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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 6, 2017 17:08:47 GMT
Of course the Angarans are primitive in comparison to the Milky Way. The Milky Way has Javik. Javik would be able to troll Jaal hard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 17:27:20 GMT
I don't get the comparison. They were a rather advanced race until:
1) scourge 2) Kett occupation 3) remnant malfunctions on several of their planets
You cannot even make any kind of comparison about them that would be accurate because right about now, they are maybe on par with the Quarians but the quarians were not dealing with the specific threats the kett pose with regards to some specific spoilers. Pre Scourge, pre kett and pre remnant malfunctions we are given some clues that they were probably on par with quarians pre geth uprising.
Their planets were beautiful. They were technologically advanced. The scourge destroyed one of their planets killing billions. Havarl is in steep decline which you help repair. Voeld was apparently much different IIRC. Even Aya has scourge damage.
There's just no way to really compare anything from the milky way to anything in heleus because of the decay and destruction caused by those three things. We already know that previously we had all these golden worlds to live on that are/were barely hospitable when we arrive and even after we get the vaults up and running. Before that, things in andromeda looked pretty awesome. But as long as we have the scourge they will really always be at risk. The scourge might be on par with the reapers for the threat it poses. The only difference is that it is much slower and does not appear to be intelligent in nature. Frankly, it might become our worst foe down the line. We just don't have enough information. But considering that, and how the Angara have survived as well as they have (created a strong resistance, still able to do research, able to mount fairly powerful attacks against the kett and were still getting by though our involvement clearly tips the tables), they seem pretty powerful in their own right.
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Post by commandcodes on Apr 6, 2017 19:36:18 GMT
OP all true but the angara are a shattered civilization. They do have some fancy tech
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Post by RageUnderFire on Apr 6, 2017 22:10:20 GMT
I feel bad for Angara when the Krogans in Androma evolve and no longer suffer the Genophage.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 6, 2017 22:25:17 GMT
Actually according to BW #AsariMasterRace can defeat anything or anyone.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 6, 2017 22:38:01 GMT
Also, think about it this way. In the Milky-way, we basically built our tech off of the reapers. We really didn't invent or create a lot of the tech we use since it's origins is all advanced reaper tech. The Angarans didn't have that help. Perhaps, they copied some of the remnant tech to help boost their technology process, but I have a feeling a lot of it is self creation making them smarter then people from the MW since MW cheated with reaper tech.
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Post by simsimillia on Apr 7, 2017 0:09:53 GMT
The Angara may not have biotics, but every member of their species can discharge electricity and it is shown that they can use that to create shields as well with that.
They also developed the two hardest hitting infantry weapons in the cluster.
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Post by KLGChaos on Apr 7, 2017 7:58:01 GMT
The Milky Way races seem more technically advanced, but the Kett and Jaardan are more biologically advanced. I think it's an interesting dichotemy.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 7, 2017 8:04:35 GMT
The 'Angarans' may, in a sense, very well be more advanced than anything Milky Way except maybe Reapers.
The theory that they're the actual 'ghosts' of the Jaardan is something I find compelling enough to presume it is true.
So they lost to the Scourge (source may be outside of the cluster), worlds wrecked, and Kett more recently decimating them.
And they're still portrayed to have a more technological aptitude than anyone else. To the point of being outright 'technopaths'. They're quite possibly kept back in development of the most amazing things (that the Milky Way was safer to at least have pop up; aka AI development), just from having challenge upon challenge hit them and forcing them to adapt in another way.
(The Quarians may still be better 'creators' of technology than the Angara though. The Angara seem to have a slower paced harmony focus that probably keeps them from particularly high ambitions; and indeed, a little freaked out by some Milky Way species.)
If the destiny of the Angara is both existing Remnant tech and utilization of it for eventual galaxy-wide use, they are no 'primitives', but arguably on the path to becoming a civilization (at some point) that would be powerful enough that if they were in the MW, they'd, alone, be capable challenging the Reapers.
The Kett on the other hand, while a probably rather large spanning empire, I think are set to be illuminated as rather actually 'primitive'. I mean we kinda get that vibe already, but they're still pumped up as enough of a problem to the weak Angarans and enfeebled Initiative. But in the larger scale, I can see things going very badly for them.
Where they may provide a threat is in absorbing *us*, and they do have an adaptability. One they may unwittingly, as a group, be keeping down (whereas the Angarans may more quickly leap for their opportunities), but we already have precedent for individual ambitions within their society. But I have the feeling that the Kett are meant to provide more of a 'texture' to the kinds of things we'll be seeing in Andromeda, while the Angarans are made they way they are for a very important longer-term plot.
