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Doesn't BW have a huge boner for the asari?
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Post by solaxe on Apr 11, 2017 19:09:51 GMT
Remember that humanity's economy is smaller than Elcors' according to the codex
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Post by xMissWoox on Apr 11, 2017 19:14:15 GMT
Well, humanity pretty much bagsied Meridian when we crash landed the Hyperion on it...
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 11, 2017 19:16:04 GMT
In ME1, we already know that humanity is special by a) getting an embassy faster than other races, getting a Spectre when most races don't and c) getting a seat on the Council after a mere 30 years. Any complaints at this point are just silly. It's clear BioWare sees humanity as most important. And while I don't agree, I do prefer to play and romance humans. If I go back to the first book, Mass Effect: Revelation, it's told largely from human perspective and entirely from human interest. Now to Nexus Uprising, and it's mostly centered around a human. Face it, BioWare (at least where ME games are concerned) wants its focus on the future of humanity. The aliens are just there as plot elements and seeing how humans fit into it all.
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Post by canuckgamer on Apr 11, 2017 20:13:44 GMT
I can see a device in future games for you to play as something other than a human. Especially if the next game jumps ahead 100 years, but for me I have no issue with this. Playing from the human perspective makes sense, and creates a connection that makes sense.
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Post by jeyl on Apr 11, 2017 20:18:39 GMT
It's the Asari who are the super special beings in the ME verse. Immortal, beautiful forever, smart, clever, powerful biotics, beautiful planet, ont he council, everyone falls in love with them and want them. Even the Protheans were grooming them. Ah, yes. The Thessia mission. The saddest chapter in Mass Effect's history. Ever since the first game I can remember how much I thought the Asari race was awesome. An all-female race of aliens who were able to become one of the most prominent leaders of the Citadel races? That's my kind of forward thinking. Not even Star Trek, Star Wars or even Doctor Who approached those levels, let alone other works of science fiction. But that respect was sadly not to be by the time Mass Effect 3 came around where BioWare took the Asari and turned them into galactic frauds. For starters, Jaavik states that the Asari could not have survived on their own as a species since thanks to an asteroid collision and a group of alien pillagers. And their whole race being able to use biotics? Genetic tampering. What about their curiosity of the stars? Had to be taught to them by the Protheans. What about their advancements in space faring technology? They stole it from left over Prothean tech. And how do we react to this news? Why, by playing the blame and shame game of course. "Your species was deemed to have potential. A pity you didn't live up to it." "Your people are hoarding the knowledge of my race for their own gain." "Well if it is true, the Asari should have shared this knowledge. We might not have been in this mess if they had." "This confirms the Asari owe your superiority to my people."Or how about some slut shaming right after their world fell to the Reapers?? "Guess the Asari are wishing they had fewer dancers and more commanders right about now. Too soon?"Or what about Ryder's comments when you select "I expected more from the Asari" "So much for centuries of wisdom and experience, huh?"Quite the indignity, especially when the game portrays Cora as someone who is better at knowing the ways of the Asari than the Asari themselves. I think somewhere down the line, BioWare started to hate the Asari and worked on ways of discrediting their whole entire race through these character moments and historical revelations. It's kind of like character assassination, but to a whole race.
