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Post by Element Zero on Apr 5, 2017 23:14:35 GMT
But Mordin (your squadmate) WAS unique. Jaal is everywhere you turn, with only that little scar to differentiate. The angara didn't bother me. They came in so many beautiful shades, hues and varieties of color, that the limited number of models didn't even strike me. The turians from the OT, as others have mentioned, have always been far worse offenders. The angara are much like OT salarians-- same models, presented with great variety. Plus, the angara at least had great variety in their voices. All OT salarians and turians, by comparison, shared the same few voices.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 23:20:26 GMT
I fully agree on the Asari face. No variation at all, except for Peebee and maybe the Asari pathfinder (the one that replaced the original pathfinder). Also agree that they could have done a bit better with the Angarans. Not to mention the Kett!!! Absolutely no variation between the Chosen. The Kett all looking alike sort of works. ...considering they're all created in a lab.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 5, 2017 23:20:41 GMT
Krogan is Bioware's favorite race, it seems that they have the most diversity. different color and different shapes. I only saw two Krogan when I played (trial). While they had differen skin tones from each other, and may have looked different, (not sure) I noticed their face/neck and headplate were all the same colour and pattern. Does that hold for all of them in Andromeda? Nope. Each of the species actually feature great variety in the variety of their colors and markings. It was a bit jarring, at first, on turians, but I grew to appreciate it.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 5, 2017 23:22:52 GMT
All females has the same bra and cupsize also;) Probably the same bum also. They certainly got a substantial upgrade from the more "average" physique of the OT. What were they feeding these AI ladies?!
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Post by mordivier on Apr 5, 2017 23:23:07 GMT
But Mordin (your squadmate) WAS unique. Jaal is everywhere you turn, with only that little scar to differentiate. The angara didn't bother me. They came in so many beautiful shades, hues and varieties of color, that the limited number of models didn't even strike me. The turians from the OT, as others have mentioned, have always been far worse offenders. The angara are much like OT salarians-- same models, presented with great variety. Plus, the angara at least had great variety in their voices. All OT salarians and turians, by comparison, shared the same few voices. The irony is that it is lore established that humans have a hard time telling one turian from another. Except for eye color and tattoos...I kinda agree.
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 5, 2017 23:23:55 GMT
But Mordin (your squadmate) WAS unique. Jaal is everywhere you turn, with only that little scar to differentiate. The angara didn't bother me. They came in so many beautiful shades, hues and varieties of color, that the limited number of models didn't even strike me. The turians from the OT, as others have mentioned, have always been far worse offenders. The angara are much like OT salarians-- same models, presented with great variety. Plus, the angara at least had great variety in their voices. All OT salarians and turians, by comparison, shared the same few voices. Thank you. People are acting like its something new that's so terrible. ....Witcher 3 reused the exact same NPCs and voices for so many characters but when Bioware does it, it's just bad.......
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 5, 2017 23:26:22 GMT
The angara didn't bother me. They came in so many beautiful shades, hues and varieties of color, that the limited number of models didn't even strike me. The turians from the OT, as others have mentioned, have always been far worse offenders. The angara are much like OT salarians-- same models, presented with great variety. Plus, the angara at least had great variety in their voices. All OT salarians and turians, by comparison, shared the same few voices. The irony is that it is lore established that humans have a hard time telling one turian from another. Except for eye color and tattoos...I kinda agree. I think the point of that scene is that it is the same turian, and he's a racist prick. Still, it's playing upon truth. Our brains rapidly sort and process features when they're on a face of the sort we are used to seeing. The process slows when we are exposed to new sets of features. I can only imagine how amplified this would be with aliens!
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Post by vonuber on Apr 5, 2017 23:26:58 GMT
The lack of asari variation is puzzling. I don't see how they thought we wouldn't notice? It's so obvious it's like there is only one character running around doing all the parts. I guess the delay in the texture loading is her changing outfits.
