Vega and Ryder Swap Roles

I need to play DA2 again. I don't remember sarcastic Hawke that well.

I would've ended up liking Vega a lot more and Ryder a lot less.

Dr. Michel and Lexi
Vetra and Garrus
Udina and Addison
space hamster and mouse

How about we pull a space time maneuver, and we RIP Mordin out before the tower explodes.  They never did show him actually dying. Just the explosion, and as the rule goes for TV shows and movies, if you don't see the body. They are not truly dead.

That's why I thought Vega was so boring. He's just another normal gruntI don't want normal in a game. I get enough normal at work and every day life. To each his own though!

Vega and Shepard [possibly] had an edge to them that the Ryders won't ever have. The former pair were from de streetz

Ryder twins were raised in a always do the right thing environment

Lame for a video game

Most of the people I know in real-life all not at all well-adjusted.  They are balls-to-the-wall, devil-may-care, raging wackos. Some of them are even "insufferable assholes". And I love all of them.  In real life, not everyone has the privileges that promote what you call "well-adjusted"...but they are doing just fine (and they give the drab world a little color, imo). 

But regardless of the types of interesting, complex people that I prefer in real life (and the extreme ups and downs that go with that), those types o'people make video games waaaaaaaay more fun.  So some folks dig em.  I dig em. Doesn't have to mean any more than that. 

Jack's story was written with at least some attempt at depth (this is Bioware, so I am not pretending it was Salinger, or anything).  She had a screwed up childhood, and was lashing out.  She becomes a teacher later in the trilogy, a protector of young, bright people.  Did you ever stop to think there may be folks out there who identify with Jack (ahem, nipple clamps excluded...although I guess they exist as well)? Just like some folks identify with Cora (ie, folks in the military commented on a previous thread, and had some cool insights into this).

And Renegade Shep was just plain fun.  The enjoyment of playing as renegade is precisely BECAUSE it is stuff you wouldn't do in real life.  If I wanted a real life simulator, I guess I would play the Sims (and make sure my avatar pees regularly).

Well said.

I'd rather play as Alec Ryder. A former elite operative who gets shit done while taking care of his autistic children.

And give us a more fleshed-out Zaeed Massani as squadmate. He'll tell us war stories, show us how to de-plate a krogan and his loyalty mission would be dropping a nuke on a kett base or something like that.

Wide-eyed idealists are boring. Edgy victims like Jack are shit as well.

I love Scott, largely because I always play these games as the quintessential good guy, with a slant towards sarcasm & quirkiness. 

So he fit my niche perfectly. 

With that being said, there were a handful of moments where I wanted to be angry / pissed off / furious at someone, and the game wouldn't really let me be that asshole / rude / arrogant guy. 

Fair enough (I wasn't trying to be preachy...it was a pre-coffee post). I just find basic decorum overrated and a bit of a snooze fest  in a video game.   Bring on the nipple clamps!