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Post by Rochrok on Apr 11, 2017 21:41:38 GMT
It's the Asari who are the super special beings in the ME verse. Immortal, beautiful forever, smart, clever, powerful biotics, beautiful planet, ont he council, everyone falls in love with them and want them. Even the Protheans were grooming them. Ah, yes. The Thessia mission. The saddest chapter in Mass Effect's history. Ever since the first game I can remember how much I thought the Asari race was awesome. An all-female race of aliens who were able to become one of the most prominent leaders of the Citadel races? That's my kind of forward thinking. Not even Star Trek, Star Wars or even Doctor Who approached those levels, let alone other works of science fiction. But that respect was sadly not to be by the time Mass Effect 3 came around where BioWare took the Asari and turned them into galactic frauds. For starters, Jaavik states that the Asari could not have survived on their own as a species since thanks to an asteroid collision and a group of alien pillagers. And their whole race being able to use biotics? Genetic tampering. What about their curiosity of the stars? Had to be taught to them by the Protheans. What about their advancements in space faring technology? They stole it from left over Prothean tech. And how do we react to this news? Why, by playing the blame and shame game of course. "Your species was deemed to have potential. A pity you didn't live up to it." "Your people are hoarding the knowledge of my race for their own gain." "Well if it is true, the Asari should have shared this knowledge. We might not have been in this mess if they had." "This confirms the Asari owe your superiority to my people."Or how about some slut shaming right after their world fell to the Reapers?? "Guess the Asari are wishing they had fewer dancers and more commanders right about now. Too soon?"Or what about Ryder's comments when you select "I expected more from the Asari" "So much for centuries of wisdom and experience, huh?"Quite the indignity, especially when the game portrays Cora as someone who is better at knowing the ways of the Asari than the Asari themselves. I think somewhere down the line, BioWare started to hate the Asari and worked on ways of discrediting their whole entire race through these character moments and historical revelations. It's kind of like character assassination, but to a whole race. I actually enjoyed the Asari being taken down a few pegs in ME3. Because no one has that level of dominance over anything without some help and some dirty dealing. The same can be said of the Protheans. During the mission to get Javik when Liara is talking up the Protheans, Shepard can mention how no group becomes as powerful as the Protheans by sharing and being benevolent. Which turned out to be true. Renegade Shepard also has a different response to the Asari hiding the beacons on Thessia. "I don't blame them for hiding this, who knows what would have happened if this ended up in the wrong hands." So you do have the option to support this. Also Javik mentions how they (Protheans) got their tech from the race that came before them and considering the fact that the other races were their slaves, they got to where they were by hording that knowledge, too. Javik also mentions that they were watching a lot of the "lesser" races. Which is true considering his knowledge of the "primitive" races and what they were doing during his time period. They were watching for the group that had the most potential. The ones who showed it were the Asari, which is why they began grooming them. In MEA. Cora looks up to the Asari to a weebo degree but Lexi is quick to say that age doesn't come with having all the answers. Which I think is more realistic. But the Asasri are still the special ones in the universe no matter what. Even Shepard auto explodes over the fall of Thessia.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 11, 2017 21:55:44 GMT
Doesn't bother me. The question is why you try to make this an Bioware exclusive problem. Star Trek has Jean-Luc Picard... is he a human... I can't remember! Beleive me, Star Trek has a boat load of problems when it deals with that Trope and Picard is strangely the one who emphasizes it. Ever watch the episode "Hide and Q" from The Next Generation's first season? This is an actual quote from Picard when he's arguing with Q. Always wondered if Picard would openly say that to his non-human crew. That said, if you talk to Keri after the game she asks you about Meridian being the new home for humanity and you can explicitly state that it's not, it's not just for humanity it's for everyone. It just happens to be that theres only humanity there at the moment because of the Archon. I believe this was the actual exchange between Ryder and Keri. Both options clearly indicate that Maridian is the new home world to Humanity while the other option simply says that other species can come by and visit. Even the ship's description says it's pretty much humanity's home. ANALYSIS:A hollow sphere protecting a controlled and malleable environment, Meridian is a technological marvel. Hub for the vault network, and home to the growing center of human settlement in Heleus. The only safe world in Andromeda, all the technology to reshape worlds and Humanity is the only one who gets it all. But it's not all bad for other alien races. They can come and visit if they want to. I for one hope they take the time to visit the original Pathfinders quarters during their stay where they can see the arsenal that Alec used to kill other aliens with. So you're saying Cerberus Was Right? Or is Bioware? You can't kill an idea! Heil Harper!
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 11, 2017 21:58:45 GMT
Mass effect has never had a "Humanity is special" trope. Mordin talks about human diversity but that's about it. It's the Asari who are the super special beings in the ME verse. Immortal, beautiful forever, smart, clever, powerful biotics, beautiful planet, ont he council, everyone falls in love with them and want them. Even the Protheans were grooming them. So I don't mind the humanity first elements of the story. Why not? The PC is human. And I wouldn't want to play the game grovelling to a bunch of aliens. The asari are parasites attaching themselves to any true greatness.
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Post by vyndral on Apr 12, 2017 1:30:03 GMT
Mass effect has never had a "Humanity is special" trope. Mordin talks about human diversity but that's about it. It's the Asari who are the super special beings in the ME verse. Immortal, beautiful forever, smart, clever, powerful biotics, beautiful planet, ont he council, everyone falls in love with them and want them. Even the Protheans were grooming them. So I don't mind the humanity first elements of the story. Why not? The PC is human. And I wouldn't want to play the game grovelling to a bunch of aliens. The asari are parasites attaching themselves to any true greatness. Well you know that old saying. Behind any great person is a hot, blue, pole dancer.
