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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 10, 2017 14:41:32 GMT
Other than being frightening to talk to, what is this things deal?
Is it genuinely crazy or is it just trying to manipulate you again?
Is it pretending to have emotions or is it something else entirely?
Why is it suffering from some sort of reverse AI trope syndrome were its not worried youll kill it all but in fact wants you to?
When SAM says dangerously unstable how does that apply to an AI?
*Swirls Ryncol*
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 10, 2017 15:06:48 GMT
She's been by herself, encased in what is essentially an ice fortress for hundreds of years.
The first people she had any contact with (arguably) were the Kett (not really but she could probably 'feel' and sense them in the city and they wanted to take her apart), then she meets you, another strange alien and she has no ideas what your motives are. She's scared and confused and probably lonely.
Also she might've just been bat shit crazy from the get go. Would explain how the ice city become abandoned and 'lost'.
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Post by vyndral on Apr 10, 2017 16:02:44 GMT
It was pretty much acting like a woman.... crazy!
Come on, that was funny!!!
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 10, 2017 16:06:10 GMT
ha. ha. ha.
bite me.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 10, 2017 16:10:55 GMT
Alright, we've had a laugh, now let's get back to topic please.
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Post by vyndral on Apr 10, 2017 16:20:31 GMT
Sorry I have poor impulse control. More on topic. I do think it is sort of an interesting idea. I mean we have AI that do crazy things, the Reapers, but their logic it makes sense. So when it is explained you can follow the logic. It is interesting to have an AI that seems to have no real logical goal or motivating force. On one hand it wants to die. Yet on the other it is protecting itself from the Kett who want to kill it. I suppose maybe it does have something logical it is aiming at and we just don't know what it is. And unlike most the AI we run into, it is more then willing to lie about anything. Reminds of a certain murder bot in another BW game.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 11, 2017 1:23:12 GMT
She's been by herself, encased in what is essentially an ice fortress for hundreds of years. The first people she had any contact with (arguably) were the Kett (not really but she could probably 'feel' and sense them in the city and they wanted to take her apart), then she meets you, another strange alien and she has no ideas what your motives are. She's scared and confused and probably lonely. Also she might've just been bat shit crazy from the get go. Would explain how the ice city become abandoned and 'lost'. So shes Elsa from frozen?
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 11, 2017 1:24:46 GMT
Sorry I have poor impulse control. More on topic. I do think it is sort of an interesting idea. I mean we have AI that do crazy things, the Reapers, but their logic it makes sense. So when it is explained you can follow the logic. It is interesting to have an AI that seems to have no real logical goal or motivating force. On one hand it wants to die. Yet on the other it is protecting itself from the Kett who want to kill it. I suppose maybe it does have something logical it is aiming at and we just don't know what it is. And unlike most the AI we run into, it is more then willing to lie about anything. Reminds of a certain murder bot in another BW game. Why does thing act like a person ibside of a machine and why she in love with sam? It creeps me out in ways I fidnt think thus gane actually could
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Post by Warrior DM on Apr 11, 2017 6:21:19 GMT
If it were an option, I would throw the AI out of an airlock.
Seriously, this was the first time in Mass Effect where I would agree with Javik's logic. It really is just an insane machine that can't be trusted.
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Post by vyndral on Apr 11, 2017 6:28:19 GMT
If it were an option, I would throw the AI out of an airlock. Seriously, this was the first time in Mass Effect where I would agree with Javik's logic. It really is just an insane machine that can't be trusted. Isn't there an option to kill it? Or does that option not actually kill it?
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Post by Warrior DM on Apr 11, 2017 6:31:13 GMT
If it were an option, I would throw the AI out of an airlock. Seriously, this was the first time in Mass Effect where I would agree with Javik's logic. It really is just an insane machine that can't be trusted. Isn't there an option to kill it? Or does that option not actually kill it? Ryder can kill the AI on Voeld. I just would have liked the ability to destroy it on the Nexus.
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Post by vyndral on Apr 11, 2017 6:34:06 GMT
Isn't there an option to kill it? Or does that option not actually kill it? Ryder can kill the AI on Voeld. I just would have liked the ability to destroy it on the Nexus. Ah rats. You got my hopes up for a second. Without the option to destroy it, the AI might have been meaningful to the plot at some point.
