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Post by suikoden on Mar 30, 2017 7:13:12 GMT
Baldurs Gate: impenetrable old style d&d game with horrendous ui and combat. Real grind to even do anything, enjoyed by masochists with too much time on their hands. DA:O: A game so tedious that my warden has been stuck in the deep roads for about 4 years. Still at least she can use some presents for some stuff corpse like underwear sex. Oh and another random encounter on the way. ME2: a game that single handedly ripped the plot and soul out of the trilogy, wasting an entire game on daddy issues. It also introduced complete and utterly time sinks like mining, as well as even removing an inventory from an rpg. Yep, it's a shame. Hmm, sounds like this game might be more you speed. But make sure you're in bed by 7!
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Post by JiM on Mar 30, 2017 7:17:31 GMT
It's what happens when EA completely buys out your favourite developer.
+ RIP pre-2008 Battlefield
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 30, 2017 7:20:20 GMT
Yeah no, I'm happy the way things are going.
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Post by rasande on Mar 30, 2017 8:49:30 GMT
Baldurs Gate: impenetrable old style d&d game with horrendous ui and combat. Real grind to even do anything, enjoyed by masochists with too much time on their hands. DA:O: A game so tedious that my warden has been stuck in the deep roads for about 4 years. Still at least she can use some presents for some stuff corpse like underwear sex. Oh and another random encounter on the way. ME2: a game that single handedly ripped the plot and soul out of the trilogy, wasting an entire game on daddy issues. It also introduced complete and utterly time sinks like mining, as well as even removing an inventory from an rpg. Yep, it's a shame. Hmm, sounds like this game might be more you speed. But make sure you're in bed by 7! Ok so you're hanging around a forum for a game you hate flaming people not liking the video games you like for being children. I mean wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.. @op Yah, after 7 years since they sold the company to EA and went in another direction it may be time to stop expecting them to suddenly shift back. Obsidian still make old school RPG's and generally write better than Bioware anyway. You could try out Pillars of Eternity or Tyranny. Both are great.
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Post by lastpawn on Mar 30, 2017 8:58:38 GMT
I'm afraid Bioware was never as great as you seem to think it was. ME2 especially was basically a video game equivalent of a summer blockbuster, with occasional sparks of brilliance (like Legion).
I'll agree with you on one thing though. Bioware used to be run by a bunch of doctors who wanted to make money in order to keep making great video games. Now it's owned by people who want to make games to make money. If you think these are the same, I really don't know what to tell you. We'll still get good games from Bioware -- at least I hope so... ME:A is fine -- but I've long stopped expecting it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 9:33:05 GMT
We'll never get games like Baldur's Gate, DA:O or ME2 ever again from BioWare. To think this studio came up with my favorite game of all time, DA:O, it just hurts. Is it time to move on? DA:O is that perfect blend between old school and modern Bioware, which is why its my all time favourite game. I haven't gotten that exact feeling since that game. Still Trespasser for Inquisition gave me hope for the future of Dragon Age and i'll think the fourth one will be great. Then again i am hopeful sucker who doesn't belong on the Internet where everyone is cynical. Time to move on? Only you can decide what you want to buy, and take part in. If you feel Bioware games no longer fits what you want, then stop playing them? Watch from a far and maybe one day they'll knock it out of the park again, the way you want them too.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 30, 2017 9:59:34 GMT
Hmm, sounds like this game might be more you speed. But make sure you're in bed by 7! You are not doing yourself any favours here, you know.
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Post by thumbfu on Mar 30, 2017 10:59:41 GMT
Dragon Age inquisition i thought had good moment to moment writing and the overall story was decent.
Andromeda has ok moment to moment writing, with some stand out moments that are funny, some heartfelt and other feel on point as well, but other times, specifically some secondary and tertiary characters have total dog shit writing and dialogue, and it stands out as being particularly bad. Overall the story is ok, they could have worked on the world building and politics more and improved the squad members personalities but that's subjective.
After finishing Andromeda I felt a lot better about the game than when I was 20 hours in, and I have high hopes for what comes next as long as they can take lessons from this one and improve the quality and polish.
So no, i'm not giving up on them yet.
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Post by Teddie Sage on Mar 30, 2017 11:01:01 GMT
Where's that guy beating the dead horse gif when I need it?
