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Post by tbr1 on Apr 7, 2017 1:22:18 GMT
I am curious but who do you think would win? both sides have evil fugly science experiments, but kett are not immune/resistant to indoctrination are they?
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 7, 2017 1:25:12 GMT
Indoctrination is only really necessary if the reapers want to use other life forms to meet their own ends. If the reapers actually went after the kett and it turned out that they were simply immune to indoctrination, the reapers would simply eradicate them or harvest them if they felt they were worth archiving.
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Post by tbr1 on Apr 7, 2017 1:28:42 GMT
nothing is for sure until BW says Kett are indeed immune to indoctrination until then it's anyone's guess?
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 7, 2017 1:33:08 GMT
nothing is for sure until BW says Kett are indeed immune to indoctrination until then it's anyone's guess? I've yet to find immunization to a laser beam to the face or being stepped on by a 30 story Cthulhu space monster
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 7, 2017 1:38:36 GMT
Nothing in Andromeda stands up to much from the milky way. Except Asari commandos, they can deflect fire from Kett cruisers with their biotics.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 7, 2017 1:39:14 GMT
Are you kidding me? The Turians alone could wipe the floor with the Kett.
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Post by Adhin on Apr 7, 2017 1:39:48 GMT
I'm pretty confident Kett wouldn't win against the Milky Way forces in general. I mean anyone could write a story that results in them being a hefty force that feels unstoppable. But based off what we saw in MEA (even considering that wasn't there 'main force') ... yeah.
Then again they got the upper hand in MEA via first contact trickery. Not sure how well that would play out back home. But Reapers? Yeah no, Kett understanding of mechanical technology is pretty limited. They're so absurdly advanced in bio-engineering they've sacrificed advancement in all other areas for their Space-Nazi ideals. They'd get screwed pretty heavily.
Kinda curious how the shit they reproduce with out having any... way to do that naturally. Probably some kinda lab cloning or something. Then again the Archon had a non-existent hard on for Meridian so. So maybe they don't have that reliably as they want and have to keep capturing other species to grow there current numbers effectively? I dunno. Shits weird either way.
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Post by derrame on Apr 7, 2017 1:40:43 GMT
the Reapers would harvest the Kett and the kett would not even notice it,
*Harbinger assumes control of a collector*
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Post by doch on Apr 7, 2017 1:42:48 GMT
Better poll would be Collectors vs Kett. My money would be on the Collectors.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 1:44:20 GMT
The Reapers.
The Kett don't have a technological edge over the Milky Way colonists, they just have a numbers advantage, and the Milky Way was technologically outclassed by the Reapers.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 7, 2017 1:51:13 GMT
Better poll would be Collectors vs Kett. My money would be on the Collectors. Only advantage the Kett would have is numbers. The collectors troop composition is much deadlier. Seeker swarms, abominations, scions, praetorians, collector captains, they are a nasty force to tangle with. And that isn't even when Lord Harbinger is posessing them.
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Post by NUM13ER on Apr 7, 2017 1:54:41 GMT
Shouldn't we be putting the Kett up against something on their threat level? Like a single crew of Blue Sun mercs or the Shifty Looking Cow? I'm being hyperbolic of course but honestly they aren't exactly compelling as antagonists.
That speech with Sovereign on Virimire ("You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it") is one of the greatest moments in gaming history IMO. It's also better than all the dialogue in Andromeda.
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Post by snook on Apr 7, 2017 1:57:15 GMT
I feel like the Kett felt like a threat at all mainly because of the numbers the Andromeda Initiative came in.
If roles were reversed and the Kett showed up in the Milky Way around the time of ME1? lol.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 7, 2017 1:57:18 GMT
Shouldn't we be putting the Kett up against something on their threat level. Like a single crew of Blue Sun mercs or the Shifty Looking Cow? I'm being hyperbolic but honestly they aren't exactly compelling as antagonists. I mean that speech with Sovereign on Virmire is one of the greatest moments in gaming ever. Zaeed as antagonist please
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Post by NUM13ER on Apr 7, 2017 2:02:20 GMT
Shouldn't we be putting the Kett up against something on their threat level. Like a single crew of Blue Sun mercs or the Shifty Looking Cow? I'm being hyperbolic but honestly they aren't exactly compelling as antagonists. I mean that speech with Sovereign on Virmire is one of the greatest moments in gaming ever. Zaeed as antagonist please There's an optional ending where you can bribe his men to kill him for you...
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 7, 2017 2:10:11 GMT
The Reapers. The Kett don't have a technological edge over the Milky Way colonists, they just have a numbers advantage, and the Milky Way was technologically outclassed by the Reapers. These primitive creatures dont even have a biological edge over many MW species. The Archon with his so called genetic inheritance of a 1000 species havent even evolved biotics yet. They will however be safe from the Reapers though, the Reapers only harvest advance life forms that could potentially create AI.
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Post by bakgrind on Apr 7, 2017 2:12:10 GMT
Shouldn't we be putting the Kett up against something on their threat level? Like a single crew of Blue Sun mercs or the Shifty Looking Cow? I'm being hyperbolic of course but honestly they aren't exactly compelling as antagonists. That speech with Sovereign on Virimire ( "You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it") is one of the greatest moments in gaming history IMO. It's also better than all the dialogue in Andromeda. Well it was one very powerful line and held it's own until ME3 and then you learn that they were just tools of their puppet master. Then the wind kind of gets taken out of that sail.
