Why is everyone so frightened of the Krogan?

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Stand against a group and you are in trouble ... stand against hundreds or thousands of Krogan ... well personally I would be like :gasp: and then run like hell if I could. ( Most likely not possible. )

I would not know since I do not have the game, but I saw a video of MEA with a Krogan and he still looked pretty big to me.   ( Do not know his name but he hat a yellow armour and bones on it. )

Thanks for the name. As for that last part, considering their anatomy ... yeah I can not blame you for not wanting that. 

I think that the Krogan in the ME Trilogy were intentionally misrepresented.  The Council inflated their overall numbers and their breeding rates to justify using the genophage on them.  The colonization and population statistics given out for the various planets throughout the Trilogy show that the Krogan population is far, far lower than any of the other Council species and many of the non-Council ones.  I also think their warlike nature is somewhat intentionally overplayed... i.e. most Krogan are full of a lot of bluster.   I don't think the deplyment of genophage was really warranted, but was rather that tyrannical move by the 3 council species to maintain their "control" over the galaxy.

I do feel that they are just not modeled very well in ME:A.  In particular, the way ME:A has "smoothed" in the way the Krogan legs connect into their bodies just seems "wrong"  I liked the way their armor in the old Trilogy made their leg connection look angular and boney... which just generally looks more "badass" to me.  Drawn with smoother lines now, they just don't seem to look as "badass" as they did in the OT.

At the time the Turians weren't even a part of the Council, and they had just had multiple colonies; dextro-based garden worlds; rendered uninhabitable via Krogan redirected asteroids. The deployment of the Genophage could be argued to have been a rash decision; one made when strong emotions were at the forefront of everyone's minds; but I would say that it's disingenuous to assume that the rest of the galaxy is essentially a bunch of anti-Krogan racists (speciests?) that apparently get off on seeing Krogan stillborn.

If the Krogan were willing to go to war, and then resort to bio-sphere destroying tactics, with a species that wasn't even a part of the government that they had a grievance with, I would say that the amount of blame to go around leading up to the Genophage's deployment was far more on the Krogan's side of things rather than the Council's. 


As for the redesign in Andromeda, I agree. On a whole, it looks like all the Milky Way species were made to look more "subdued" maybe to play into that theme of 'peaceful explorers' perhaps? In either case, I'm not a fan of it.

I've seen the hologram from the Citadel DLC, the call to deploy could be seen as a move made out of anger and a desire for revenge; arguably rather 'shallow' or 'petty' reasoning for the Turian commander to go through with it, but you would have to consider the context of the situation. The Turians had just had several colonies; as in more than one; reduced to a barren world incapable of supporting life (even into the current timeline of the trilogy) the use of the Genophage was more likely the result of an emotional desire for reprisal than some master scheme to elevate the Turian people into a place of permanent power. 

I'll take back my overstatement regarding the act of deploying the Genophage itself, but I still don't see how the Council was orchestrating some tyrannical control over the Krogan after the Rebellions. The disarmament and restriction to Tuchunka would have happened regardless of whether the Genophage was used or the Krogan lost conventionally; that's what you do to a people that just tried to violently seize control of the galaxy, and brutally treated prisoners of war (the eating alive of Salarian captives) to indiscriminately targeting noncombatants. Still, despite this the Turians supplied the Krogan with foodstuffs, and the Salarians ensured that the orbital section of the Shroud was maintained as to keep the Krogan home world even remotely livable. The fact the Krogan decided to collectively fall into a species-wide sense of fatalism and self violence lead to their decline in numbers more than the Genophage and/or harsh treatment. As for the propaganda placed on the post-Rebellion Krogans, sure there are members of the council species that held unfair stereotypes, but it's not like your average Krogan was doing anything to disprove that either; what with most of them joining violent gangs or becoming guns-for-hire. Honestly, how would the public react to a Krogan, who flat out says that he would gladly kill whole Turian or Salarian families; people who's great-great grand fathers weren't even alive at the time of the Geophage deployment; for something that happened over 2,000 years ago? 

I'm not saying that the Council is entirely blameless here, but I disagree that the general "bad image" the Krogan got stuck with was entirely on them and some Illuminati-esque plot to keep said Krogan underfoot. 