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Post by armass81 on Apr 12, 2017 1:48:03 GMT
I don't think it by default makes anything bad to follow this trope but it's nice when it's subverted. Guild Wars 2 turns it on its head: humanity is not the center of the universe. The dominant factions of the Charr, which were primarily primitive shamanistic antagonists in the first game, rebelled and focused on technological advancement rather than magic. It was the Charr, not humans, that invented the printing press in Guild Wars 2, and pretty much all mechanical technology is based on or an inferior implementation of Charr technology. For that matter the Asura, which would fit the Gnome trope, are experts on the arcane but officially their understanding of physical technology is inferior to the Charr (a couple hundred years inferior if NPC banter is to be believed). There are more races/factions than that in the lore but the point is humanity isn't at the center of advancement and has actually declined since the first game, sandwiched between a bunch of different nations. Really they snubbed tropes on purpose making that game, for example the hive mind-like race are rodents rather than insects, etc. That's not to say the lore of that game isn't filled with some clichés too of course. I wonder how many other examples there are of humans not being the center of the universe in fiction/games. I remember my brother claiming they couldn't make a Babylon 5 prequel because humans weren't in space and supposedly audiences can only relate to humans, a view point which really embraces the worst of sectarian tendencies of humanity in my opinion. I'm not saying I think they should move in such a direction for Mass Effect (I especially would not want single player development to be axed to focus on an MMORPG), but I agree it can be interesting. Star Control 2 made humanity right, we werent anything special in that game, we were just another race that got put under the slave shield by the ur-quan species which seemed to be the dominant force in Milky Way. Our strenght came in us being lucky, for example the player character was from a secret colony that wasnt discovered by the ur-quan and that he went uniting the various factions around his homespace , but without their help we wouldnt have had a chance. You should really play or watch that game, the story is excellent and it has really alien aliens in it and theyre all very different and well constructed. Even the "supposedly real aliens", the greys make an appearance. The tone is somewhat more humorous than in ME, but when there are dark parts, theyr are dark and done very well, for instance the villains. The kett, or even the reapers in my opinion dont even come close with the ur-quan. Imagine a presence and voice that is like that of Sovereigns, but for an entire race of huge alien caterpillars, except that unlike the reapers, they are explained well and arent ruined.
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Post by armass81 on Apr 12, 2017 1:56:36 GMT
It's the Asari who are the super special beings in the ME verse. Immortal, beautiful forever, smart, clever, powerful biotics, beautiful planet, ont he council, everyone falls in love with them and want them. Even the Protheans were grooming them. Ah, yes. The Thessia mission. The saddest chapter in Mass Effect's history. Ever since the first game I can remember how much I thought the Asari race was awesome. An all-female race of aliens who were able to become one of the most prominent leaders of the Citadel races? That's my kind of forward thinking. Not even Star Trek, Star Wars or even Doctor Who approached those levels, let alone other works of science fiction. But that respect was sadly not to be by the time Mass Effect 3 came around where BioWare took the Asari and turned them into galactic frauds. For starters, Jaavik states that the Asari could not have survived on their own as a species since thanks to an asteroid collision and a group of alien pillagers. And their whole race being able to use biotics? Genetic tampering. What about their curiosity of the stars? Had to be taught to them by the Protheans. What about their advancements in space faring technology? They stole it from left over Prothean tech. And how do we react to this news? Why, by playing the blame and shame game of course. "Your species was deemed to have potential. A pity you didn't live up to it." "Your people are hoarding the knowledge of my race for their own gain." "Well if it is true, the Asari should have shared this knowledge. We might not have been in this mess if they had." "This confirms the Asari owe your superiority to my people."Or how about some slut shaming right after their world fell to the Reapers?? "Guess the Asari are wishing they had fewer dancers and more commanders right about now. Too soon?"Or what about Ryder's comments when you select "I expected more from the Asari" "So much for centuries of wisdom and experience, huh?"Quite the indignity, especially when the game portrays Cora as someone who is better at knowing the ways of the Asari than the Asari themselves. I think somewhere down the line, BioWare started to hate the Asari and worked on ways of discrediting their whole entire race through these character moments and historical revelations. It's kind of like character assassination, but to a whole race. On the contrary I liked when they were brought down, its just shows that theres more behind some races "power" than what appears, or what they deserve. They were becoming a mary sue race.