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Post by quecojo on Apr 5, 2017 23:28:09 GMT
I fully agree on the Asari face. No variation at all, except for Peebee and maybe the Asari pathfinder (the one that replaced the original pathfinder). Also agree that they could have done a bit better with the Angarans. Not to mention the Kett!!! Absolutely no variation between the Chosen. The Kett all looking alike sort of works. ...considering they're all created in a lab. I guess... But at least some different bony growths or something!!! Like the older the chosen the more bone formations or something. Although, with so many of the Angarans looking alike, I guess I can't really complain about the kett looking alike as well...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 23:32:11 GMT
The angara didn't bother me. They came in so many beautiful shades, hues and varieties of color, that the limited number of models didn't even strike me. The turians from the OT, as others have mentioned, have always been far worse offenders. The angara are much like OT salarians-- same models, presented with great variety. Plus, the angara at least had great variety in their voices. All OT salarians and turians, by comparison, shared the same few voices. Thank you. People are acting like its something new that's so terrible. ....Witcher 3 reused the exact same NPCs and voices for so many characters but when Bioware does it, it's just bad....... TW3 did have more unique looking NPCs than ME:A. Did every nameless peasant look completely unique? No, of course not. You're never going to have entirely unique looking minor NPCs in a large RPG with hundreds of characters, but ME:A is noticeably worse in that regard compared to similar RPGs like the Witcher. It just wasn't prioritized and management at Bioware didn't think it was that important, if the recent info from alleged inside sources in Bioware is legit. 2:57:
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 5, 2017 23:32:56 GMT
I only saw two Krogan when I played (trial). While they had different skin tones from each other, and may have looked different, (not sure) I noticed their face/neck and headplate were all the same colour and pattern. Does that hold for all of them in Andromeda? Nope. Each of the species actually feature great variety in the variety of their colors and markings. It was a bit jarring, at first, on turians, but I grew to appreciate it. What I found strange about the Krogan specifically was that their head plates were the same as their skin colour and texture, where in the OT the head plate was always a darker red or green, and skin was yellowish, or some other lighter colour.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 5, 2017 23:37:35 GMT
About the NPC's A quest in SWTOR on Tatooine involves freeing 5 slaves in one room. All five were the exact same model. They did this all over with background characters. now, of course, they are doing it with major chracters like Lexi too, it seems.
Salarians, Krogan and Turians looking the same dont really bother me since they don't have human faces.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 5, 2017 23:38:33 GMT
I fully agree on the Asari face. No variation at all, except for Peebee and maybe the Asari pathfinder (the one that replaced the original pathfinder). Also agree that they could have done a bit better with the Angarans. Not to mention the Kett!!! Absolutely no variation between the Chosen. Pibbi isn't even Asari, she's a human girl teenager who likes to paint herself blue.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 5, 2017 23:41:04 GMT
Nope. Each of the species actually feature great variety in the variety of their colors and markings. It was a bit jarring, at first, on turians, but I grew to appreciate it. What I found strange about the Krogan specifically was that their head plates were the same as their skin colour and texture, where in the OT the head plate was always a darker red or green, and skin was yellowish, or some other lighter colour. It turns out that this is a sign of age, apparently. That's why Drack is a bit washed out in appearance. There are a few krogan that are more monochromatic, but in general they've become more colorful and varied. The addition of female krogan likely helped, since they seem to often wear paint.
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Post by Warrick on Apr 5, 2017 23:44:49 GMT
People are saying it was the same in the OT. If that's the case, I think ME1 did a fantastic job hiding it. I may be blind but Pallin's mandibles look different to me somehow. I'm pretty sure his nose is thinner than Nihlus' nose also. I would swear Lorik from Noveria has smaller eye sockets. And so on.
Whatever the reason, they look distinct.
Same for asari. I can't tell if the consort has the same face as nassana dantius, but somehow you can definitely tell one from the other.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 23:51:39 GMT
People are saying it was the same in the OT. If that's the case, I think ME1 did a fantastic job hiding it. I may be blind but Pallin's mandibles look different to me somehow. I'm pretty sure his nose is thinner than Nihlus' nose also. I would swear Lorik from Noveria has smaller eye sockets. And so on. Whatever the reason, they look distinct. Same for asari. I can't tell if the consort has the same face as nassana dantius, but somehow you can definitely tell one from the other. The original trilogy did do a better job of making NPCs look unique. It wasn't perfect and you did see some clones, particularly with background NPCs that you didn't interact with, but usually there was enough differences with characters you interacted with on missions to give them a unique appearance. Nassana Dantius doesn't look like the Consort and neither looks like Rana or Shiala. In ME:A all of those characters would have shared Lexi's face.
