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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 29, 2017 1:16:09 GMT
One thing I'm really tired of with recent BioWare games, particularly this and Inquisition but also ME3 is how many times the continuity is lacking due to oversights or because of a lack of attention to detail.
Particularly simple things like gameplay when you see an Architect enemy, the first time you should literally have no idea about what it is but because it's a mechanic the squad yells "Woah, it's an architect!". This is like in ME3 when James goes "Harvester incoming" on the third main mission and while there may be some obscure reason for why they have these labels like military data it has to be communicated properly first IMO, and you can't excuse something like "but there are time skips. Ryder was told off-screen". No, that's BS because I'm with Ryder from start to finish.
There's this with enemies and also how Jaal and the Angara start talking about how many Asari they've met when I've literally went straight to Voeld after I get him on the squad and done a lot of stuff there. I know technically he's put on the Nexus as soon as you recruit him but c'mon. Phasing and companion progression is the name of the game here. BioWare should be able to do better. A big hurdle about crafting open-world games with story such as this, Fallout or Witcher 3 is exactly the many ways continuity can be altered because of player-freedom. I feel like BioWare didn't test this properly.
I had the same issue with how many times people refered to "that big hole in the sky" in Inquisition AFTER I had closed it and how the Crucible is refered to two-three times before it's unveiled in ME3.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 29, 2017 1:18:29 GMT
well to be fair that "big hole in the sky" was still there after you closed it in terms of looking messed up
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 29, 2017 1:37:31 GMT
And why do some Angara use Milky Way omni-tools. They have there own omni-tools that are blue with the floating sphere, but in a certain mission on Voeld they have Milky Way orange Omni-tools. I thought that was weird.
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Post by Nightlife on Mar 29, 2017 2:01:02 GMT
ME3 sure seems a hell of a lot better now, ending included, thanks to MEA. I actually liked ME3 and the gameplay, even the weaker story elements are stronger than most of Andromeda.
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Post by primalrose on Mar 29, 2017 9:21:29 GMT
Yep...sigh, and your player actually reacts to a certain other architect like they've never seen one before, think they set it up presuming you will fight that one first.  Yet one of dozens immersion breaking problems in this game. It's sad games decades ago had this story continuity stuff worked out better. I actually think this will be my last Bioware game I buy at launch, if not ever. Everything that was actually beloved about this series is missing in Andromeda. |
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Post by roenipoeni on Mar 29, 2017 9:28:17 GMT
Everything that was actually beloved about this series is missing in Andromeda. Srsly, sometimes i think i play a complete different game than you guys. |
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 29, 2017 10:14:04 GMT
And why do some Angara use Milky Way omni-tools. They have there own omni-tools that are blue with the floating sphere, but in a certain mission on Voeld they have Milky Way orange Omni-tools. I thought that was weird. That's just BW laziness... just look at the weapons people are using in cut scenes, they are all over the place. It boggles the mind how did never got that right, in four games... especially considering that quad mates can't even change weapons now. |
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 29, 2017 11:04:46 GMT
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Post by FireAndBlood on Mar 29, 2017 11:31:55 GMT
And why do some Angara use Milky Way omni-tools. They have there own omni-tools that are blue with the floating sphere, but in a certain mission on Voeld they have Milky Way orange Omni-tools. I thought that was weird. It's actually mentioned somewhere, I think the codex, that the Angara have started to look into omni-tools. I haven't seen any Angara use it myself though. |
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Mar 29, 2017 11:37:17 GMT
You're not with Ryder from start to finish. When do they sleep? Is Ryder present for every single conversation the crew has with other people? The timeline is wacky, you know why?
It's a game.
It was only 30 years ago that 8 bit gaming was revolutionary. Yes, games have come a long way, but they are still not "perfect," nor will they ever be in every gamer's eyes.
These tiny little nitpicks don't bother me. I just sit back and enjoy.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 29, 2017 11:43:45 GMT
"laziness" The codeword for "I have no idea how games are actually made." Yea... no. I've been in IT long enough to judge if a developer just doesn't give a damn - and since they never bothered doing the weapons (and other small details) right in cut scenes for 10 years, it's save to say they think it's "good enough". ...and, it might not be important to some people - which might lead one to insinuations about dwindling standards among gaming audiences, but that's another topic - but it does show an overall lack of dedication/care for a product. If that's the impression BW wants to to give, it's their choice, I guess... just don't piss on my head in marketing and tell me it's rain. |
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Post by fraggle on Mar 29, 2017 11:51:37 GMT
Usually I'm not that bothered by all this, because yeah, it's a game, and errors happen in all media all the time. Some of those dialogue exchanges also seem like bugs and not correctly set flags or something. But I have to say I would have found it pretty awesome if the angaran race would've claimed their own name for the Andromeda galaxy and the Milky Way and refusing to call them the galaxy names humans gave them  |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 29, 2017 12:37:00 GMT
And why do some Angara use Milky Way omni-tools. They have there own omni-tools that are blue with the floating sphere, but in a certain mission on Voeld they have Milky Way orange Omni-tools. I thought that was weird. It's actually mentioned somewhere, I think the codex, that the Angara have started to look into omni-tools. I haven't seen any Angara use it myself though. Oh really? That's cool. I'd be good with it if there was an explanation. I've actually been avoiding the codex so far because I've heard of a number of people with bugs where the codex has end-game spoilers well before the ending. |
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Post by armass81 on Mar 29, 2017 13:16:22 GMT
Yeah its an issue here and there. There was this one moment on Voeld when Ryder was looking for supply drops side quest, and she asks "should i know who this Akksul is". YES! Cause youve met him on Aya and Jaal has talked about him constantly. It was silly.