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Post by jeyl on Apr 12, 2017 22:54:31 GMT
On the contrary I liked when they were brought down, its just shows that theres more behind some races "power" than what appears, or what they deserve. They were becoming a mary sue race. Now that's a bit disingenuous. The Asari may have a lot going for them, but they were never depicted as a perfect race that could do no wrong. I mean, do these characters come off as Mary Sues to you? Nassana Dantius A manipulative business dealer who not only uses Shepard to kill her own sister, but also kills anyone who would seek to damage her reputation. Heck, by the time you're sent to find Thane, she sends out all the mechs to kill her own employees just for the heck of it. Nyxeris
Liara's secretary on Ilium who was serves as the Shadow Broker's agent who is ready to kill Liara on his command. HermiaA no good illegal schematics smuggler. Tela Vasir
The only known Asari Spectre who ALSO winds up being an agent of the Shadow Broker sent to kill Liara. Aria T'Loak
The Asari who rules the Omega Relay station by making it a personal hell for everyone who lives there. Matriarch Benezia
Despite her Matriach status and good intentions, she wasn't powerful enough to help Saren or stop Sovereign from indoctrinating her. That One Asari at the Eternity Bar
Freaking slave dealer!!!!!!!! ShialaAlso joins Saren's group but winds up being the host of the Thorian's clones and gets messed up biologically months later causing when her biotics go haywire and her skin turns green. That's terrible! Erinya
A deeply xenophobic Asari who gives the colony of Zhu's Hope a horrible contract and refuses to change it. She's so xenophobic that she refuses to help the colony even when a sickly Asari (The aforementioned Shiala) comes to her on their behalf. Enyala
Eclipse Mercenary who will murder anyone that's even the slightest inconvenience to her. Even calls out Miranda on her skimpy outfit. Elnora
A very violent Asari who takes great pride in murdering a Volus just to join a mercenary group. Really. She records her joy in killing the Volus on an audio log. MorinthAn Ardat-Yakshi who murders people to quell her addiction. To her credit, she'll actually pull a "Humans are Special" on Shepard in order to tempt them into joining with her. Shepard isn't that special. SamaraA delusional Justicar who's views are so absolute that she'll actually kill herself simply because a 'code' was inconvenienced when she chooses not to murder her daughter. And despite wanting to bring Justice to the universe, she will literally do nothing if she's a companion of yours when you confront Erinya's treatment of Zhu's Hope colonists. And this is a species that needs to be brought down even further? I don't get it. At this point, Mass Effect is spending more time talking about how bad the Asari than anything good that they've done for galactic civilization. Come on, let the elements that make the Mass Effect franchise unique have some love for a change.
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Post by LogicGunn on Apr 26, 2017 15:09:13 GMT
I think Scifi in general is a discussion of humanity in a new environment or context or challenge, so it's not so much a trope as it is a theme of the genre. That doesn't make them the centre of the universe, just the story teller. It's always interesting when a different approach is taken.
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Post by riotinducer on Apr 26, 2017 15:35:42 GMT
Honestly I feel like the "humanity is special" trope was downplayed a lot in andromeda vs the shepard trilogy. Sure we play as a human in the same universe and as such inherit a lot of the tropes but at the same time there really isn't a lot that makes humanity stand out overmuch in andromeda.
