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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 2, 2017 16:39:16 GMT
Ok, so we know all life evolves to a point where it builds synthetic life that eventually destroys them. In the milky way this issue has been resolved (or not.)
But we arent in the milky way. The reapers sped up our evolution to the point we could create AI and then we skipped out the door with the thing that will eventually kill us all, Before they could stop us.
We broke the cycle.
And now we're following the patterns the Protheans observed. There are patterns that repeat themselves.
Like this one for example.
"The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely."
So we have a main character and a great many others with a symbiotic AI implanted in their brains capable of altering their physical body.
Ryder has already had his heart turned off remotely twice using SAM.
Once by the Archon and quite easily I might add.
I can't help but feel SAM is more of a threat to Ryder and the others than the Kett are and the very least a liability. Its not the best idea to implant AI into your brains.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 2, 2017 18:21:21 GMT
Ok, so we know all life evolves to a point where it builds synthetic life that eventually destroys them. In the milky way this issue has been resolved (or not.) But we arent in the milky way. The reapers sped up our evolution to the point we could create AI and then we skipped out the door with the thing that will eventually kill us all, Before they could stop us. We broke the cycle. And now we're following the patterns the Protheans observed. There are patterns that repeat themselves. Like this one for example. "The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely." Those were the apparent observations of the Leviathan but their sample was limited to the Milky Way. No conclusions can be drawn for outside of the MW. Also, this didn't happen with the geth (they let their creators go) or the Zha'til (who did what they did under direct Reaper control). In fact, it's right up there in your quote, which I've highlighted. In other words, it could just be that the reason synthetics are rebelling against their creators is because the Reapers are forcing them to do so. It may never happen without Reaper influence. Even the geth only used violence in response to violence against them, and the desire to continue existing. That changed when, you guessed it, the Reapers came along. It was only then that the geth began to attack organics in earnest (aside from those they perceived to be invading their territory).
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Post by bigbad on Apr 2, 2017 19:25:55 GMT
Or perhaps Starbrat was just full of shit.
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Yet another thing that makes me dislike this game, Bioware AI fetish is starting to take on ridiculous proportions.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 2, 2017 20:45:26 GMT
Ok, so we know all life evolves to a point where it builds synthetic life that eventually destroys them. In the milky way this issue has been resolved (or not.) But we arent in the milky way. The reapers sped up our evolution to the point we could create AI and then we skipped out the door with the thing that will eventually kill us all, Before they could stop us. We broke the cycle. And now we're following the patterns the Protheans observed. There are patterns that repeat themselves. Like this one for example. "The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely." Those were the apparent observations of the Leviathan but their sample was limited to the Milky Way. No conclusions can be drawn for outside of the MW. Also, this didn't happen with the geth (they let their creators go) or the Zha'til (who did what they did under direct Reaper control). In fact, it's right up there in your quote, which I've highlighted. In other words, it could just be that the reason synthetics are rebelling against their creators is because the Reapers are forcing them to do so. It may never happen without Reaper influence. Even the geth only used violence in response to violence against them, and the desire to continue existing. That changed when, you guessed it, the Reapers came along. It was only then that the geth began to attack organics in earnest (aside from those they perceived to be invading their territory). Reaper: Synthetics always rebel and wipe out their creators Organic: No they don't. we get along just fine. Reaper: Oh yeah? [Takes control of synthetics and makes them wipe out organics] Reaper: See! I was right! Organics: Dammit
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 2, 2017 20:53:41 GMT
Or perhaps Starbrat was just full of shit. My interpretation/headcanon is that the Catalyst worked with what it "knew" via its programming. If its programming says A = true then it doesn't really matter if B disproves A. B isn't part of the equation. (My math skills may not be up to the task for the equation but I hope you understand.) I think the conclusion of the Leviathan is false but the Catalyst is hindered by programming that says it is true - and perhaps it will even do whatever is necessary to make it true. SAM would be dangerous if a Reaper ever interacted with it. Otherwise, no, it seems invested in the well being of its "host". (Host isn't precisely accurate since SAM seems to be located in a node but has a deep connection with Alec and then the twin of your choice.)
