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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 4:43:45 GMT
We'll never get games like Baldur's Gate, DA:O or ME2 ever again from BioWare.
To think this studio came up with my favorite game of all time, DA:O, it just hurts. Is it time to move on?
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 30, 2017 4:45:36 GMT
Yes. They are moving a new direction now, and it is just the way of things. I personally like the new direction.
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Post by fenris on Mar 30, 2017 4:47:41 GMT
LOL
I'm just curious - move on to what? Bioware has no equal. There is no other company that makes this type of RPGs (as good as The Witcher may be, it's hardly the same narrative of freedom of choice and consequences, relationships, etc.). With all of the game's faults, eventually there is no replacement for Bioware as of yet. I wish there was (competition would have only made them do better) but still.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 30, 2017 4:53:29 GMT
Is it time to move on? Clearly not, since you can't let go.
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Post by adrynbliss on Mar 30, 2017 4:56:47 GMT
good example of rose coloured glasses. Objectively look back at DAO and compare it to other AAA titles around that time and you'll find DAO had the same issues MEA is being hung from the yard arm for in relation to the AAA titles being released around it's time, I acknowledge not to the same degree but the same general flaws none the less. DAO wasn't exactly the shining beacon of contemporary facial animation compared to some of its competition, was it now.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 30, 2017 4:58:57 GMT
good example of rose coloured glasses. Objectively look back at DAO and compare it to other AAA titles around that time and you'll find DAO had the same issues MEA is being hung from the yard arm for in relation to the AAA titles being released around it's time, I acknowledge not to the same degree but the same general flaws none the less. DAO wasn't exactly the shining beacon of contemporary facial animation compared to some of its competition, was it now. I usually don't touch DA:O because it's a really solid game regardless of any flaws it may have, but sometimes I revel in criticizing ME2, because it's just so goddamn stupid even when it turns out to be an awesome game. Like, if I had to peg an example of one of the shittiest ways to follow through on an overarching narrative, this would definitely be it. Heck, ME3 should get marks for its admirable effort in cleaning up that mess.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 30, 2017 4:59:07 GMT
We'll never get games like Baldur's Gate, DA:O or ME2 ever again from BioWare. To think this studio came up with my favorite game of all time, DA:O, it just hurts. Is it time to move on? No! If you love the franchises, stick with it. Just be smart about investing money into a game. I'm sure I will play the hell out of Andromeda once I am secure the PC port will be ready. I will tell you, my passion for the games can be summarized like this: I love smart, intelligent writing. I love great voice acting. I love RPG elements such as inventory, crafting, surviving, etc. Bioware once had all of this down. Sure, quality is subjective and it comes and goes. Personally, it's gone too far to being like any other pseudo-open world. Hell, I get way better action gameplay from Crysis and Far Cry franchises. I don't go into those games looking for great voice acting or storytelling.
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Post by Cannibal on Mar 30, 2017 5:00:41 GMT
good example of rose coloured glasses. Objectively look back at DAO and compare it to other AAA titles around that time and you'll find DAO had the same issues MEA is being hung from the yard arm for in relation to the AAA titles being released around it's time, I acknowledge not to the same degree but the same general flaws none the less. DAO wasn't exactly the shining beacon of contemporary facial animation compared to some of its competition, was it now. When people look back on older RPGs, they don't give a shit about facial animations. But rather the story and the characters. Even with Andromeda, the facial animations are irrelevant and minor to the actual problems the game has.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Mar 30, 2017 5:02:17 GMT
good example of rose coloured glasses. Objectively look back at DAO and compare it to other AAA titles around that time and you'll find DAO had the same issues MEA is being hung from the yard arm for in relation to the AAA titles being released around it's time, I acknowledge not to the same degree but the same general flaws none the less. DAO wasn't exactly the shining beacon of contemporary facial animation compared to some of its competition, was it now. When people look back on older RPGs, they don't give a shit about facial animations. But rather the story and the characters. Even with Andromeda, the facial animations are irrelevant and minor to the actual problems the game has. And at least stick to the canon you created. Cheese and crackers.