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Post by Warrior DM on Apr 11, 2017 6:45:52 GMT
Ryder can kill the AI on Voeld. I just would have liked the ability to destroy it on the Nexus. Ah rats. You got my hopes up for a second. Without the option to destroy it, the AI might have been meaningful to the plot at some point. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the AI eventually melted down and tried to kill a bunch of people. (Although it was pretty funny in a dark way, admittedly.) I would say the consequences of the decision are up in the air, as much as any side mission could be anyway.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 11, 2017 12:28:51 GMT
I kept her alive hoping I could romance her later.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 13:37:10 GMT
That weird old Dalek-AI .... I gave it to the angara. There's just no way she's coming on the Nexus with SAM! My first instinct was to shoot her but I felt like I was missing something for the plot so I reloaded my save .... Wait and see.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 11, 2017 13:43:37 GMT
That weird old Dalek-AI .... I gave it to the angara. There's just no way she's coming on the Nexus with SAM! My first instinct was to shoot her but I felt like I was missing something for the plot so I reloaded my save .... Wait and see. Hello you. Yeah I wanted to kill it. Jaal get mad again but I want to see what happens with it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 13:52:34 GMT
That weird old Dalek-AI .... I gave it to the angara. There's just no way she's coming on the Nexus with SAM! My first instinct was to shoot her but I felt like I was missing something for the plot so I reloaded my save .... Wait and see. Hello you. Yeah I wanted to kill it. Jaal get mad again but I want to see what happens with it. Hi Krogan buddy Same here, after shooting her I was like "oh wait, I'm sure I'm missing something... damn.... sorry angara-boy, you'll die..." => I felt terrible for him tbh ...
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Post by vyndral on Apr 11, 2017 13:58:00 GMT
Hello you. Yeah I wanted to kill it. Jaal get mad again but I want to see what happens with it. Hi Krogan buddy Same here, after shooting her I was like "oh wait, I'm sure I'm missing something... damn.... sorry angara-boy, you'll die..." => I felt terrible for him tbh ... I thought the same thing but really she cant be that big of a deal. First off she is in a side quest. Some people will never even see her. Second you have the option to kill her. They arent going to spend a whole lot of time developing content for a character people may have never seen, or might be dead. At most in the future perhaps you will get a side quest based on what you did. But more then likely you will get mail from her taunting you when she escapes and that is the last we will see of her.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 11, 2017 14:40:43 GMT
Hi Krogan buddy Same here, after shooting her I was like "oh wait, I'm sure I'm missing something... damn.... sorry angara-boy, you'll die..." => I felt terrible for him tbh ... I thought the same thing but really she cant be that big of a deal. First off she is in a side quest. Some people will never even see her. Second you have the option to kill her. They arent going to spend a whole lot of time developing content for a character people may have never seen, or might be dead. At most in the future perhaps you will get a side quest based on what you did. But more then likely you will get mail from her taunting you when she escapes and that is the last we will see of her. Mac Walters already tweeted theres more to come with that. So it might have a small knock on effect. I dread to think what that might be given its attitude towardd wiping out the Angara and cluster wide domination.
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Post by vyndral on Apr 11, 2017 14:56:08 GMT
I thought the same thing but really she cant be that big of a deal. First off she is in a side quest. Some people will never even see her. Second you have the option to kill her. They arent going to spend a whole lot of time developing content for a character people may have never seen, or might be dead. At most in the future perhaps you will get a side quest based on what you did. But more then likely you will get mail from her taunting you when she escapes and that is the last we will see of her. Mac Walters already tweeted theres more to come with that. So it might have a small knock on effect. I dread to think what that might be given its attitude towardd wiping out the Angara and cluster wide domination. Well then hopefully they prove me wrong. Ive always enjoyed crazy robots.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 12:21:48 GMT
Gah!
Now its talking about venting the Nexus and killing everyone on board and asking what circumstances that event could be justified.
And it wants to make secret deals with SAM allowing her access to Ryders implant as well.
*Stresses Ryncol*
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Post by gplayer on Apr 17, 2017 12:52:40 GMT
I let it live. Its a unique AI while that Angara dude was labeled in the dialogue "Prisoner" - a red shirt if I ever saw one. I have no idea why he thought it was ok to approach the female version of HAL. But once she killed him there was no way I was going to bring her to SAM.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 17, 2017 13:36:43 GMT
I let it live, but gave it to the Angara. #1, I didn't trust the thing on the Nexus, after Sam told me it was lying, #2, that Anagaran got himself killed by pulling a dumb, and messing with an AI who was being threatening, and I figured the closest thing to "prison" for it was being given to the group it didn't want to be given to. So, I didn't have too many issues with it after that It was in the Resistance base afterwards, I don't think I talked to it again after that mission.
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Post by Petroshenko on Apr 17, 2017 13:44:31 GMT
It's the original-Catalyst situation all over again. Sorry but in this case it's like they literally learnt nothing from ME3 ending fiasco. Once again a new character (AI) is introduced at the end of an arc with little to no context, exposition or explanation and instantly having the player make a major choice almost in vacuum. It's hard to even discuss or debate this AI's character because the entire interaction takes 2 mins max and it's impossible to tell what her character, agenda, motivations are one way or the other.
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Post by Exile Isan on Apr 17, 2017 16:34:50 GMT
I shot that thing without hesitation. I mean it lies to you twice and tries to kill someone within a span of like 2 minutes. And from what I've heard about it from people who sent it to the Hyperion I'm thinking I made the right choice.
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