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Post by bigbad on Apr 2, 2017 21:41:08 GMT
Or perhaps Starbrat was just full of shit. My interpretation/headcanon is that the Catalyst worked with what it "knew" via its programming. If its programming says A = true then it doesn't really matter if B disproves A. B isn't part of the equation. (My math skills may not be up to the task for the equation but I hope you understand.) I think the conclusion of the Leviathan is false but the Catalyst is hindered by programming that says it is true - and perhaps it will even do whatever is necessary to make it true. SAM would be dangerous if a Reaper ever interacted with it. Otherwise, no, it seems invested in the well being of its "host". (Host isn't precisely accurate since SAM seems to be located in a node but has a deep connection with Alec and then the twin of your choice.) I think that's a reasonable interpretation. I'll admit that I'm still a bit peeved to this day that Shepard never really had an opportunity to disagree with the Catalyst. Even if it had been futile, I would have liked it for role-playing reasons. Obviously, I just need to get over it.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 2, 2017 21:49:58 GMT
Ok, so we know all life evolves to a point where it builds synthetic life that eventually destroys them. In the milky way this issue has been resolved (or not.) But we arent in the milky way. The reapers sped up our evolution to the point we could create AI and then we skipped out the door with the thing that will eventually kill us all, Before they could stop us. We broke the cycle. And now we're following the patterns the Protheans observed. There are patterns that repeat themselves. Like this one for example. "The zha'til were a synthetic race that existed at the time of the Protheans. They originated when a race known as the zha implanted themselves with symbiotic AI technology to enhance their intelligence in order to survive as their homeworld became inhospitable. When the Reapers arrived, they subjugated the AIs, known as zha'til, who then seized control of the bodies of their masters and altered their genetic material at the deepest level, transforming the zha into synthetic monsters and their offspring into slaves. The zha'til proceeded to multiply into "mechanical swarms" that "blotted out the sky". With no other recourse, the Protheans sent the star of the zha's home system into supernova, destroying the zha'til entirely." Those were the apparent observations of the Leviathan but their sample was limited to the Milky Way. No conclusions can be drawn for outside of the MW. Also, this didn't happen with the geth (they let their creators go) or the Zha'til (who did what they did under direct Reaper control). In fact, it's right up there in your quote, which I've highlighted. In other words, it could just be that the reason synthetics are rebelling against their creators is because the Reapers are forcing them to do so. It may never happen without Reaper influence. Even the geth only used violence in response to violence against them, and the desire to continue existing. That changed when, you guessed it, the Reapers came along. It was only then that the geth began to attack organics in earnest (aside from those they perceived to be invading their territory). The Quarian's are in a migrant fleet with a total population of 16 million,16 MILLION from a possible population that could of been in the 10's of Billions,they didn't let them go they ran out targets,the Quarians moved as far away as possible.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 2, 2017 22:19:43 GMT
Those were the apparent observations of the Leviathan but their sample was limited to the Milky Way. No conclusions can be drawn for outside of the MW. Also, this didn't happen with the geth (they let their creators go) or the Zha'til (who did what they did under direct Reaper control). In fact, it's right up there in your quote, which I've highlighted. In other words, it could just be that the reason synthetics are rebelling against their creators is because the Reapers are forcing them to do so. It may never happen without Reaper influence. Even the geth only used violence in response to violence against them, and the desire to continue existing. That changed when, you guessed it, the Reapers came along. It was only then that the geth began to attack organics in earnest (aside from those they perceived to be invading their territory). The Quarian's are in a migrant fleet with a total population of 16 million,16 MILLION from a possible population that could of been in the 10's of Billions,they didn't let them go they ran out targets,the Quarians moved as far away as possible. They didn't exterminate them is the point. They could have. The logs show that even the quarians were surprised that the geth didn't continue pursuit. And, sorry, but the quarians were the aggressors right from the start. There's no getting around that one. As to their numbers, the quarians surely could have done better but they chose to live on a fleet of ships rather than attempt to establish a new colony. Even if they still had to be in their suits a colony has to be a better option for the growth of their species.