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Post by suikoden on Mar 30, 2017 5:10:29 GMT
LOL I'm just curious - move on to what? Bioware has no equal. There is no other company that makes this type of RPGs (as good as The Witcher may be, it's hardly the same narrative of freedom of choice and consequences, relationships, etc.). With all of the game's faults, eventually there is no replacement for Bioware as of yet. I wish there was (competition would have only made them do better) but still. Witcher 3 has far greater freedom, choice, and consequences. It's not even close. There's greater choice and consequence in Witcher 3 sidequests than Andromeda main quests. Now if you're talking about the trilogy, then its a lot closer between the two. It's just not in space, and people don't like that they can't change Geralt's face. That's all that's stopping people from playing Witcher 3...
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Post by suikoden on Mar 30, 2017 5:16:12 GMT
good example of rose coloured glasses. Objectively look back at DAO and compare it to other AAA titles around that time and you'll find DAO had the same issues MEA is being hung from the yard arm for in relation to the AAA titles being released around it's time, I acknowledge not to the same degree but the same general flaws none the less. DAO wasn't exactly the shining beacon of contemporary facial animation compared to some of its competition, was it now. DA:O has better facial animations than Andromeda...
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 30, 2017 5:21:31 GMT
good example of rose coloured glasses. Objectively look back at DAO and compare it to other AAA titles around that time and you'll find DAO had the same issues MEA is being hung from the yard arm for in relation to the AAA titles being released around it's time, I acknowledge not to the same degree but the same general flaws none the less. DAO wasn't exactly the shining beacon of contemporary facial animation compared to some of its competition, was it now. When people look back on older RPGs, they don't give a shit about facial animations. But rather the story and the characters. Even with Andromeda, the facial animations are irrelevant and minor to the actual problems the game has. The only problems I've encountered have been limited technical issues, and poor VA delivery and writing in Drack's first two scenes. Everything else has been better than anything BioWare has done in a very long time, maybe ever, in my opinion. suikoden, I assume you're joking about the DAO vs MEA facial animations comparison.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 30, 2017 5:24:30 GMT
good example of rose coloured glasses. Objectively look back at DAO and compare it to other AAA titles around that time and you'll find DAO had the same issues MEA is being hung from the yard arm for in relation to the AAA titles being released around it's time, I acknowledge not to the same degree but the same general flaws none the less. DAO wasn't exactly the shining beacon of contemporary facial animation compared to some of its competition, was it now. DA:O has better facial animations than Andromeda... DA:O is certainly more consistent, but it's not hard to be consistent when the face models are essentially mannequin-like and have very basic animation of the mouths and eyebrows and have a very limited number of body gestures in all dialogue scenes. Goddammit, you just made me criticize DA:O.
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Post by slimgrin on Mar 30, 2017 5:26:36 GMT
I have to say, the writing in the prologue was disheartening. Amature hour. Everyone bemoans the ME3 ending, but the dialog and set up for Andromeda is worse. It feels like they hired high school students to pen the script. I mean it is truly off to a degree you rarely see in games.
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Post by joglee on Mar 30, 2017 5:28:07 GMT
good example of rose coloured glasses. Objectively look back at DAO and compare it to other AAA titles around that time and you'll find DAO had the same issues MEA is being hung from the yard arm for in relation to the AAA titles being released around it's time, I acknowledge not to the same degree but the same general flaws none the less. DAO wasn't exactly the shining beacon of contemporary facial animation compared to some of its competition, was it now. When people look back on older RPGs, they don't give a shit about facial animations. But rather the story and the characters. Even with Andromeda, the facial animations are irrelevant and minor to the actual problems the game has.You sure about that? About the only thing anyone bitches about this game is the facial animations....Seriously that and the CC are like the two biggest complaints of everyone who posted a 0 rating on Metacritic and everywhere else.
