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Post by kino on Apr 6, 2017 14:58:10 GMT
hah. The politics in this thread is funnier that the original post. Just gonna sit here with my chimichanga and coffee, watch the show.
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Post by Fogg on Apr 6, 2017 14:58:36 GMT
So where are my topless Asari night club dancers?
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Post by unwanted on Apr 6, 2017 14:59:18 GMT
Are...you really surprised by this? This is the world we live in now.
I hear you. So they are diverse or whatever, big *******deal, get over yourselves Bioware and stop shoving it down peoples throats at every opportunity.
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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 6, 2017 15:02:42 GMT
I remember the "OMG alien sex WTF" media stories when ME came out, despite the fact that the nudity in it would be acceptable in a PG-13 movie, or maybe even skirt by on regular TV. Now, 10 years later, I can fully attest to full on R-rated Azure(Yeah, I like Asari) in Andromeda, and from what I can tell,not a peep. Then again, there was full nudity in Dragon Age Inquistion, so. Not sure where you live, but where I am, you can't turn on the news without being bombarded with breaking news about how everything is going to shit and world is about to explode at any moment. I will give my left arm to go back to a world where a video game nudy scene makes news.
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Post by stysiaq on Apr 6, 2017 15:15:13 GMT
You are thinking about this all wrong.
BW reputation is not exactly shining these days, an average score of about 7/10 for ME:A is not exactly a compliment for an AAA game. At the very least they need to try and preserve their reputation among the social justice slacktivists. An over the top apology for a "micro-aggression" is the perfect way to virtue-signal.
But we all know that the slacktivists and the outrage brigade isn't their customer base. They just bitch and moan about 'getting represented', and BioWare was stupid to go down the rabbit hole of the sensless tumblr drivel and throw them bones, like this half-assed transgender attempt. However, can we by any chance create outrages about other pieces of writing so they patch them out bit-by-bit? I propose creating outrage about the fucking pronouns shit, because it's the butt of the joke on the internet and doesn't make any sense in the world of universal translators. The aliens don't speak fucking english, they speak their own languages that get translated. And if Asari would exist irl they surely wouldn't have female/male pronouns in their own language (since they have 1 gender) so they wouldn't hear them.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 6, 2017 15:36:02 GMT
So they are diverse or whatever, big *******deal, get over yourselves Bioware and stop shoving it down peoples throats at every opportunity. Please list with examples how they shove it down everyone's throat at every opportunity. I'll help you start - you can mention the optional minor npc hidden away somewhere, where you have to deliberately go up to and ask personal questions about if you want an example to start with. Truly shoving it there. Anyway- boobs.
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Post by joglee on Apr 6, 2017 15:41:50 GMT
You can actually watch Coras face as Ryder goes for a quick thrust to let her know whos boss, now. I gotta say it's one area of the game thats changed with the times and i like it. Oh, my word I like it.... Lol, the wording there....Just lol.
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Post by stysiaq on Apr 6, 2017 16:01:52 GMT
I don't hate ME:A, it's entertaining enough even if it is very flawed, but if they are in the business of apologizing there are a few things they need to apologize for before that.
Yup, they should apologize for tech issues first. If you pay up $60 you should expect certain level of quality, and ME:A didn't deliver on that.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 6, 2017 16:35:26 GMT
It's all about shifting the blame and wanting to be the victim. The ME games are clearly rated M for mature (17+) but people would rather blame publishers for their terrible parenting.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 6, 2017 16:52:04 GMT
Well, 10 years ago the left - or rather the liberal media - was not yet in charge of the public discord, so the outrage train was in another station. Today sexism (among other things), rather then sex, is a apparently a problem in games... and the outrage is about as valid as it was back then. Besides: ME1's scene was a hell of a lot more tasteful then what we got in MEA... if anything, the Cora scene is funny in how it tries to be "mature content" without actually showing much. With the level of laziness the game was made with, I was half expecting for them to swap out Cora's model for Vetra's. Oh, ffs. Time for some fake news and alternative facts, right? That damned liberal media! *shakes fist*
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 6, 2017 16:57:31 GMT
Well, 10 years ago the left - or rather the liberal media - was not yet in charge of the public discord, so the outrage train was in another station. Today sexism (among other things), rather then sex, is a apparently a problem in games... and the outrage is about as valid as it was back then. Besides: ME1's scene was a hell of a lot more tasteful then what we got in MEA... if anything, the Cora scene is funny in how it tries to be "mature content" without actually showing much. With the level of laziness the game was made with, I was half expecting for them to swap out Cora's model for Vetra's. Oh, ffs. Time for some fake news and alternative facts, right? That damned liberal media! *shakes fist* You obviously didn't live through the era of FOX's conservative outrage journalism... it was exactly the same thing. Also: What the f are fake news? That's "yellow press", and it always existed.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 6, 2017 17:06:50 GMT
Are...you really surprised by this? This is the world we live in now.