My assessment of the situation on Virmire was much the same as yours; and I was disappointed that there did seem to be no option to attempt to save the cure itself.  However, my advice would be to just roll with it for now... stuff can happen in that later games (depending of course on what missions you do and the decisions you make when doing them).  Where Shep's argument in ME1 comes in is that Wrex does want his people to be independent and not used by the other races continually to wage wars.  Various facets of subservience and slavery are consistent underlying themes throughout the trilogy.

It depends... There are 3 other "plot worlds" - Therum, Noveria, Feros, and then, of course, Virmire.  If you've done all of the other three and Virmire is your 4th, you will be forced to go back to the Citadel the next time you access the galaxy and you will feel like you should rush to the next "plot world" of Ilos.  The moment you do go to Ilos, you will be locked into the end game.  Although it seems like you should go to Virmire, you are able to do all the other side quests first without effecting the outcome of the end game.  If you have not done all 4 plot worlds yet, just be sure to hold off doing the last plot world until after you've done as many of the side quest as you can.  If the 4th plot world that you haven't done yet is Feros or Noveria (and you've clearly done Noveria already), then there are likely a few side quests that won't unlock until after you've done Feros (and if you want to do them, you'll have to do them just before Ilos).  If the last plot world waiting to be done is Therum, you will be able to do all the side quests prior to Therum since that plot mission does not unlock any of the side quests nor does it give you paragon or renegade points that go towards unlocking either morality quest.

It's important to remember that during the Krogan Rebellions, the krogan actually had a very impressive fleet and a considerable amount of territory. The Rachni Wars lasted for centuries, even after the Krogan were uplifted. They had time to build up a considerable power base to the point that the Asari and Salarians couldn't defeat them on their own. Even with the full might of the Turian Empire working against them, the krogan pushed the line all the way back to Palavan's moons. The use of the genophage wasn't a punitive measure, it wasn't a preventative measure - it was a desperation measure; the krogan were winning.

Cut to the time of the trilogy, well over a thousand years later, and the krogan have no fleet, they've become disinfranchised and face considerable discrimination throughout the galaxy. Their own mindset and sense of defeatism creates an air of anti-intellectualism preventing them from pursuing scientific careers. For all the talk about how curing the genophage would be disastrous, Mordin actually points out that it would be disastrous for the krogan most of all if they decided to try to wage galactic war again - because they no longer have a fleet to speak of, the turians and the humans would bomb them to hell and back. The krogan aren't a threat on a galactic scale anymore, though in theory they could be again if allowed to re-militarize.

Then we move to the Andromeda galaxy where we've got only a few hundred krogan - it's mentioned there are less than two hundred of them in New Tuchanka - but the genophage is weakened significantly from one in a thousand viable births to four in a hundred. And while Elaaden isn't the most hospitable world, it isn't anywhere near as dangerous as Tuchanka is. The krogan in Heleus are about to undergo a major population boom and they don't have thousands of years of infrastructure to contend with as opposition. Everyone's on a pretty level playing field.

So far, themselves.  They haven't been able to get their shit together enough to even bother to clear out the wreckage on Tuchanka.  You have seen it in ME2 and ME3, yes?  They literally live in ruins.  They've never bothered to rebuild in over 2000 years (rebellion was in 700 CE, so that's 2100 years prior to the trilogy).  No one has any reason to think that they're capable.  Remember the laughter at krogan scientists?  Sure, we know there are smart krogan but they are a deep minority and don't generally seem to have much influence.

Interesting.  This being my first PT, I had no idea that the Rachni would be involved and didn't have Wrex on my team.  (I would've included  him if I had some hint Rachni would be showing up.)  I suppose that turned out to be a good thing because what would Shep be able to say to Wrex at that point?  I give the Rachni a second chance but not the Krogan?  Fortunately, my Paragon Fem-Shep had enough charm to calm Wrex down.   It would've been a double whammy to lose both Wrex and Kaiden.  (My Fem-Shep is a Sentinel, so I chose to save Ashley.)

Just curious; are the two situations dealt with in any ME books?  (Are there any?)  I wonder how having more background on the various conflicts impacts the two decisions?  I'm still surprised they didn't give Shep the option to save the research on the cure for the genophage while denying it to Saren and destroying the Krogan cloning facility.  (I'm surprised that wasn't shown in greater detail.)

This has bugged me for a long time. There is no reason for the other races to fear the Krogan. How tough they are in ground combat is completely irrelevant when it comes to threatening the rest of the galaxy. When their ships are blown off the sky they will die as any other species. The other races are way more advanced in terms of technology, battleships and economic resources. The Krogan are hopelessly behind scientifically and economically.