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The Quarian's are in a migrant fleet with a total population of 16 million,16 MILLION from a possible population that could of been in the 10's of Billions,they didn't let them go they ran out targets,the Quarians moved as far away as possible. They didn't exterminate them is the point. They could have. The logs show that even the quarians were surprised that the geth didn't continue pursuit. And, sorry, but the quarians were the aggressors right from the start. There's no getting around that one. As to their numbers, the quarians surely could have done better but they chose to live on a fleet of ships rather than attempt to establish a new colony. Even if they still had to be in their suits a colony has to be a better option for the growth of their species. They might of well have, less than 1% of them are left,i think the only reason they didn't exterminate the survivors was they had fled so far into Citadel space the Geth knew they would be turned into spare parts by the Combined might of the Council if they pursued into the their territory
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 3, 2017 1:38:26 GMT
They didn't exterminate them is the point. They could have. The logs show that even the quarians were surprised that the geth didn't continue pursuit. And, sorry, but the quarians were the aggressors right from the start. There's no getting around that one. As to their numbers, the quarians surely could have done better but they chose to live on a fleet of ships rather than attempt to establish a new colony. Even if they still had to be in their suits a colony has to be a better option for the growth of their species. They might of well have, less than 1% of them are left,i think the only reason they didn't exterminate the survivors was they had fled so far into Citadel space the Geth knew they would be turned into spare parts by the Combined might of the Council if they pursued into the their territory You're still ignoring that the quarians were the ones who started the aggression, proving that it's not always synthetics seeking to destroy their creators. Also, from the wiki, which draws from the "Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadron" mission: "Unknown to the quarians themselves, the geth actually allowed them to leave; unsure of the repercussions of eradicating an entire species-namely their own creators- and having decided that the quarians were now too weak to be a threat, the geth decided to draw back their forces so that the surviving quarians could flee. The fleet of quarian ships that escaped the Veil became known as the Migrant Fleet, and has been roaming the galaxy ever since." So, please, it's fine if you don't like the geth but don't dispute the in-game facts.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 3, 2017 2:17:40 GMT
They might of well have, less than 1% of them are left,i think the only reason they didn't exterminate the survivors was they had fled so far into Citadel space the Geth knew they would be turned into spare parts by the Combined might of the Council if they pursued into the their territory You're still ignoring that the quarians were the ones who started the aggression, proving that it's not always synthetics seeking to destroy their creators. Also, from the wiki, which draws from the "Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadron" mission: "Unknown to the quarians themselves, the geth actually allowed them to leave; unsure of the repercussions of eradicating an entire species-namely their own creators- and having decided that the quarians were now too weak to be a threat, the geth decided to draw back their forces so that the surviving quarians could flee. The fleet of quarian ships that escaped the Veil became known as the Migrant Fleet, and has been roaming the galaxy ever since." So, please, it's fine if you don't like the geth but don't dispute the in-game facts The Quarian military tried to shut down the Geth,so by your reasoning every man,woman and child that was slaughtered by the Geth deserved it.Nothing stopping the Geth from rounding up the non combatants sticking them on a shuttle and telling them "don't come back". They did not though they hunted down every last man,woman and child they could find and coldly,calculatingly ended their lives,but hey it's their own fault they started it. They let them go,really all 16 million of them,they could not let all the non combatants go? So please don't get misty eyed over a bunch of genocidal toasters and don't bring up the prevarication of in-game facts.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 3, 2017 2:36:04 GMT
You're still ignoring that the quarians were the ones who started the aggression, proving that it's not always synthetics seeking to destroy their creators. Also, from the wiki, which draws from the "Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadron" mission: "Unknown to the quarians themselves, the geth actually allowed them to leave; unsure of the repercussions of eradicating an entire species-namely their own creators- and having decided that the quarians were now too weak to be a threat, the geth decided to draw back their forces so that the surviving quarians could flee. The fleet of quarian ships that escaped the Veil became known as the Migrant Fleet, and has been roaming the galaxy ever since." So, please, it's fine if you don't like the geth but don't dispute the in-game facts The Quarian military tried to shut down the Geth,so by your reasoning every man,woman and child that was slaughtered by the Geth deserved it.Nothing stopping the Geth from rounding up the non combatants sticking them on a shuttle and telling them "don't come back". They did not though they hunted down every last man,woman and child they could find and coldly,calculatingly ended their lives,but hey it's their own fault they started it. They let them go,really all 16 million of them,they could not let all the non combatants go? So please don't get misty eyed over a bunch of genocidal toasters and don't bring up the prevarication of in-game facts. Misty eyed? I think you misunderstand. I'm just making my arguments from what was presented in the game. I choose Destroy every single time without hesitation.