No worries, it needs just one good war to get evolution going again and we're back to normal.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 6, 2017 17:07:06 GMT
Oh, ffs. Time for some fake news and alternative facts, right? That damned liberal media! *shakes fist* You obviously didn't live through the era of FOX's conservative outrage journalism... it was exactly the same thing. Also: What the f are fake news? That's "yellow press", and it always existed. Fake news is anything that portrays your interests in a negative light.
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Post by myalzalean on Apr 6, 2017 17:12:30 GMT
One thing we excel at as human beings is trying to force our values, opinions, and beliefs on one another.
I still remember in the 80's when there was this outcry to ban the Smurfs because Papa Smurf used magic and they were therefore satanic.
Nowadays the Smurfs would be criticized for gender inequality and lack of diversity.
It seems tolerance, like respect, is a one way street for a lot of people these days.
It's okay to have an opinion as long as it is in agreement with the mainstream, otherwise you are just a pathetic (insert derogatory label here)!
Controversy is now in our DNA, if we don't have some platform to lecture from then we can't seem to be happy.
However, in the end, this is supposed to be a video game and something we do for fun.
I'm not saying everything has to be rainbows, unicorns, peace, love, why can't we all get along drivel, but in the words of the immortal Joker, why so serious?
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Post by Iakus on Apr 6, 2017 17:13:25 GMT
I don't hate ME:A, it's entertaining enough even if it is very flawed, but if they are in the business of apologizing there are a few things they need to apologize for before that.
Yup, they should apologize for tech issues first. If you pay up $60 you should expect certain level of quality, and ME:A didn't deliver on that. Up to? I think MEA's price started at $60 and went up best on how Awesome an edition you wanted.
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Post by mordrek on Apr 6, 2017 17:23:18 GMT
I agree, for those of us old enough to remember the "retarded religious right" and their outrage during the 90's, you are really seeing the same thing coming from morons on the left side of the political spectrum now. I think it's much worse now though because of social media and instant access to the internet.
I think I first heard about pseudo-science as a kid in the 90's when that guy got on national tv saying video games caused young men to commit violence, and they had scientific studies to back it up. Hell they even tried to blame Columbine on video games.
Now it's just the same script different foot.
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Post by Furisco on Apr 6, 2017 17:31:09 GMT
No sipping ryncol now eh? That still happens. Sip that shit
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 6, 2017 17:31:21 GMT
Oh, ffs. Time for some fake news and alternative facts, right? That damned liberal media! *shakes fist* You obviously didn't live through the era of FOX's conservative outrage journalism... it was exactly the same thing. Also: What the f are fake news? That's "yellow press", and it always existed. To be fair, it seems to have originated from a person who probably didn't really know what "yellow journalism" is.
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 6, 2017 17:32:44 GMT
You obviously didn't live through the era of FOX's conservative outrage journalism... it was exactly the same thing. Also: What the f are fake news? That's "yellow press", and it always existed. Fake news is anything that portrays your interests in a negative light. Since when are NEWS related to anyone's interests? I think people just don't know what that word actually means anymore... then again, it's not the only word suffering that fate in our oh so progressive and enlightened world. *shrugs*
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 6, 2017 17:43:15 GMT
Fake news is anything that portrays your interests in a negative light. Since when are NEWS related to anyone's interests? I think people just don't know what that word actually means anymore... then again, it's not the only word suffering that fate in our oh so progressive and enlightened world. *shrugs* The news is rarely ever nonpartisan these days.
