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Post by peabuddie on Apr 8, 2017 4:22:15 GMT
Peebee - her childish introduction, her boring loyalty quest, and just her annoying personality. 2nd would be Liam - beyond the interesting accent, there just isn't anything there to like. Boring, and he's useless in combat on hard difficulty. Always dying. I found that his combat usefulness is dependent on who you match him with and what profile the player is using. In my present build he is very, very effective esp when matched with Peebee. He is actually a controller, I'd say. Fully leveled up overload is awesome for controlling the field.
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Post by melbella on Apr 8, 2017 7:38:50 GMT
Whoa I guess I missed that side quest. I just quickly googled it and I never saw that guy hanging out on the Kandara docks. No explanation mark on the map. Nope. I find it hard to believe I would walk right past him 20x. Weird. Is it only available in the beginning? Not sure since I'm pretty sure I picked it up right away. He sticks around afterwards as well (with Sloane in charge, at least) so you can constantly remind him of his stupidity.
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Post by Malice on Apr 8, 2017 9:56:38 GMT
I'd say Cora, but not because she's bad, just a little bit more boring than the others (in my opinion, of course). Also I must mention that I really loved all the companions in MEA especially Drack, Peebee and Vetra.
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Post by legacyofmandalore on Apr 8, 2017 10:24:35 GMT
I don't outright hate any of them, but as usual, Cora/Liam pretty much stay shipbound unless the game requires otherwise. They just aren't interesting to me. Cora should have been the Asari, and PeeBee should have been a human.
Liked PeeBee more than I thought I would. Loved Vetra. Loved Drack, even he is basically just Wrex 2.0 Jaal is okay, but the Angara as a whole could have been better imo. I don't really buy how a species accustomed to constant warfare is all super touchy-feely.
Didn't like Suvi at first, but I've grown to be merely indifferent to her.
Kallo is awesome.
Lexi was okay.
Game needed more Quarians.
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Post by legacyofmandalore on Apr 8, 2017 10:28:52 GMT
Fair enough...except that I think Liam IS badly written. His actions make no sense given his position as part of the pathfinder team. He is supposed to RESPOND to crises (as he tells us in almost every single line of dialogue), not make them. The fact that he is such a liability makes him annoying, rather than endearing. And it is painfully obvious that the writers are trying to make him your best buddy who speaks from the heart, but I find his tone and words are rather heartless and selfish (and juvenile). I am woman, and I most definitely do not find dudes boring. I personally liked that ole meathead James Vega from the trilogy, because instead of trying to be your "brah", he had a bit of depth to him that was genuine (masculine and genuine all at once...one of the few times Bioware has pulled that one off). I think it is unfair to assume that all the 'hate' for Liam is from guys have 'other guy' issues. That is not what I have been reading in these posts at all. Aside from a few snide remarks here and there, most have been quite eloquent on the subject. So I am not sure where you are getting this idea from. Let's agree to disagree. I absolutely did't assume that 100% of male players feel that way, but I've seen some eyebrow raising remarks, such as "Liam is boring, but funny sometimes" (that's an oxymoron) or "I hate Liam because he fucks up" (so does Peebee. She gambles with Ryder's life for selfish reasons). Thank you for elaborating on the latter. Vega is universally despised and ranks pretty low among the OT characters btw, so there is that. I'm a dude. I liked Vega. Liked Zaeed. I don't like Liam because "other guy" but because he's just really....bland. He's not a badass, he doesn't seem particularly bright, and his actions and behavior don't really jive with his background. He seems like a teenager put in a veteran's role.
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Post by amleth on Apr 8, 2017 10:58:30 GMT
Jacob. Now Liam.
Hmm. Is a pattern emerging?
Biodrones hate black people confirmed xD
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Post by Vacceo on Apr 8, 2017 11:43:39 GMT
Liam basically because it feels like he does nothing on the crew. I mean, Vetra has the contacts and black market knowledge, Drack is a one man army, Cora is the actual bodyguard and second in command, Peebee the mad genius with remnants, and so on. What does Liam do besides mistakes?
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Post by lastpawn on Apr 8, 2017 16:25:52 GMT
I get that there are people who hate Liam but if you are one of those people who are like "he's just another Jacob" you have severe issues seeing black people as individuals I think they mean: he's one-dimensional, or something. At least, that's the only way to interpret it that makes sense to me. Jacob's personality was obviously nothing like Liam's, though, and while I wasn't a huge fan of Jacob, I think... I liked him more overall?
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Post by RageUnderFire on Apr 8, 2017 16:50:40 GMT
Jacob was the strong silent black man.
Liam is the whacky minority.
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Post by bringbackgarrusnow on Apr 8, 2017 22:06:22 GMT
I'm liking Liam more and more. There was some party banter about age and Liam said something like, "Peebee is like 400 years old but acts 12." Made me laugh cause it was my thoughts exactly. I still think Cora is my least favorite. When I'm told "Cora would like to speak with you, Ryder", I'm thinking...Do I have to?