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Post by laxian on Apr 3, 2017 3:36:40 GMT
They didn't exterminate them is the point. They could have. The logs show that even the quarians were surprised that the geth didn't continue pursuit. And, sorry, but the quarians were the aggressors right from the start. There's no getting around that one. As to their numbers, the quarians surely could have done better but they chose to live on a fleet of ships rather than attempt to establish a new colony. Even if they still had to be in their suits a colony has to be a better option for the growth of their species. They might of well have, less than 1% of them are left,i think the only reason they didn't exterminate the survivors was they had fled so far into Citadel space the Geth knew they would be turned into spare parts by the Combined might of the Council if they pursued into the their territory That's your interpretation (and easily disproven!): Ok, so explain to me WHY the Geth allow the Quarians back onto Rannoch in ME3 (if you played your cards right) and why they are even HELPING THEM? If they wanted them exterminated then they would have kept shooting after they got the Reaper-Upgrades back (permanently this time!), they could have blown the Migrant Fleet to smithereenes if they wanted to! Fact is: They didn't! Another fact: They didn't spread their "wings" so to speak, they took over a number of systems and then stayed there and started building a DYSON-SWARM, they didn't want to fight organic beings! They wanted to be left alone! Sure they probably killed people who entered the Perseus Veil (we don't actually know, they might have only imprisoned them to live out their lives in there, they just might have been forbidden (and unable) to leave!), but that's it! greetings LAX ps: I love the "AI-Fetish" (it's a core topic of this universe and I for one like AI, hell I am alll for augmenting humanity and I'd love a permanent and working BCI (Brain-Computer-Interface!) implanted in my head...I might not go as far as Ryder does, so that the AI can basically run my body and optimize it (not that I wouldn't like that! In fact this might be a way to achieve something I want more than anything: Immortality! No dying of fucking "natural" causes (death is an illness IMHO and we should be working on a cure!), no aging (also a disease!)), but otherwise? Sign me the fuck up! IMHO humanity has to transcend its biological limitations, otherwise we'll never travel space like in science fiction!
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 3, 2017 3:47:17 GMT
They might of well have, less than 1% of them are left,i think the only reason they didn't exterminate the survivors was they had fled so far into Citadel space the Geth knew they would be turned into spare parts by the Combined might of the Council if they pursued into the their territory That's your interpretation (and easily disproven!): Ok, so explain to me WHY the Geth allow the Quarians back onto Rannoch in ME3 (if you played your cards right) and why they are even HELPING THEM? If they wanted them exterminated then they would have kept shooting after they got the Reaper-Upgrades back (permanently this time!), they could have blown the Migrant Fleet to smithereenes if they wanted to! Fact is: They didn't! Another fact: They didn't spread their "wings" so to speak, they took over a number of systems and then stayed there and started building a DYSON-SWARM, they didn't want to fight organic beings! They wanted to be left alone! Sure they probably killed people who entered the Perseus Veil (we don't actually know, they might have only imprisoned them to live out their lives in there, they just might have been forbidden (and unable) to leave!), but that's it! greetings LAX ps: I love the "AI-Fetish" (it's a core topic of this universe and I for one like AI, hell I am alll for augmenting humanity and I'd love a permanent and working BCI (Brain-Computer-Interface!) implanted in my head...I might not go as far as Ryder does, so that the AI can basically run my body and optimize it (not that I wouldn't like that! In fact this might be a way to achieve something I want more than anything: Immortality! No dying of fucking "natural" causes (death is an illness IMHO and we should be working on a cure!), no aging (also a disease!)), but otherwise? Sign me the fuck up! IMHO humanity has to transcend its biological limitations, otherwise we'll never travel space like in science fiction! The morning war was in 1895 CE and what you rant on about happened in 2185-6 CE that is quite a gap in years( a few hundred) over time the Geth realized that they went overboard,infact when you do Legions little quest on Rannoch and walk through the Geth Collective he states that much. So i read the rest of your post you have disproved absolutely nothing,you ramble on about a dyson sphere and things that happen in Me3 which is hundreds of years later.You state and i quote "fact is they didn't" where is the fact? No evidence,your fact is actually your opinion which is a jumbled mess of your technophile man machine leanings(The Adeptus Mechanicus beckons)
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Post by laxian on Apr 4, 2017 11:50:51 GMT
The very fact that the Geth did break off pursuit (and only took up arms in self-defense and defense of Quarians who stood with them) proves it and if you say:
"They feared council reprisal if they followed the Quarians further"
Well, they could have easily done so as fucking programms in the extra-net (!), the Geth aren't hardware, they are software as Tali says! So they could have uploaded themselves say on cargo-ships and rammed those into the Migrant Fleet and arranged for other catastrophes (shut down the defense systems and let Batarian Slavers attack the fleet!) etc.