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Post by NUM13ER on Apr 7, 2017 2:16:23 GMT
Shouldn't we be putting the Kett up against something on their threat level? Like a single crew of Blue Sun mercs or the Shifty Looking Cow? I'm being hyperbolic of course but honestly they aren't exactly compelling as antagonists. That speech with Sovereign on Virimire ( "You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it") is one of the greatest moments in gaming history IMO. It's also better than all the dialogue in Andromeda. Well it was one very powerful line and held it's own until ME3 and then you learn that they were just tools of their puppet master. Then the wind kind of gets taken out of that sail. True but we're comparing this game to the things we liked as opposed to the much maligned conclusion. Better an enemy started strong and fade than not make any impact at all.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 7, 2017 2:23:11 GMT
I am hoping DLC adds more variety to Kett troop types. ME 3 might have only had three factions but those factions threw a lot troop variety at you.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 7, 2017 2:58:42 GMT
Harbinger, ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL, would wipe them out by himself using his beams of doom.
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Post by laughingbanana on Apr 7, 2017 3:07:20 GMT
Lol. Even the Alliance alone most probably can handle the Kett single-handedly. Not to mention the Turians, which is what, three or five times more powerful military strength-wise compared to the Alliance? Heck, I'd bet even the Quarians can handle them as well, with them having the largest fleet in the Milky Way.
What makes you think that The Reapers, something that even the combined unified efforts of all of them can't beat, and can only be beaten basically by space magic created by successive efforts of various extinct races spanning across millions of years, would have *any* sort of difficulty whatsoever in dealing with the Kett?
Reapers would LOL at the Kett and wiped the Kett's carcasses on their butts all the while drinking coffee, playing chess, and voting on which next species they would assimilate.
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Post by doch on Apr 7, 2017 3:16:30 GMT
Shouldn't we be putting the Kett up against something on their threat level? Like a single crew of Blue Sun mercs or the Shifty Looking Cow? I'm being hyperbolic of course but honestly they aren't exactly compelling as antagonists. That speech with Sovereign on Virimire ( "You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it") is one of the greatest moments in gaming history IMO. It's also better than all the dialogue in Andromeda. Well it was one very powerful line and held it's own until ME3 and then you learn that they were just tools of their puppet master. Then the wind kind of gets taken out of that sail. Yep, and that "little" revelation took a gigantic Mass Effect crap on the entire premise of the series.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 3:24:57 GMT
As it stands, the Reapers.
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Post by Atila on Apr 7, 2017 3:34:03 GMT
I am curious but who do you think would win? both sides have evil fugly science experiments, but kett are not immune/resistant to indoctrination are they? Comparing the kett to the Reapers are a joke. If you want to compare villains, compare the Reapers to whatever created the scourge.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 7, 2017 19:38:37 GMT
Normally I'd say Reapers. Even if considering the Kett may be wide across much of the galaxy. The Kett are the 'existing empire'. That doesn't have to be too much, even if it can be involved in future stories in interesting ways. The Kett adopt desirable traits from exalted species, but we don't have the confidence they even have the desire to adopt traits that would help them against potential dangers - they could even be engineering themselves in a hurtful manner without realizing it. You know, the whole eugenics trap? I think the Kett, as I understand them so far (most story complete, reading everything I can, 50% content complete) could stand a chance if: -The fight was in Andromeda (no Reaper ambush, mass relays) -The Reapers had to at least somewhat spread out (they did in ME3 but I'm saying even more) -The Kett had something of them that could take on synthetic technologies and spread it wide across their people in surprising ways (like a Super Collector People finding a way to stave off Reaper control by becoming Indoctrination-resistant through their biological side) - The thing about the Kett is that they're probably less of a current threat than MEA's plot presents (and its only the weakened state of Heleus/Initiative/Angarans that makes them so dangerous), but they're possibly more of a future threat depending on what they actually decide to do. Their lower rungs may have even less say than a regular grunt in more normal armies, but their upper rungs may have enough sense to see what their enemies are doing and adapt to them amazingly. Andromedans don't seem to find AI unknown - just the Angarans have their mystery about it, and the Kett seem to think that they don't require it (yet). But now they might, and the combination of it and Kett physiology could produce a much better and even diverse and unpredictable (once you figure the Reapers out, their method, while maybe terrifying, is expected) danger. The Archon was a particular crazypants that went off the reserve, but 1)He proves that Kett have a degree of individuality as opposed to the chaining to a process that Husks/Reapers and even their 'master' arguably had. 2)His defeat shows as an example to Kett audience that the Milky Way's ways, and the Remnant technology, are both more of something to study and adopt than ever considered before.
I think the Kett, while seemingly more primitive in many ways, and frankly boringgggg, at least have potential to adapt to anything in their way because they have a mysterious and chemical religious conviction that they must change *themselves*. I haven't seen any species like this. Even synthetic sorts don't really go there, even through the code rewrite process is something they're much more comfortable with if it is deemed necessary, but only if deemed necessary. The Kett, however, could become a huge army of fanatics that will do anything and BECOME anything to crush the Heleus Cluster (and for all we know, the Milky Way). We only got the blunt preview with the Krogan, and its pretty clear to me that it makes particularly strong soldiers with more self-preservation cares than husks would have over a shorter term harvest process. What about the Salarians? Asari (considering Reapers themselves made the fearsome banshees)? Quarians? Turians? Humans? It isn't just in battlefield, but in terms of spreading many of their understandings and skills to all Kett, albeit in a possibly dumbed down way to fit their utility-based culture.
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