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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 5, 2017 22:22:34 GMT
As the topic suggests considering what befell the Arks,do you think perhaps they might of been best arming the Arks to be at the very least capable of defending against hostile attacks from other ships.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 5, 2017 22:45:06 GMT
Well maybe it just wouldn't be legal for them to do so. They weren't some kind of military so maybe they weren't allowed to have weapons? Still, going into space without weapons just seems like a bad idea anyway.
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Post by commandcodes on Apr 5, 2017 22:47:19 GMT
Of course they should have. Shocking naivete. At least they had readily accessible weapons lockers
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Post by commandcodes on Apr 5, 2017 22:53:37 GMT
The Tempest isn't armed either, although I suppose we could make the case that if stealth running wasn't enough against the odds then piddly guns wouldn't be. Maybe leadership wanted the stealthy Tempest to be seen as sincerely peaceful rather than potential pirate, leaving the guns on other ships that could be deployed if it came to that
It was funny seeing shuttles turned into ersatz gunships on Meridian by opening the door and opening fire with small arms
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Post by Croatsky on Apr 5, 2017 22:56:24 GMT
They are a private civilian expedition. Governments of Milky Way would not have been keen of allowing serious arms to AI, as well I doubt they could have afford to arm a small fleet.
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Post by crimsonfenryr on Apr 5, 2017 23:01:12 GMT
The entire core of AI was to colonize Andromeda and form peaceful relationships with the aliens there. They even have a First Contact Code that states engagement is a last resort.
There was no reason for the arks to have weapons as that would only cause tension and scare the locals potentially sparking a war between galaxies.
Remember how the First Contact War started? I can assure you the humans and Turians haven't forgotten.
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Post by commandcodes on Apr 5, 2017 23:09:28 GMT
The entire core of AI was to colonize Andromeda and form peaceful relationships with the aliens there. They even have a First Contact Code that states engagement is a last resort. There was no reason for the arks to have weapons as that would only cause tension and scare the locals potentially sparking a war between galaxies. Remember how the First Contact War started? I can assure you the humans and Turians haven't forgotten. And then enter the kett. Even if unwinnable, would be a lot more comfortable blowing them out of the sky I think the argument plausible that Milky Way governments simply weren't on board with private entities armed with capital ship weaponry. Not if they can help it, at least
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Post by Wulfram on Apr 5, 2017 23:12:26 GMT
I doubt the Arks themselves could be made meaningfully defensible. They're too big to be manoeuvrable.
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Post by jtom2k on Apr 5, 2017 23:16:43 GMT
I think there should have been military personnel with weaponry and perhaps armed smaller ships. A dedicated hanger bay on the arks for military craft in case of defense. Without a doubt, they could have suspected that there may have been the presence of other species that they were not aware off, and thus would have taken protective measures before they left.
All in all, I believe they couldn't arm the arks due to legal issues in the Milky Way, but they should have had protective measures aboard for military personnel for safety purposes.
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Post by quecojo on Apr 5, 2017 23:26:04 GMT
If not weapons, then at least some sort of self defense mechanisms, like countermeasures or jammers or something... Would have helped the Asari and the Salarians for sure...
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 5, 2017 23:31:26 GMT
The entire core of AI was to colonize Andromeda and form peaceful relationships with the aliens there. They even have a First Contact Code that states engagement is a last resort. There was no reason for the arks to have weapons as that would only cause tension and scare the locals potentially sparking a war between galaxies. Remember how the First Contact War started? I can assure you the humans and Turians haven't forgotten. Well look at the happened to the council representatives on the Yagh homeworld,if you want peace then prepare for war. The first contact war started when the Turians directly attacked the Human forces at the relay,there was no meeting just aggression.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 5, 2017 23:34:20 GMT
If not weapons, then at least some sort of self defense mechanisms, like countermeasures or jammers or something... Would have helped the Asari and the Salarians for sure... Yep. One of the things I mentioned, in the offline BSN, was what defenses will the ships have. I didn't care about the other stuff. Only the defenses. Just have an automated defense system. It may not have done much especially after the ships ran into the scrouge, but it would have been better than nothing
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Post by sentinel87 on Apr 5, 2017 23:52:11 GMT
Absolutely they should have been.
I can understand the logic behind the Tempest being unarmed, but the arks should have some form of defensive capability. Something along the lines of advanced shielding/armor and anti-missile systems.
They did seem to at least bring along fighters, but that was it for anything nearing offensive capabilities without modifying shuttles or the Tempest.