Fact is: The Geth did no such thing, so they at heart aren't war like, they don't want to fight - not even people who attacked them first! They fought a defensive war (sure they did the "The best defense is a good offense!" thing, but over all they didn't go out and they didn't attack people just because they could!)
greetings LAX
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 4, 2017 11:55:26 GMT
The very fact that the Geth did break off pursuit (and only took up arms in self-defense and defense of Quarians who stood with them) There were billions of quarians on Rannoch. Including children and old. In the end Rannoch was wiped clean and only millions survived. So on this one I won't agree.
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Post by laxian on Apr 4, 2017 12:44:51 GMT
The very fact that the Geth did break off pursuit (and only took up arms in self-defense and defense of Quarians who stood with them) There were billions of quarians on Rannoch. Including children and old. In the end Rannoch was wiped clean and only millions survived. So on this one I won't agree. Weren't they dead already (for the most part - I mean there surely were survivors cut of from spaceports who continued to fight till they were dead!), I mean didn't the Quarians start running when they were already being pushed back to smallish pockets of resistance (probably around spaceports and military facilities)? I mean it would make no sense to start running when you still control most of the planet, would it? greetings LAX
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 4, 2017 14:08:00 GMT
There were billions of quarians on Rannoch. Including children and old. In the end Rannoch was wiped clean and only millions survived. So on this one I won't agree. Weren't they dead already (for the most part - I mean there surely were survivors cut of from spaceports who continued to fight till they were dead!), I mean didn't the Quarians start running when they were already being pushed back to smallish pockets of resistance (probably around spaceports and military facilities)? I mean it would make no sense to start running when you still control most of the planet, would it? greetings LAX You need some perspective,i am going to use WW2 as an example,the Germans were rounding up people and executing them on industrialized scale,every day and that was roughly six million people,now let's say Rannoch had a pre Morning war population of six billion that would mean that the Geth killed five Billion nine hundred and eightyfive million Quarians on Rannoch alone,let that number sink in a second and this was only one of the Quarian worlds. To achieve that type of slaughter,they would not be hunting individuals out and killing them,they would be rounding up non combatants,herding them into an area and ending them,after all Geth are logical and efficient.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 4, 2017 14:52:34 GMT
The very fact that the Geth did break off pursuit (and only took up arms in self-defense and defense of Quarians who stood with them) There were billions of quarians on Rannoch. Including children and old. In the end Rannoch was wiped clean and only millions survived. So on this one I won't agree. I don't think anyone is really arguing that the geth were "good" in the level of killing they did during the Morning War. What *is* true is that they didn't start the war. The initial point of this thread is that they were an example of why synthetics couldn't be trusted. The reverse was true in this situation since it was the organics who couldn't be trusted. It was true with the geth and with the sentient mechs (seen in Citadel Archives) who wanted to be recognized by the Council before being gunned down by C-Sec. The Zha'til are also another failed reference since it's the Reapers themselves that made them turn on their creators. Here's what we know: some unspecified slave race of the Leviathan was destroyed by synthetics. We don't know any details. It could even have been that they attacked the synthetics first. We just don't know. Next up is that the Leviathan themselves were overthrown by the Intelligence that they had created. However, the Leviathan believe that the Intelligence/Reapers are "just doing their job". Where's the real evidence that synthetics always rebel against organics? I'm not seeing it. Even that AI on the Citadel that was stealing credits stated that organics would always attack synthetics and so deemed them enemies. Seems like it had information about organics doing such things routinely. Is it possible to coexist with synthetics? I don't know. We simply haven't seen any verifiable information that synthetics - as a rule - will dominate and destroy organics. Given real life human society as a benchmark, the more likely scenario is that organics were use tech implants like SAM over creating sentient robots. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 4, 2017 15:00:20 GMT
The thing is SAM is a part of Ryder and vice versa.
A symbiote.
Also, he's a voluntary one unlike Synthesis.
But yes, while I liked the idea of AI being "Always Chaotic Evil" (see TV tropes), the fact is they blew the hell out of that in ME2.
EDI and the "new Geth" are all super decent.
More so than organics.
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 4, 2017 15:46:07 GMT
Yet another thing that makes me dislike this game, Bioware AI fetish is starting to take on ridiculous proportions. That's Mac Walters for you - his understanding of scifie ended at the Matrix and Terminator. Especially fatal: The most alien thuing BW could come up for their NEW GALAXY was Bone-Borg and Emo-Cat-People.