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Post by anubiros on Mar 30, 2017 11:07:41 GMT
Bioware is still Bioware. Some things have moved into new directions, but this is a natural process and is very much needed, otherwise the games would get stale. You still won't find another developer who creates the same gaming experience you get from a Bioware game.
The main issue with the recent releases is that they are released too soon and are thus unpolished or feel rushed towards the end. The latter was very evident with Mass Effect 3. In Andromeda, the lack of polish is the greatest issue. Either way, there are still great games hidden inside those titles - unfortunately we will continue seeing unfinished releases as long as developers are forced to meet their publisher's deadline. This is not an issue isolated to Bioware games though, the entire industry suffers from it.
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Post by mrtijger on Mar 30, 2017 11:08:07 GMT
We'll never get games like Baldur's Gate, DA:O or ME2 ever again from BioWare. To think this studio came up with my favorite game of all time, DA:O, it just hurts. Is it time to move on? Even more poignant, none of what has come before will ever come again. Deep, huh? All those games were favorites of mine too but I'm not going to fault anyone for not rehashing the same game over and over, thats been tried and it rarely works very well.
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Post by bizantura on Mar 30, 2017 11:22:54 GMT
Nope, Bioware is still on top for covering gameplay for months to come on release. That is the most I want from a game, playing from A to Z several times over and enjoying myself.
I don't know of any perfect game tailored to my every need and want. I do hate adaptation like many people but it is an integral part of life.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 30, 2017 11:28:30 GMT
Yeah no, I'm happy the way things are going. Seriously? www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/mass-effect-andromedaI know "I don't care what MC says, my opinion is what matters." is the go to response. But no fan should be happy about this kind of reception towards the franchise. It's fine to like the games, but it should also be acknowledged that there's room for improvement. IMO, a lot of room for improvement.
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Post by mrtijger on Mar 30, 2017 11:34:37 GMT
Yeah no, I'm happy the way things are going. Seriously? www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/mass-effect-andromedaI know "I don't care what MC says, my opinion is what matters." is the go to response. But no fan should be happy about this kind of reception towards the franchise. It's fine to like the games, but it should also be acknowledged that there's room for improvement. IMO, a lot of room for improvement. Always room for improvement, what I personally object to are the shifting standards that are applied, if ME1 was judged by the same standards it would end up much lower than ME:A. There is a quote floating around from the opening of a review that laments that they used the same type of gameplay, ie being able to loot the kett the minute you kill them without offering any idea how a game like this would be able to function without that mechanism and the same reviewers had no issue with that gameplay in games with much higher ratings which werent judged on that particular mechanism. That invalidates a review for me, personally.
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Post by Ocelot on Mar 30, 2017 11:37:10 GMT
Yeah no, I'm happy the way things are going. Seriously? www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/mass-effect-andromedaI know "I don't care what MC says, my opinion is what matters." is the go to response. But no fan should be happy about this kind of reception towards the franchise. It's fine to like the games, but it should also be acknowledged that there's room for improvement. IMO, a lot of room for improvement. They should fix the technical issues. But I have zero issues with their design choices.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 30, 2017 11:38:30 GMT
No snark: Yes, it's time to move on. For your own sake. That recommendation goes for a lot of you. This shit can't possibly be healthy.
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Post by HunterKipling on Mar 30, 2017 11:41:25 GMT
We'll never get games like Baldur's Gate, DA:O or ME2 ever again from BioWare. To think this studio came up with my favorite game of all time, DA:O, it just hurts. Is it time to move on? Nothing wrong with change. Fans will always have BW's back no matter how long it takes to release a mediocre game. I'm one who, out of curiosity, decided to play ME:A and just like DA:I, I find the MP feature more fun than the fetching in SP. Yes, we're here to stay. because atm there is nothing out there.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 30, 2017 12:48:31 GMT
It's what happens when EA completely buys out your favourite developer. + RIP pre-2008 Battlefield It's not BW, or EA... or gaming in general. It's the whole of western entertainment media... we are regressing/settling into this "lowest common denominator" mire of mediocre products right now, with very few products actually challenging it or doing something actually creative. If it wasn't for eastern (everything east of Europe) studios and the odd, past industry innovators resurfacing through crowdfunding... yea, what would we have?