Humans are just the ones that happened to show up to the nexus and start fixing things first. Ryder's manipulation of remnant tech has nothing to do with being human, any pathfinder with a functional SAM connection could have done the same. The kett in their analysis of initiative species has relatively little to say about humans in contrast with the reapers/collectors that found humans to be the most interesting thing in the galaxy.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 26, 2017 16:52:54 GMT
Honestly I feel like the "humanity is special" trope was downplayed a lot in andromeda vs the shepard trilogy. Sure we play as a human in the same universe and as such inherit a lot of the tropes but at the same time there really isn't a lot that makes humanity stand out overmuch in andromeda. Humans are just the ones that happened to show up to the nexus and start fixing things first. Ryder's manipulation of remnant tech has nothing to do with being human, any pathfinder with a functional SAM connection could have done the same. The kett in their analysis of initiative species has relatively little to say about humans in contrast with the reapers/collectors that found humans to be the most interesting thing in the galaxy. Yeah, handled well for the most part - our superior is a salarian, military is run by a turian, an asari is chosen as ambassador on Aya. Most of major npcs are still humans of course, but it's way less noticeable than in OT. But everything changed when Meridian came. When I heard "humanity's home" for the first time I just assumed that's a bad phrasing for the fact Hyperion will have to skip Nexus distribution part and settle on Meridian right away. Then the game catches on me and makes sure everything is crystall clear. In post-story interview Keri literally says humanity "claimed" Meridian, because Hyperion crashed on it(???). Then she asks in submissive manner if other species will be allowed(!) to settle there. What. Was. That. ... I just hope they'll ditch this part completely, because it's awkward no matter how you look at it.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 26, 2017 21:23:52 GMT
On the contrary I liked when they were brought down, its just shows that theres more behind some races "power" than what appears, or what they deserve. They were becoming a mary sue race. Now that's a bit disingenuous. The Asari may have a lot going for them, but they were never depicted as a perfect race that could do no wrong. I mean, do these characters come off as Mary Sues to you? Nassana Dantius A manipulative business dealer who not only uses Shepard to kill her own sister, but also kills anyone who would seek to damage her reputation. Heck, by the time you're sent to find Thane, she sends out all the mechs to kill her own employees just for the heck of it. Nyxeris
Liara's secretary on Ilium who was serves as the Shadow Broker's agent who is ready to kill Liara on his command. HermiaA no good illegal schematics smuggler. Tela Vasir
The only known Asari Spectre who ALSO winds up being an agent of the Shadow Broker sent to kill Liara. Aria T'Loak
The Asari who rules the Omega Relay station by making it a personal hell for everyone who lives there. Matriarch Benezia
Despite her Matriach status and good intentions, she wasn't powerful enough to help Saren or stop Sovereign from indoctrinating her. That One Asari at the Eternity Bar
Freaking slave dealer!!!!!!!! ShialaAlso joins Saren's group but winds up being the host of the Thorian's clones and gets messed up biologically months later causing when her biotics go haywire and her skin turns green. That's terrible! Erinya
A deeply xenophobic Asari who gives the colony of Zhu's Hope a horrible contract and refuses to change it. She's so xenophobic that she refuses to help the colony even when a sickly Asari (The aforementioned Shiala) comes to her on their behalf. Enyala
Eclipse Mercenary who will murder anyone that's even the slightest inconvenience to her. Even calls out Miranda on her skimpy outfit. Elnora
A very violent Asari who takes great pride in murdering a Volus just to join a mercenary group. Really. She records her joy in killing the Volus on an audio log. MorinthAn Ardat-Yakshi who murders people to quell her addiction. To her credit, she'll actually pull a "Humans are Special" on Shepard in order to tempt them into joining with her. Shepard isn't that special. SamaraA delusional Justicar who's views are so absolute that she'll actually kill herself simply because a 'code' was inconvenienced when she chooses not to murder her daughter. And despite wanting to bring Justice to the universe, she will literally do nothing if she's a companion of yours when you confront Erinya's treatment of Zhu's Hope colonists. And this is a species that needs to be brought down even further? I don't get it. At this point, Mass Effect is spending more time talking about how bad the Asari than anything good that they've done for galactic civilization. Come on, let the elements that make the Mass Effect franchise unique have some love for a change. Great post! You forgot Alestia Iallis
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 26, 2017 21:31:59 GMT
Yeah, handled well for the most part - our superior is a salarian, military is run by a turian, an asari is chosen as ambassador on Aya. Most of major npcs are still humans of course, but it's way less noticeable than in OT. But everything changed when Meridian came. When I heard "humanity's home" for the first time I just assumed that's a bad phrasing for the fact Hyperion will have to skip Nexus distribution part and settle on Meridian right away. Then the game catches on me and makes sure everything is crystall clear. In post-story interview Keri literally says humanity "claimed" Meridian, because Hyperion crashed on it(???). Then she asks in submissive manner if other species will be allowed(!) to settle there. What. Was. That. ... I just hope they'll ditch this part completely, because it's awkward no matter how you look at it. To be fair, the golden world that was supposed to be home for humanity was Habitat 7. And while they are doing so terraforming on it, it won't be ready anytime soon. Humans have to end up somewhere and given that the Hyperion crash landed there it's a good spot. Admittedly, the turians have it just as bad since their world is a series of lifeless asteroids now but Meridian isn't any better for them than any other world that doesn't have dextro food. EDIT: But you're right about that last part. It's not a bunch of separate races who arrived. It was the Andromeda Initiative. They should all be able to settle on any world.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 26, 2017 21:37:45 GMT
I mean, this less a "Mass Effect" trope and more an "everything" trope. There's a reason why the majority of sci-fi/fantasy protagonists are human, regardless of how fantastical and unique the setting might be otherwise.