But are all of these weaker than Milky Way peoples? At least sorta, yeah. The Angarans are obviously both weakened but also without the particular strengths to fix their problems (but this ties into the idea of them being a 'ghost' people to their true past). The Kett might indeed have been a big problem if they were in the Milky Way, but nothing so far strikes us as *more* threatening than conflicts before (Krogan, Rachni).
But the commonality is that these civilizations *did not have the guidance of the mass relays and the Citadel*. If they, in some form, had biotics, in some form, they did not go down the technological line to encourage it. They didn't develop their transportation to both consider and model off of any knowledge of the mass relays and eezo technologies. They basically didn't have that 'easier' line to becoming advanced civilizations. This is bad in that it means anything coming out of the MW was going to be more unified and 'established' (as long as it was able to escape/leave the MW; the Reapers try to avoid this from happening I think), but good in that it means they figure things out *on their own*.
The Kett? Maybe they'll make AI eventually (and as we see, at least once can be fascinated by its potential), but they're presently obsessed with something else, even to the point of being biologically driven to continue to obsess over it. The Angarans? Maybe, if they are Jaardan 'ghosts', the Jaardan did make AI, and did get 'wiped out' but it, but in some more willing way than expected. (Again, the technopath, potentially 'post human' concept.)
Again, they figure it out on their own. No control system of Reapers tracking a guided process.
Basically, they don't have walkthroughs to evolution. Give them a break, especially since their own, probably more unique takes to evolution, may have their own potentials to one day surpass anything MW, including Reapers. (As long as they survive; and I'd wager that deaths of civilizations in Andromeda are actually on average more *frequent* than MW's 'safety' between harvests. Except for the 'winner' civs.)
And of course, we have to consider how we could be 'tainting' their processes. We bring: AI that 'works' (so far), mass effect technology, relatively cooperative civilizations. We should consider how this could add a little bit to other civilizations to the point of surprising us with how much they run with it and start running us over with it.
Archon himself was close..
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 7, 2017 8:09:44 GMT
The Milky Way races seem more technically advanced, but the Kett and Jaardan are more biologically advanced. I think it's an interesting dichotemy. Yea and I think the idea is that if they are more 'biologically advanced' (in varied ways)... how might that interact with our technological advancements (that continue to also grow)? 'We' may be 'more ready' for the tech we use, in more 'moderate' ways, but the Andromedans? Even a convo with Jaal, nice guy he is, starting giving me shudders, how quickly he lept to certain possibilities. And imagine Kett deciding to incorporate the synthetic understandings the MW has. We consider them Collectors redux, but I don't think we've actually seen the Kett as Collector redux and I don't think the MW people would ever like to be part of that, as I imagine they'd be far more powerful than anything Collector (which always had that element of being a kept-down 'slave race' by a psycho Reaper).
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 7, 2017 8:34:59 GMT
Also, think about it this way. In the Milky-way, we basically built our tech off of the reapers. We really didn't invent or create a lot of the tech we use since it's origins is all advanced reaper tech. The Angarans didn't have that help. Perhaps, they copied some of the remnant tech to help boost their technology process, but I have a feeling a lot of it is self creation making them smarter then people from the MW since MW cheated with reaper tech. Again people are forgetting something. Or simply didn't finish the game. Angarans literally used Remnant ships and were more bent on using Rem-tech in general. They didn't copy some remnant tech, they knew it. As for MW, they didn't have Reaper tech, they had Reaper "certified" tech. Actual Reaper stuff was on another level and seems even more advanced than Rem-tech (at least combat-wise), but MW species barely got their hands on it only in ME2-ME3.
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Post by peabuddie on Apr 7, 2017 8:41:15 GMT
what do you think? Most planets in their cluster are underdeveloped shitholes. It wilderness most places you visit. Everyone back home is more advanced. Batarian Hegemony enslaves Angara easy. The latter would want it over being bioengineered into Kett thralls. Turian Hierarchy's 26th Armiger Legion > Angara N7 > Angara Aralakh Company > Angara Salarian STG > Angara Asari Commando > Angara Leviathan > Jaardan The Reaps > Remnant Prothean Empire > Kett Empire The planets are screwed up because of the Scourge. The Scourge pretty much wiped out Angara civilization. As the AI on Voeld indicates they were once very advanced. Obviously the scourge set them back hundreds maybe thousands of years. Since then they have been in an ongoing war with the KETT. Kinda hard to build when your in constant war.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 7, 2017 18:56:59 GMT
Actually according to BW #AsariMasterRace can defeat anything or anyone. They'll spread everywhere until everyone else figures out their conspiracy and tries to stop them.
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