Overall the Initiative is very much a hope for the best side of things. I think Tann even said they thought they would be able to reason their way out of any hostilities. The game makes it really clear throughout that the initiative were almost pacifist in their outlook on things. The constant "Things will be different here in Andromeda" is crazy if you ask me.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 6, 2017 2:13:55 GMT
If aliens showed up on earth tomorrow telling us they came in peace but had obvious armaments on their ships, I'd be terrified to think of what my country's current administration's reaction would be.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 6, 2017 2:15:57 GMT
If the arks had been armed the Kett would've destroyed them completely.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 6, 2017 2:22:54 GMT
If aliens showed up on earth tomorrow telling us they came in peace but had obvious armaments on their ships, I'd be terrified to think of what my country's current administration's reaction would be. Probably the same as if they appeared to be unarmed, honestly. Sigh.... You're not wrong.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 6, 2017 2:40:26 GMT
In hindsight, yes, they should have been armed. A lot of asari and salarians would still be alive if they had defenses.
I understand why they weren't, and I can't fault them for that decision, but I imagine it's a decision they wouldn't have repeated if they could go back and do it all over again.
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Post by fiannawolf on Apr 6, 2017 2:57:09 GMT
I think everything should have been armed properly. But it looks like ME:A's plot needed the Arks as Lambs to make conflict points in the story.
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Post by melisan on Apr 6, 2017 3:46:21 GMT
Of course the AI does have weapons. But the distinction is whether they send an Exploration/Colonization ship with a handful of marines, or whether they send an expeditionary force packed in a Warship.
The distinction is a conscious one and not an oversight by the writers. The Natives (Angara) graced two types of aliens from outside the Helius Cluster. One, from Andromeda Proper, comes the Kett, Armed with Warships and aimed at not only conquering Helius, but also Assimilating them. Two, from the Milky way, the AI, riding in on large Colony ships, aimed to integrate and cohabit Helius.
This is a thematic choice on how to tackle the matter of "what is the proper way to colonize"? By not arming the AI arks, the writers are saying that the AI should not be seen akin to Columbus or other conquistadors who "discovered" and then wiped out the native populace.
I don't think they have the answer (how could they???) but they are definitely probing the question.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 6, 2017 4:41:47 GMT
Well maybe it just wouldn't be legal for them to do so. They weren't some kind of military so maybe they weren't allowed to have weapons? Still, going into space without weapons just seems like a bad idea anyway. This post really sums up each side of the issue. Arming them effectively would've been unacceptable, most likely, to the Council. You'd be building the largest dreadnoughts and/or carriers in the history of the Council's rule. Still, heading out without more weaponry than the "none" we see is extremely questionable. You may not wish to arrive looking like an invading armada; but neither do you want to arrive looking like a pirate's wet dream.
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Post by RakiaTime on Apr 6, 2017 4:43:21 GMT
In the Hyperion entry in the codex, or was in in the AI one, either way it said that goverments werent happy with a private organisation building 4 dreadnaught csize ships and concessions had to be made, i assume that means guns
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Post by commandcodes on Apr 6, 2017 6:17:35 GMT
If aliens showed up on earth tomorrow telling us they came in peace but had obvious armaments on their ships, I'd be terrified to think of what my country's current administration's reaction would be. And if they were kett?
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Post by RakiaTime on Apr 6, 2017 6:51:35 GMT
If aliens showed up on earth tomorrow telling us they came in peace but had obvious armaments on their ships, I'd be terrified to think of what my country's current administration's reaction would be. personally i think "nuke the motherfuckers" would be a appropriate and justified reaction
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Post by Croatsky on Apr 6, 2017 8:03:14 GMT
They are a private civilian expedition. Governments of Milky Way would not have been keen of allowing serious arms to AI, as well I doubt they could have afford to arm a small fleet. They can fund this absurdly expensive initiative but they couldn't afford to toss a few guns on? And I don't think the AI initiative gave a crap about governments in the MW since they, you know, have SAM installed all over the place. There's a thing call going over budget and cutting costs. And a few guns are expensive addition. And it could also be power efficiency issue, as guns would have wasted a lot of power and they wouldn't be that useful when ships are not armoured for warfare. Ships would basically be glass cannons, which is not good unless you are truly desperate. Also they can easily develop A.I. research outside Citadel Council space and secretly add them to the ship and pretend they are V.I. You can't however slap Thanix guns on your ships and get unwanted attention from Milky Way governments.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 6, 2017 9:40:14 GMT
Yes. They wouldn't need to put a massive gun on it but something to shoot off tiny ships in self defense wouldn't be a big deal. And the governments of the milkyway galaxy had no problem with small guns on ships. Also the tempest could easily have had some guns put on it. They could have been small guns to fight off pirate vessels or something!
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