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Post by lyvean on Mar 29, 2017 13:24:36 GMT
You're not with Ryder from start to finish. When do they sleep? Is Ryder present for every single conversation the crew has with other people? The timeline is wacky, you know why? It's a game.It was only 30 years ago that 8 bit gaming was revolutionary. Yes, games have come a long way, but they are still not "perfect," nor will they ever be in every gamer's eyes. These tiny little nitpicks don't bother me. I just sit back and enjoy. Why are there AAA games out there that don't have these issues? Just because you don't care about details or immersion, it doesn't mean that people are nitpicking. Get used to it. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 29, 2017 13:29:02 GMT
And why do some Angara use Milky Way omni-tools. They have there own omni-tools that are blue with the floating sphere, but in a certain mission on Voeld they have Milky Way orange Omni-tools. I thought that was weird. Not necessarily as the Nexus had already been there about a year before we get there it's in that year that all hell broke looseand all that Nexus Uprising happened. Judging from m ytalks with the Moshae and Evfra. I get the feeling the exiles and Angara and such had already spoke and traded to an extent but the Angara hadn't spoken officially with the Nexus or discvussed alliances until Ryder arrived on the scene and tried to sort the mess out. |
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 29, 2017 13:30:54 GMT
And why do some Angara use Milky Way omni-tools. They have there own omni-tools that are blue with the floating sphere, but in a certain mission on Voeld they have Milky Way orange Omni-tools. I thought that was weird. Not necessarily as the Nexus had already been there about a year before we get there it's in that year that all hell broke looseand all that Nexus Uprising happened. Judging from m ytalks with the Moshae and Evfra. I get the feeling the exiles and Angara and such had already spoke and traded to an extent but the Angara hadn't spoken officially with the Nexus or discvussed alliances until Ryder arrived on the scene and tried to sort the mess out. ...and yet, Jaal called it "some kind of tool" when he got his on the Tempest. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 29, 2017 13:33:07 GMT
Not necessarily as the Nexus had already been there about a year before we get there it's in that year that all hell broke looseand all that Nexus Uprising happened. Judging from m ytalks with the Moshae and Evfra. I get the feeling the exiles and Angara and such had already spoke and traded to an extent but the Angara hadn't spoken officially with the Nexus or discvussed alliances until Ryder arrived on the scene and tried to sort the mess out. ...and yet, Jaal called it "some kind of tool" when he got his on the Tempest. All that probably means is that he himself has probably never used one before until now or at least not one of ours. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 29, 2017 13:41:48 GMT
Everything that was actually beloved about this series is missing in Andromeda. Srsly, sometimes i think i play a complete different game than you guys. Indeed I kind of feel like I'm playing like a young Janeway type character(Star Trek Voyager) tbh in that I'm in command of a ship and crew that's exploring an area of space they've nevre seen before and aer having to think on their feet because they don't have resources outside of their ship really to draw on. Yes it feels different from the trilogy but personally I think it's more interesting because of that. |
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 29, 2017 14:35:00 GMT
"laziness" The codeword for "I have no idea how games are actually made." Yea... no. I've been in IT long enough to judge if a developer just doesn't give a damn - and since they never bothered doing the weapons (and other small details) right in cut scenes for 10 years, it's save to say they think it's "good enough". ...and, it might not be important to some people - which might lead one to insinuations about dwindling standards among gaming audiences, but that's another topic - but it does show an overall lack of dedication/care for a product. If that's the impression BW wants to to give, it's their choice, I guess... just don't piss on my head in marketing and tell me it's rain. Can you enlighten us on how you distinguish between not giving a damn and project mismanagement which results in not enough time to do everything which ought to be done? From the outside wouldn't they look the same? How does not giving a damn even work in practice? Do people just sit around playing Overwatch for a few hours a day? |
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 29, 2017 14:40:01 GMT
"laziness" The codeword for "I have no idea how games are actually made." Yea... no. I've been in IT long enough to judge if a developer just doesn't give a damn "I work in IT" = the new "I stayed at a Holiday Inn" :lmfao: |
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Post by Innocent Bystander on Mar 29, 2017 15:26:10 GMT
OP, you forgot the worst immersion breaking travesty ever: ALL NON-TERRESTRIALS SPEAK ENGLISH!
Seriously, are all game developers so lazy as to not invent language for every non-human species and instead use 'universal translator' excuse? The audacity!
And I'm totes cereal, this thing pisses me off since first Star Trek I saw.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 29, 2017 15:29:28 GMT
I was more bothered that the angara don't have their own word for the heleus cluster. If only Jaal just said "the cluster" instead of using our word.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 29, 2017 15:29:39 GMT
Yea... no. I've been in IT long enough to judge if a developer just doesn't give a damn "I work in IT" = the new "I stayed at a Holiday Inn" :lmfao: What can I say, that's the internet, believe me or don't... I've got close to 20 years in the industry, and not a small amount of time I spent within software support and testing, and no: Developers are not only lazy when time or budged force them to, sometimes they just don't bother with details/take shortcuts, and if their project leads or QA don't intervene, that stuff remains in the product, for the customers to complain about... to me, for instance.  |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 29, 2017 16:07:53 GMT
"laziness" The codeword for "I have no idea how games are actually made." Sure. Thank God you're here. I have a pretty good idea how games are made. I find BioWare laziness quite a bit as a modder and data miner. Please tell us about your infinite wisdom in this regard. |
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Yet one of dozens immersion breaking problems in this game. It's sad games decades ago had this story continuity stuff worked out better. I actually think this will be my last Bioware game I buy at launch, if not ever. Everything that was actually beloved about this series is missing in Andromeda. 
