, that's a wholly different department... one that was undoubtedly very busy in this game. Still, leaving in placeholder guns and other stuff in cinematics shouldn't happen. Maybe they really ran out of time, who knows, but my bet is they just didn't bother and went the "good enough" route with most of the stuff they did, and that shows.
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Post by suikoden on Mar 30, 2017 2:16:15 GMT
Srsly, sometimes i think i play a complete different game than you guys. Indeed I kind of feel like I'm playing like a young Janeway type character(Star Trek Voyager) tbh in that I'm in command of a ship and crew that's exploring an area of space they've nevre seen before and aer having to think on their feet because they don't have resources outside of their ship really to draw on. Yes it feels different from the trilogy but personally I think it's more interesting because of that. It's all a matter of opinion... To me, the dialogue reads and sounds like it was written by random soccer moms and hipster dads who just finished their first fan-fiction.
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Post by adrynbliss on Mar 30, 2017 3:45:11 GMT
you're not with ryder from start to finish. you ever see him sleep? eat? pee? game takes place over months I believe.
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