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Post by suikoden on Mar 30, 2017 5:29:04 GMT
DA:O has better facial animations than Andromeda... DA:O is certainly more consistent, but it's not hard to be consistent when the face models are essentially mannequin-like and have very basic animation of the mouths and eyebrows and have a very limited number of body gestures in all dialogue scenes. Goddammit, you just made me criticize DA:O. Still looks far better than Andromeda's faces. I'd take this anyday - at least they can move their eyebrows and don't have spray-painted facial hair.
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Post by Cannibal on Mar 30, 2017 5:36:15 GMT
When people look back on older RPGs, they don't give a shit about facial animations. But rather the story and the characters. Even with Andromeda, the facial animations are irrelevant and minor to the actual problems the game has.You sure about that? About the only thing anyone bitches about this game is the facial animations....Seriously that and the CC are like the two biggest complaints of everyone who posted a 0 rating on Metacritic and everywhere else. If facial animations is the biggest issue somebody has with this game, they haven't played the game. Yes default Sara looks ugly, yes her face looks stupid when she wakes up, who cares default Sara doesn't even exist. I don't see all these facial issues people have actually playing the game, but I do see the dozens of YouTube videos who overuse the same couple Sara clips to show off the bad facial animations. Which tells me, they haven't played the game but are just jumping on the Mass effect hate bandwagon to get a couple more clicks on their videos.
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Post by SilJeff on Mar 30, 2017 5:40:38 GMT
LOL I'm just curious - move on to what? Bioware has no equal. There is no other company that makes this type of RPGs (as good as The Witcher may be, it's hardly the same narrative of freedom of choice and consequences, relationships, etc.). With all of the game's faults, eventually there is no replacement for Bioware as of yet. I wish there was (competition would have only made them do better) but still. Witcher 3 has far greater freedom, choice, and consequences. It's not even close. There's greater choice and consequence in Witcher 3 sidequests than Andromeda main quests. Now if you're talking about the trilogy, then its a lot closer between the two. It's just not in space, and people don't like that they can't change Geralt's face. That's all that's stopping people from playing Witcher 3... The Witcher 3 definitely is the king of sidequests and yes, it does do a better job at consequences mid-game, but in terms of the ending of the game, it is actually not that different than Mass Effect 3's Extended Cut: Only 3 major differences, and the rest of the 33 are just variations of those 3 presented in a slideshow.
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Post by surelyforth on Mar 30, 2017 5:40:43 GMT
It's just not in space, and people don't like that they can't change Geralt's face. That's all that's stopping people from playing Witcher 3... "not in space" and "can't change Geralt's face" are pretty huge issues for a lot of people, you know. Especially the latter- being able to be anything but a grizzled old white dude is 75% of the appeal of BW games (and TES/FO). BW gets another edge because of companions. Also, OP- By all means, move on. I've seen people accept the death of a loved one faster than you guys are dealing with a disappointing video game.
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Post by General Aetius on Mar 30, 2017 5:44:29 GMT
It's just not in space, and people don't like that they can't change Geralt's face. That's all that's stopping people from playing Witcher 3... "can't change Geralt's face" are pretty huge issues for a lot of people, you know. Especially the latter- being able to be anything but a grizzled old white dude is 75% of the appeal of BW games (and TES/FO). Same here, last thing I wanna play as is a fugly old fart.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Mar 30, 2017 6:10:36 GMT
I've been reading threads like this for nearly a decade now.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 30, 2017 6:11:26 GMT
We'll never get games like Baldur's Gate, DA:O or ME2 ever again from BioWare. Do those games have much in common besides you liking them? Of course it is. But you won't.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 30, 2017 7:06:22 GMT
Baldurs Gate: impenetrable old style d&d game with horrendous ui and combat. Real grind to even do anything, enjoyed by masochists with too much time on their hands. DA:O: A game so tedious that my warden has been stuck in the deep roads for about 4 years. Still at least she can use some presents for some stuff corpse like underwear sex. Oh and another random encounter on the way. ME2: a game that single handedly ripped the plot and soul out of the trilogy, wasting an entire game on daddy issues. It also introduced complete and utterly time sinks like mining, as well as even removing an inventory from an rpg.
Yep, it's a shame.
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