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Post by breadbowlpasta on Apr 9, 2017 0:26:04 GMT
I thought both human squadmates were the worst of the bunch, with Liam being the worse of the two. I just didn't give a shit about any of his back story or what he had to say
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Post by bizantura on Apr 9, 2017 1:10:45 GMT
The squadmates are the weakest part of the game, awfully written, for teens and safe space people. Bioware should make up their minds to what demographic they want to write, kids or adults. Aside Vetra and Drack they can throw away the rest so uninspiring!! Compared to MET the squadmates are literally nobodies, fillers that I do not care one iota for.
It is a problem because "squadmate interaction" was a great appeal in prior Bioware games for me. It's frankly very game-breaking to the point rethinking future buys. Slapping "graphic adult" content in the game does not cut it for me. The quality of the strongest feat of Bioware is withered away sadly enough.
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Post by House Targaryen on Apr 9, 2017 1:13:58 GMT
No love of Liam? Never saw any use for him after the start of "tutorial" part of the game. Well, never saw any use for him even in that.
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Post by Addictress on Apr 9, 2017 2:01:23 GMT
.....Liam was honestly the best squadmate. Not sure where all this hate is coming from.
Vetra was disappointing to say the least. Both Cora and PeeBee were annoying, and Jaal was kinda pathetic.
Liam was the only real, and funny character, written for adults. He could've had more of a strong motivation or inner demon, for sure, but that's not saying much compared to the others we were given.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 2:26:23 GMT
I've finished the game, and changed my vote from Liam to Jaal.
I still think Liam is lame, but Jaal really annoys me. He's emo and whiny, and there were a couple of periods of time when he would not speak to Ryder (didn't like her choices). Plus, his VA takes forever to finish delivering the lines. At least Liam's VA spits it out quickly - lol.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 9, 2017 4:40:47 GMT
Liam felt entirely useless on the ship. As in, I could legit not find a use for him.
Cora was the military commander (her counseling of Vederia is pretty cool). Drack was the mercenary. Vetra was the shady trickster and procurer of goods. Jaal was the Angaran guerrilla fighter. Peebee the kooky explorer/tinkerer.
But Liam, what the fuck was special about him? He was such a non-entity. He's just......there.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 9, 2017 4:51:56 GMT
Jacob. Now Liam.
Hmm. Is a pattern emerging?
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Post by neptunefaced on Apr 9, 2017 15:56:24 GMT
I'm a little bit surprised that Cora has less votes than Liam.
Say what you want about him, yet Cora certainly seems to be the blander of the two. And Liam's loyalty mission seems to have been pretty well-received, last I saw, if not one of the more popular loyalty missions.
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Post by ticktak77 on Apr 10, 2017 15:01:38 GMT
Peebee - her childish introduction, her boring loyalty quest, and just her annoying personality. 2nd would be Liam - beyond the interesting accent, there just isn't anything there to like. Boring, and he's useless in combat on hard difficulty. Always dying. I found that his combat usefulness is dependent on who you match him with and what profile the player is using. In my present build he is very, very effective esp when matched with Peebee. He is actually a controller, I'd say. Fully leveled up overload is awesome for controlling the field. I'll give him another shot, on your recommendation. Haven't played much Andromeda since the patch. Just waiting until I get the urge again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 15:21:40 GMT
The more I play the game, the more I appreciate Liam. He starts out as a complete nutjob, but he is a centrifugal force, and he is warm. He extends towards everyone, trying to bring them together, something that no other character does on the cast. His loyalty mission, his project with Jaal, his soccer match, his movie night... he manages to achieve more with his home-grown silliness than the high and mighty. And that's why I am starting to really like him.
I appreciate Cora, despite her navel-gazing; I came to sister-mance Vetra despite her "sister, sister, sister" subplot (not because it's bad per se, but because so many Bio characters had sisters in trouble); and I can grudgingly tolerate PeeBee's extreme egotism and Jaal's capricious nature (along with a terribad romance).
But in the end, unbelievably, it's Liam I am putting on the team Tempest with Vetra for the main plot finale, despite really, really wanting it to be Jaal-Vetra, because he is my Ryder's LI.