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Post by fchopin on Apr 5, 2017 23:52:10 GMT
We get nothing but clones in MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 23:53:11 GMT
People are saying it was the same in the OT. If that's the case, I think ME1 did a fantastic job hiding it. I may be blind but Pallin's mandibles look different to me somehow. I'm pretty sure his nose is thinner than Nihlus' nose also. I would swear Lorik from Noveria has smaller eye sockets. And so on. Whatever the reason, they look distinct. Same for asari. I can't tell if the consort has the same face as nassana dantius, but somehow you can definitely tell one from the other. The original trilogy did do a better job of making NPCs look unique. It wasn't perfect and you did see some clones, particularly with background NPCs that you didn't interact with, but usually there was enough differences with characters you interacted with on missions to give them a unique appearance. Nassana Dantius doesn't look like the Consort and neither looks like Rana. In ME:A they'd have all shared Lexi's face. Main issue with Andromeda is that they insisted on adding 1200 npc's you can talk to. If you can't handle that many and make them look unique, well then scale the f down.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 5, 2017 23:54:24 GMT
People are saying it was the same in the OT. If that's the case, I think ME1 did a fantastic job hiding it. I may be blind but Pallin's mandibles look different to me somehow. I'm pretty sure his nose is thinner than Nihlus' nose also. I would swear Lorik from Noveria has smaller eye sockets. And so on. Whatever the reason, they look distinct. Same for asari. I can't tell if the consort has the same face as nassana dantius, but somehow you can definitely tell one from the other. It was all creative color usage. Carapace color, paint variety, and whether they filled in the eye sockets, or not. (Qi'in's sockets were black, if I recall correctly.) The turians aren't very well done, in my opinion, in MEA. With a few exceptions, they are drab and unvaried, aside from the occasional colorful carapace. I could see many turians of the Initiative deciding to remove their colony markings. If this were to be the case, though, it should've been mentioned. Instead, they just look bland and unimaginative.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 23:57:21 GMT
The original trilogy did do a better job of making NPCs look unique. It wasn't perfect and you did see some clones, particularly with background NPCs that you didn't interact with, but usually there was enough differences with characters you interacted with on missions to give them a unique appearance. Nassana Dantius doesn't look like the Consort and neither looks like Rana. In ME:A they'd have all shared Lexi's face. Main issue with Andromeda is that they insisted on adding 1200 npc's you can talk to. If you can't handle that many and make them look unique, well then scale the f down. If the alleged info from inside sources is legit it also just wasn't prioritized. Supposedly assets like ships and objects in the environment were given precedence with Bioware's in house artists, with character models for NPCs and the facial animations being farmed out to an EA studio in Romania.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 23:58:22 GMT
Makes me wonder if that large scarred flesh with the chunk of skin missing from Jaal's head was a way of knowing it was him when he isn't wearing his usual clothing. Sometimes in my game he doesn't even wear his monocle.
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Post by Warrick on Apr 6, 2017 0:23:16 GMT
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 6, 2017 0:28:43 GMT
It's Li! I hope he survived the Reaper War. He seemed like a cool dude. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just good texturing, colors, etc... There is Saren, Garrus and every other turian, from what I'm seeing. That's only if I examine it, though. A little bit of visual variety and solid characterization is all I need to see NPCs as individuals.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 0:38:28 GMT
I'm okay with some of the more alien species looking almost exactly alike. They probably would to us anyway!
After all if you were shown a collection of photographs of say, different elephant or hippo faces, how many could you tell apart? Unless you're a biologist or work in a zoo, probably not many, and those are species that share our own planet.
It's really only an issue with the aliens that share our facial features.
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Post by adelthorne on Apr 6, 2017 0:39:23 GMT
We get nothing but clones in MEA. Maybe they cloned us in cryo?
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