Seriously, check out the sci-fi section of your local bookstore and see how many protagonists are anything other than human. Hell, just for fun, see how many are anything other than white, straight men and women.
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Post by jeyl on Apr 27, 2017 0:32:47 GMT
I mean, this less a "Mass Effect" trope and more an "everything" trope. There's a reason why the majority of sci-fi/fantasy protagonists are human, regardless of how fantastical and unique the setting might be otherwise. Seriously, check out the sci-fi section of your local bookstore and see how many protagonists are anything other than human. Hell, just for fun, see how many are anything other than white, straight men and women. I don't think anyone would refute the necessity of using this trend to justify telling a complex story that involves aliens and other worldly technologies. It worked out really well for the original Mass Effect game, especially given the wealth of material it needed to establish. But how far are you really taking the series when the project leaders use this trend as both the primary story telling device and a selling point in the game's marketing? It just seems, I don't know, 'backwards'. Why go through all this trouble of creating alien races that have actual character to them but revert to the age old 'humanity is special' trope? I just don't feel comfortable in a story that puts humanity up on the top for no other reason than we think we deserve it, and SO MANY characters in Mass Effect feel that way. I'm going through some of my previous conversations with Tan and they mentioned that Alec Ryder would be concerned over the missing Arks. I almost did a spit take when I heard that after beating the game. Not only did Alec see the initiative as 'Humanity's Dream', he didn't give one single care about the well being of the Nexus or the other Arks when they finally arrived. And the game paints him as the awe inspiring hero we should look up to. It's pitiful.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 27, 2017 3:31:09 GMT
I mean, this less a "Mass Effect" trope and more an "everything" trope. There's a reason why the majority of sci-fi/fantasy protagonists are human, regardless of how fantastical and unique the setting might be otherwise. Seriously, check out the sci-fi section of your local bookstore and see how many protagonists are anything other than human. Hell, just for fun, see how many are anything other than white, straight men and women. I don't think anyone would refute the necessity of using this trend to justify telling a complex story that involves aliens and other worldly technologies. It worked out really well for the original Mass Effect game, especially given the wealth of material it needed to establish. But how far are you really taking the series when the project leaders use this trend as both the primary story telling device and a selling point in the game's marketing? It just seems, I don't know, 'backwards'. Why go through all this trouble of creating alien races that have actual character to them but revert to the age old 'humanity is special' trope? I just don't feel comfortable in a story that puts humanity up on the top for no other reason than we think we deserve it, and SO MANY characters in Mass Effect feel that way. I'm going through some of my previous conversations with Tan and they mentioned that Alec Ryder would be concerned over the missing Arks. I almost did a spit take when I heard that after beating the game. Not only did Alec see the initiative as 'Humanity's Dream', he didn't give one single care about the well being of the Nexus or the other Arks when they finally arrived. And the game paints him as the awe inspiring hero we should look up to. It's pitiful. Lol, I'm not defending BioWare. What I was essentially getting at is they lack imagination, and lean on their predecessors. XD
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 28, 2017 3:14:09 GMT
Honestly I feel like the "humanity is special" trope was downplayed a lot in andromeda vs the shepard trilogy. Sure we play as a human in the same universe and as such inherit a lot of the tropes but at the same time there really isn't a lot that makes humanity stand out overmuch in andromeda. Humans are just the ones that happened to show up to the nexus and start fixing things first. Ryder's manipulation of remnant tech has nothing to do with being human, any pathfinder with a functional SAM connection could have done the same. The kett in their analysis of initiative species has relatively little to say about humans in contrast with the reapers/collectors that found humans to be the most interesting thing in the galaxy. Yeah, handled well for the most part - our superior is a salarian, military is run by a turian, an asari is chosen as ambassador on Aya. Most of major npcs are still humans of course, but it's way less noticeable than in OT. But everything changed when Meridian came. When I heard "humanity's home" for the first time I just assumed that's a bad phrasing for the fact Hyperion will have to skip Nexus distribution part and settle on Meridian right away. Then the game catches on me and makes sure