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 6, 2017 18:03:04 GMT
Since when are NEWS related to anyone's interests? I think people just don't know what that word actually means anymore... then again, it's not the only word suffering that fate in our oh so progressive and enlightened world. *shrugs* The news is rarely ever nonpartisan these days. True, in that regard, everything is "fake news", at least to a certain degree... and since only very few people bother to get all the facts - even before bringing "alternative facts" into the mix - means that most of them are misinformed.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 6, 2017 18:08:48 GMT
The news is rarely ever nonpartisan these days. True, in that regard, everything is "fake news", at least to a certain degree... and since only very few people bother to get all the facts - even before bringing "alternative facts" into the mix - means that most of them are misinformed. Well I definitely don't endorse the buzzword "fake news" as it's just a danger to freedom of the press. John Mccain has talked about this: “I hate the press. I hate you, especially,” he said to Todd, who laughed. “But the fact is, we need you. We need a free press. We must have it. It's vital.”
“If you want to preserve democracy as we know it, you have to have a free and, many times, adversarial press,” McCain added. “And without it, I am afraid that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time. That's how dictators get started.”So no I would not take the buzzword "fake news" seriously at all and the term "alternative facts" needs no explanation.
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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 6, 2017 18:16:33 GMT
True, in that regard, everything is "fake news", at least to a certain degree... and since only very few people bother to get all the facts - even before bringing "alternative facts" into the mix - means that most of them are misinformed. Well I definitely don't endorse the buzzword "fake news" as it's just a danger to freedom of the press. John Mccain has talked about this: “I hate the press. I hate you, especially,” he said to Todd, who laughed. “But the fact is, we need you. We need a free press. We must have it. It's vital.”
“If you want to preserve democracy as we know it, you have to have a free and, many times, adversarial press,” McCain added. “And without it, I am afraid that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time. That's how dictators get started.”So no I would not take the buzzword "fake news" seriously at all and the term "alternative facts" needs no explanation. it's even more insidious than you guys think. Media likes to brag about how factual they are, and they always defends against critics by citing facts, but in reality facts are not as important as they make it out to be. The real power they have is to present the "fact" in whatever context they wish, and its context that does the most to shape people's perception of reality
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Post by smilesja on Apr 6, 2017 18:24:24 GMT
I don't hate ME:A, it's entertaining enough even if it is very flawed, but if they are in the business of apologizing there are a few things they need to apologize for before that.
Yup, they should apologize for tech issues first. If you pay up $60 you should expect certain level of quality, and ME:A didn't deliver on that. I think they kind of did
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Post by warbaby2 on Apr 6, 2017 18:31:11 GMT
True, in that regard, everything is "fake news", at least to a certain degree... and since only very few people bother to get all the facts - even before bringing "alternative facts" into the mix - means that most of them are misinformed. Well I definitely don't endorse the buzzword "fake news" as it's just a danger to freedom of the press. John Mccain has talked about this: “I hate the press. I hate you, especially,” he said to Todd, who laughed. “But the fact is, we need you. We need a free press. We must have it. It's vital.”
“If you want to preserve democracy as we know it, you have to have a free and, many times, adversarial press,” McCain added. “And without it, I am afraid that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time. That's how dictators get started.”So no I would not take the buzzword "fake news" seriously at all and the term "alternative facts" needs no explanation. Oh, I agree, the press isn't the problem - it's actually the people. Whether you believe everything the news tell you, or you believe none of it, both are lazy and - in a democratic society - irresponsible positions. The only accusation that can be safely leveled against the industrial media complex is: They are too corporate... money plays to big of a role... but then again, that goes for every part of western society, so. smilesja : Good for you, but we aren't setting the standards here, the industry does - and two huge patches in two weeks say it's a fact... this game is "broken", and BW knows it. Yet, they rather concentrate on virtue signaling before they admit that fact to their paying customers... I call that a FAIL.
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