Go figure.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Apr 23, 2017 12:26:17 GMT
I voted Liam but I still like him more then Kaiden/Jacob. I think my biggest issue with him is almost EVERY interaction with the guy (outside of his loyalty mission) hes not... Hell I dunno how to put it. One of the more irritating aspecs of Cora is the constant bringing up of her training (no one cares) and how your fathers not around or how things didn't turn out like they where supposed to. She doesn't do it in an angry way, and it's not in 'every' conversation, just often enough in the early bits to make me wish I had a shutup option at some point. Liam like that but ALL THE FUCKING TIME, 24/7 except it's about 'other people'. I don't know if he can think about him self or the situation hes actually in. I'm not convinced he's capable of that. Every fucking conversation is about his time in crisis response and how thats taught him a thing and why hes applying that to something I don't give a flying fuck about. That said none of his lines remind me of some sub-b movie softcore porn so he's already better off then Jacob. And in all the other stuff hes funny or entertaining. It's just the cutscene conversations outside of other stuff that... goddamn, just shut up about other people for awhile Liam. This is actually a problem I have with basically all the squad mates. They all seem to be about ONE issue and they shove it down your throat EVERY SINGLE TIME! So Liam has a story about "one time, in summer camp crisis response..." Cora is the non0risk-taker who has more daddy issues with Ryder's father then Ryder him/herself Vetra is the "older sister"(tm) to every-f*ing-one Peebee is soooo independent and unattached Jaal is that alien of that race that is so open with their feelings, he cannot tell you enough how open he is with his feelings Drack still seems to be the most diverse of them because at least his shtick is how he is the old experienced guy who's seen it all already (and that offers some diversity in his stories at least). These characters don't show their personalities, they tell you about their personalities, they are like self-analyzing psychologists who can now finally explain to Ryder who they really are. That's not good character writing, it clumsy and feels unnatural. The MET characters mostly did not have this problem. You could have conversations with them about different topics and they had more then one personality trait and background to draw from (e.g. Ash in ME1 talks about her family a lot but you also have conversation about her religious beliefs ro how she fells about aliens. It's all connected of course but it's not always the same song all over again. Or look at Wrex, at the beginning, you think he's just that rough krogan merc. It's only over time that you realize there is more to him, that he was a leader among his people who wanted to fight the consequences of the genophage but got pushed out and betrayed by his over-conservative father. He also doesn't outright tell you his persnality traits like the ME:A characters do. he never has a line like "I am rough and tough on the outside because I am Krogan but I am actually a thoughtful guy who like to think problems through before acting decisively. I care deeply about my people, just don't like to show it outright because you know, rough on the outside and all but that's who I am and maybe there is some wisdom in what I propose for the krogan." You figure that out while talking to him about stuff that actually concerns you, like when he worked with Saren or when you can actually reason with him about the genophage on Virmire. It's show don't tell. Instead, ME:A gives us Liam's: "I like to feel it, do it and I have to make Andromeda work or this would have been a mistake and I would just feel bad...", Vetras "I know I can be overprotective but it is because I had to care for my sister since we were little, so now I am trying to do it for everyone, yadda yadda" ot Jaal's "We angara like to show our feelings..." (he says that in his first conversation with you by the way, how does he even know that, compared to a species he has no experience with, angara are actually more openly emotional? ahhh, anyway). This is all tell, not show where it should be the age old rule show, don't tell. This, hundred time this. I actually been studying creative writing (yes, in Finland you can actually study this for free and even manage a thesis from it). Ive been wondering that does nowadays BioWare have any great writers left, because the character had very basic issues in their writing. These fanfic characters would never have passed in some of our normal process writing courses. They don't have enough treats (sorry my bad english), they are almost immune to the main story, they don't tire, they have the same feelings and nature as the have when the story started. Jaals speaks all the time about his family, even to other squad members. My favorite companion was Drack and my remnant robot Zap because they didn't push their one and only thing to your face all the time. Drack does not even wan't to tell you his war stories. He wasn't there only for Ryder, he has his own adventure. This reminds me how great Jack's story was in the MET. She also wanted to mind her own business. It is often better to develops character's story by action, not only via speaking. The greatest example is Liara, who grows from a nerdy girl to an amazing leader. Her dialogue remains still very original and sweet but boi she is the strongest when needed.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 23, 2017 13:03:13 GMT
Liam by far. If he returns as a squadmate in MEA2 I will literally just ignore him, he is that annoying.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 23, 2017 13:11:47 GMT
I used to dislike Peebs, but now that I have finished the game I have to say its definitely Liam. I hate the way he talks, what he says is weird and often makes little sense, his ideas and behavior match that of a 13 year old and he seems to have little control over his fireworks of emotions in his weird skull. I wish I had been given the choice to kick him out of the team after his loyalty mission. Insubordination, putting civilians in danger and doing completely foolhardy and selfish actions behind the backs of his superiors have no place in a team of professional explorers and soldiers. And that guy used to be a cop? Liam is not crisis response, he is the crisis. Cora. Dull. Looks like Liam is the new Vega.....shame, I like the character personally. I liked Vega.
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Post by djwolf on Apr 23, 2017 14:07:29 GMT
Liam, definitely Liam. He mumbles and talks about crisis management when a real crisis management team would have nothing to do with him. They don't take well to undisciplined, out of control, incoherency and rambling. They deal with life and death with planned objectives not with "cool dudes" speaking nonsense about inclusiveness.
As a character he was just annoying. He kept on deferring to the "pathfinder" and then trying to take control. He was judgemental, obnoxious and the entire crew despised him. Why Alec Ryder would ever recruit him to begin with really should be investigated - perhaps when we investigate how the security of Nexus and the entire advanced Initiative personnel became so heavily populated by criminals, gang leaders, slave traders and cannibals.
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Post by zeypher on Apr 23, 2017 14:31:42 GMT
Hate Liam and Jaal, Like Cora and Vetra and im sort of Ok with Drack. Generally I just take Cora and Vetra as those two tend to have a more professional attitude which works fine for me.
Finally Vega was an awesome character and was a near permanent part of my squad.
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