everything is crystall clear. In post-story interview Keri literally says humanity "claimed" Meridian, because Hyperion crashed on it(???). Then she asks in submissive manner if other species will be allowed(!) to settle there. What. Was. That. ... I just hope they'll ditch this part completely, because it's awkward no matter how you look at it. I think it will be a ME1 Council choice - sets some tone, but one way or another, its a place for all, even if at least incidentally more of a home of humanity due to Hyperion proximity and familiarity. It will be Earth 2, but Earth 2 will be a place of high interspecies politics and society. (GALACTIC FEDERATION) Nexus will still be the meeting ground of everyone on the most equal footing, and specific planets may be other X Planet 2s (like Elladen, New Tuchanka). EDIT: Almost all of this is the 'Nexus' people, save for stuff like an alienated Krogan on Elladen, is of the (Andromeda) Initiative organization. Everywhere is set to be multiracial and frankly, ha, much more 'Canadian'. Even if Meridian is more human populated and is their homeland, it is to showcase that a species homeland doesn't need to be only exclusively owned by them. If Ryder acts more like the Hyperion will make a bit for human ownership, that'll fail, and if Ryder acts like its for everyone, it'll be made clear that the (majority?) human population is a factor that matters. And Ryder-1, if it gets populated, sounds like it'll become more of a smaller, again multispecies, tribute side-colony for the sake of honoring earlier losses. But it was meant to be more the human world at first.
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Post by SwobyJ on Apr 28, 2017 3:23:41 GMT
I mean, this less a "Mass Effect" trope and more an "everything" trope. There's a reason why the majority of sci-fi/fantasy protagonists are human, regardless of how fantastical and unique the setting might be otherwise. Seriously, check out the sci-fi section of your local bookstore and see how many protagonists are anything other than human. Hell, just for fun, see how many are anything other than white, straight men and women. I don't think anyone would refute the necessity of using this trend to justify telling a complex story that involves aliens and other worldly technologies. It worked out really well for the original Mass Effect game, especially given the wealth of material it needed to establish. But how far are you really taking the series when the project leaders use this trend as both the primary story telling device and a selling point in the game's marketing? It just seems, I don't know, 'backwards'. Why go through all this trouble of creating alien races that have actual character to them but revert to the age old 'humanity is special' trope? I just don't feel comfortable in a story that puts humanity up on the top for no other reason than we think we deserve it, and SO MANY characters in Mass Effect feel that way. I'm going through some of my previous conversations with Tan and they mentioned that Alec Ryder would be concerned over the missing Arks. I almost did a spit take when I heard that after beating the game. Not only did Alec see the initiative as 'Humanity's Dream', he didn't give one single care about the well being of the Nexus or the other Arks when they finally arrived. And the game paints him as the awe inspiring hero we should look up to. It's pitiful. He would be concerned with the arks. Not preoccupied or fixated, but concerned. Human-centrism does not mean selfishness. Centrism in general doesn't mean anything bad. It can be indications of bad things, but also doesn't need to be that. Alec gave no indications of negative feelings towards aliens, their involvement in the Initiative, or their value. He only comes from a place of trying to protect humanity first, since the war he fought to keep Turians from harming humanity.
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Post by jeyl on Apr 28, 2017 14:00:59 GMT
When Alec specifically modifies his own SAM to give himself better chances at survival and keeps it to himself, yeah. He's doing something worse than diminishing the other races' value. It's outright saying they have no value at all. If these SAM upgrades were vital his, and ergo Humanity's chances of survival in Andromeda, why would he simply not share this with the other Pathfinders and keep it a secret amongst themselves? He only comes from a place of trying to protect humanity first, since the war he fought to keep Turians from harming humanity. Is that why he proudly displays the weapons he used during the First Contact War in his quarters? The same weapons that SAM specifically mentions he used to kill Turians with? For all his talk about how Andromeda will give folks a new beginning, he certainly doesn't want to let go of the memories of killing aliens.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 28, 2017 14:16:57 GMT
The asari are parasites attaching themselves to any true greatness. Well you know that old saying. Behind any great person is a hot, blue, pole dancer. Now I know what's missing from my life. I'ma buy some blue paint for my girlfriend.
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