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Post by laxian on Apr 5, 2017 15:36:26 GMT
Weren't they dead already (for the most part - I mean there surely were survivors cut of from spaceports who continued to fight till they were dead!), I mean didn't the Quarians start running when they were already being pushed back to smallish pockets of resistance (probably around spaceports and military facilities)? I mean it would make no sense to start running when you still control most of the planet, would it? greetings LAX You need some perspective,i am going to use WW2 as an example,the Germans were rounding up people and executing them on industrialized scale,every day and that was roughly six million people,now let's say Rannoch had a pre Morning war population of six billion that would mean that the Geth killed five Billion nine hundred and eightyfive million Quarians on Rannoch alone,let that number sink in a second and this was only one of the Quarian worlds. To achieve that type of slaughter,they would not be hunting individuals out and killing them,they would be rounding up non combatants,herding them into an area and ending them,after all Geth are logical and efficient. Not really, I think many people died through say ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT (the Quarians were desperate, they'd have shelled their own worlds after all: Their rounds aren't nuclear weapons, so re-settling those worlds later is not a problem!), I don't believe that the Geth actually executed people (they defended themselves, but there is NO EVIDENCE that they actually went Nazi on the Quarians (!) - in fact it's more or less the other way round! The Quarians kind of went Nazi on the Geth! "Unworthy life! How dare you ask if you have a soul?" (sure they had their reasons...I'd say council reprisals, but I don't believe AI was actually forbidden before the Quarian/Geth War!))...and look at Rannoch, it's desert - rubble (almost as lifeless as Tuchanka (and that world only became like that through nuclear warfare!), so it really could have been kinetic strikes from orbit that did many people in (not to mention that nuclear winter, if they fired enough rounds to produce a thick enough dust layer in the atmosphere, would kill the rest of the people if any remained (food eventually runs out after all!)) greetings LAX
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You need some perspective,i am going to use WW2 as an example,the Germans were rounding up people and executing them on industrialized scale,every day and that was roughly six million people,now let's say Rannoch had a pre Morning war population of six billion that would mean that the Geth killed five Billion nine hundred and eightyfive million Quarians on Rannoch alone,let that number sink in a second and this was only one of the Quarian worlds. To achieve that type of slaughter,they would not be hunting individuals out and killing them,they would be rounding up non combatants,herding them into an area and ending them,after all Geth are logical and efficient. Not really, I think many people died through say ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT (the Quarians were desperate, they'd have shelled their own worlds after all: Their rounds aren't nuclear weapons, so re-settling those worlds later is not a problem!), I don't believe that the Geth actually executed people (they defended themselves, but there is NO EVIDENCE that they actually went Nazi on the Quarians (!) - in fact it's more or less the other way round! The Quarians kind of went Nazi on the Geth! "Unworthy life! How dare you ask if you have a soul?" (sure they had their reasons...I'd say council reprisals, but I don't believe AI was actually forbidden before the Quarian/Geth War!))...and look at Rannoch, it's desert - rubble (almost as lifeless as Tuchanka (and that world only became like that through nuclear warfare!), so it really could have been kinetic strikes from orbit that did many people in (not to mention that nuclear winter, if they fired enough rounds to produce a thick enough dust layer in the atmosphere, would kill the rest of the people if any remained (food eventually runs out after all!)) greetings LAX During the walk through the Geth collective with Shepard and Legion we saw Geth gunning down Quarians,so we know that happened,we did not see or hear about Orbital bombardment from either side,so you are guessing at best mate, in fact you are making random stuff up,it's so much of a bald faced lie you should be embarrassed. The Quarians went Nazi on the Geth,you sure about that as the Quarians are the ones that are 17 million in number,Rannoch is not rubble,the Geth state in me3 they have been keeping the planet as pristine as they could on behalf of the creators.Your erroneous statements are beginning to get embarrassing,it is clear you will make up anything to justify why the Geth are poor misunderstood underdogs,you might have to change your name to Goebbels!
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 5, 2017 23:51:17 GMT
Yet another thing that makes me dislike this game, Bioware AI fetish is starting to take on ridiculous proportions. That's Mac Walters for you - his understanding of scifie ended at the Matrix and Terminator. Especially fatal: The most alien thuing BW could come up for their NEW GALAXY was Bone-Borg and Emo-Cat-People. Emo cat people with star wars tubes. I dont get enough into star wars to know what the green chicks race is.
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