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 30, 2017 12:59:37 GMT
You sure about that? About the only thing anyone bitches about this game is the facial animations....Seriously that and the CC are like the two biggest complaints of everyone who posted a 0 rating on Metacritic and everywhere else. If facial animations is the biggest issue somebody has with this game, they haven't played the game. Yes default Sara looks ugly, yes her face looks stupid when she wakes up, who cares default Sara doesn't even exist. I don't see all these facial issues people have actually playing the game, but I do see the dozens of YouTube videos who overuse the same couple Sara clips to show off the bad facial animations. Which tells me, they haven't played the game but are just jumping on the Mass effect hate bandwagon to get a couple more clicks on their videos. I'm playing the game, and my primary issues are generally technical in nature. I've found that the meme-worthy animation problems with character faces seem to be concentrated mostly in the start of the game, particularly the prologue itself. For the most part, it seems to have settled down considerably and it looks rather normal, or at least as normal as a BioWare game tends to look. My primary issues though are things like drastic frame drops, and occasionally a companion not being animated as it moves alongside you on the field. So far this seems to have only happened to Liam but it happens just the same. Then there's the lagging and occasional crashing that happens often enough in MP to be on the cusp of gamebreaking to that end. So you're right, facial animation is the least of this game's worries, but reading through this forum and experiencing this game myself, I've come to realize that some of it is so ridiculously overblown that I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Take the whole writing thing. I'm at a point where I don't think people really know what bad writing is if the previous games can get passes where MEA is suddenly exhuming Shakespeare to molest his corpse.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 30, 2017 13:03:57 GMT
On the bright side, planet escape tournament EE is coming.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 30, 2017 15:20:57 GMT
On the bright side, planet escape tournament EE is coming. Yea, and if Beamdog so much as fixes a typo in ANY of that games writing, I'll go ballistic on their leftist asses... ...bad enough Hollywood had to make my favorite Manga into mindless action schlock, but my favorite game of all time?
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Post by AGECCR on Mar 30, 2017 15:39:01 GMT
I was disappointed with Inquisition as a Bioware game (had to do with the transition into "open world" and bad story and pacing). Was it a bad game? No, it was a soft good as a game itself. Bad for a Bioware game but a lot of that had to do with the big changes for their future games. I was worried about what this might entail for ME, along with just where the franchise would go after 3. I'm glad to say that I have enjoyed Andromeda immensely and like the new direction. It has flaws but what is most important to me (plot and characters) were really good. Especially the characters . So, even though I wasn't fond of their last game or the direction change, I did love their new game. The answer to your question of whether you should move on or not is entirely up to you. People can only give you their own views but it is up to you whether you feel like their future endeavors may not be worth it for you.
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Post by chugster on Mar 30, 2017 15:39:51 GMT
DA:O has better facial animations than Andromeda... DA:O is certainly more consistent, but it's not hard to be consistent when the face models are essentially mannequin-like and have very basic animation of the mouths and eyebrows and have a very limited number of body gestures in all dialogue scenes. Goddammit, you just made me criticize DA:O. See this is a reason Im annoyed with a lot of the hate here on the forums, people act as if older games never had any issues. DAO had quite a few as i remember, people moaned about it then as well. Criticizing both MEA and Bioware is fine, but just don't do it like an idiot wearing rose tinted glasses.
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Post by myztikrice on Mar 30, 2017 20:04:30 GMT
Those were made by people not a studio and they're not dead.
Gosh it's almost like we shouldn't expect the same issues as games from 8 years ago
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 30, 2017 21:06:46 GMT
Witcher 3 has far greater freedom, choice, and consequences. It's not even close. There's greater choice and consequence in Witcher 3 sidequests than Andromeda main quests. Now if you're talking about the trilogy, then its a lot closer between the two. It's just not in space, and people don't like that they can't change Geralt's face. That's all that's stopping people from playing Witcher 3... The Witcher 3 definitely is the king of sidequests and yes, it does do a better job at consequences mid-game, but in terms of the ending of the game, it is actually not that different than Mass Effect 3's Extended Cut: Only 3 major differences, and the rest of the 33 are just variations of those 3 presented in a slideshow. And not to give away much, but Andromeda has a really solid endgame. And a lot more consequence in-game, and set-up for down the line that has me intrigued.
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