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Post by maximusarael020 on Aug 31, 2016 3:35:31 GMT
Hello everyone! This is my first post here on the BSN Boards. I had looked through the posts here, as well as on the official Bioware Forum, but I haven't found anyone discussing this topic yet. In the E3 "trailer" from 2016, in the last shot before we see the FemRyder, we see at least 3 ARK ships. With them we see these odd rings. In the N7 day trailer from 2015, we see the same ARK ship, but it does not have the rings with it. My question is: What is your speculation as to the purpose of these rings? Are they merely construction platforms, similar to the shipyards in Star Trek? A structure made purely for the creation of the ARKs? Or do they somehow have something to do with how we get to Andromeda? Do they create a wormhole or maybe give a massive push to the ARKs toward the Andromeda galaxy? They obviously don't travel with us. I have been trying to think about what they might do, but I know many of you have greater knowledge of Mass Effect lore and have done more video breakdowns than I have. So I would like to hear what everyone thinks these rings might be for! Might as well speculate on something, right?
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Post by rapscallioness on Aug 31, 2016 7:19:14 GMT
Hmm, I think they may be some kind of construction platforms, as you mentioned. A way station type of thing for supplies and people.
I wish I could speculate about how the writers are getting us to Andromeda, but we don't really have enough info to work with.
Some have speculated an artificial wormhole may be created. Maybe residual energy from the Crucible blast, although we don't know when we're leaving..preciely.
If we're leaving before ME3, or there abouts, people have wondered where we got the tech and knowledge to travel to Andromeda? When the heck did we build these Vaults Arks?
These rings, however, I think are platforms; fuel lines; stealth tech/shield to keep them hidden until launch.
There' has been alot of spec on how we travel to Andromeda. Some good old fashioned debate. Perhaps when we get more info in general, we'll have a better idea of the how it happened.
It seems as though the passengers may be volunteers..explorers for different reasons. "Curiosity. Running to something...running away from something." So. it does not seems like an emergency situation that's making us leave the MW. At least not initially. The project may be repurposed for escape reasons later.
...the main issue people are having is how did we get this huge complicated project going with what the MW people knew and the tech they had at that point.
Maybe some shady corporation has been working on this for years and we just did not know about it. Some scavenged Reaper tech, reverse engineered. Or maybe we figured it out on our own, but it was kept hush hush. Corps. on Noveria, Ilium they get up to all sorts of skulduggery.
Perhaps these Arks were initially created to travel through the MW at large. Far corners of our galaxy because Andromeda is very far even for money interests when we have not explored more of the MW first. But they found out Reapers were coming and repurposed the Arks ...on a wing and a prayer to go to Andromeda.
Or maybe the ones that created these Arks were real crafty and did not tell the volunteers/passengers that it was a one way trip.
I hope it's interesting, whatever the case may be. I hope the opening of MEA is interesting and not just us waking up in Andromeda, and the how and why of how we got there is hand waved as "reasons". That would not bode well.
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Post by KirkyX on Aug 31, 2016 11:33:03 GMT
"Are they merely construction platforms, similar to the shipyards in Star Trek?"
I reckon you're pretty much spot on with that. Here's hoping we get some kind of ridiculously gratuitous starship porn 'leaving spacedock' sequence, in the finest space opera tradition. I absolutely love that sort of thing.
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Post by goishen on Aug 31, 2016 15:15:04 GMT
Personally, I believe that they are bi-directional mass relays, without all of the extra stuff to : 1, turn them on. 2, gather information from the ships. 3, check and see if that information is good (like the friend/foe thing from ME2).
These are like dumb mass relays. They'll let anything pass, as long as it fits through the opening. That's my theory at least.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Aug 31, 2016 15:23:08 GMT
Im imagining it working like a gun. As the momentum wears off the arms open out and the engines kick in or whenever is best.
Probably just construction stuff though.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 31, 2016 15:32:15 GMT
Here's a quick theory.
The rings are made of mined materials, held in storage on the ark. Some sort of space magic occurs where when a "relay" is needed, the ark has a materializing Star Trek-type transportation device that 3d prints the material instantly, for one use. The heat of the relay's effect destroys the ring.
Therefore, each planet must be mined.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 31, 2016 19:00:37 GMT
I'll speculate each is a mass relay with each ship designated for a different part of Andromeda to start a new network.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2016 19:03:42 GMT
Personally, I believe that they are bi-directional mass relays, without all of the extra stuff to : 1, turn them on. 2, gather information from the ships. 3, check and see if that information is good (like the friend/foe thing from ME2). These are like dumb mass relays. They'll let anything pass, as long as it fits through the opening. That's my theory at least. I'll speculate each is a mass relay with each ship designated for a different part of Andromeda to start a new network. They can't be Mass Relays. Mass Relays only work in tandem, meaning there has to be one where we are heading. Unless there are Mass Relays in Andromeda(one can hope) but that means the Reapers have been there so if we knew that and we are leaving to escape why would we go there?
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Post by goishen on Aug 31, 2016 19:46:02 GMT
It can work, 1-2, 2-3, 3-1. Imagine a triangle with flowing lines going from each.
That can also be why we're hunting the other Ryder/Ark. Because someone has taken over and completely forgotten about (or just won't) dropping/placing the mass relay.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2016 19:49:13 GMT
It can work, 1-2, 2-3, 3-1. Imagine a triangle with flowing lines going from each. That can also be why we're hunting the other Ryder/Ark. Because someone has taken over and completely forgotten about dropping/placing the mass relay. How would the first Ark get there then, if the others have to rely on the first being there? If they are all connected to each other, then they can only get to the Milky Way since that is where they all are at the beginning.
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Post by Adhin on Aug 31, 2016 19:56:27 GMT
Guys we know they get there via FTL and most (if not all) people are in stasis. It's a 'long flight' taking 600+ years. It's not speculation, that information came out (all be it semi-vague) at E3. No Mass Relays, no Wormholes. We literally fly there normally. That is, however, all we know and it's still a lot of questions.
As for what those circles are... I dunno. Could be things used when constructing the ships. Could be construction after we arrive in Andromeda. Part of me feels like that scene is from when the ARK ships are still in the Milky Way though. Like it's showing partially at least the preparation of the ships launch.
If not that then maybe they're building a space station? I feel like that maybe a tad pointless with 3 massive city ships though that people live on once we arrive lol.
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Post by maxon on Aug 31, 2016 20:00:22 GMT
Therefore, each planet must be mined. I suggest you go and sit in the corner and think about what you have said. When you have done that you can come back and apologise.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2016 20:07:18 GMT
Part of me feels like that scene is from when the ARK ships are still in the Milky Way though. Like it's showing partially at least the preparation of the ships launch. We know that scene takes place when we are still in the Milky Way. The planet the shuttles are leaving is undeniably Earth. You can see the Great Lakes, the Northeastern seaboard of North America, and the metropolises are all where they would be.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Aug 31, 2016 20:14:12 GMT
Personally, I believe that they are bi-directional mass relays, without all of the extra stuff to : 1, turn them on. 2, gather information from the ships. 3, check and see if that information is good (like the friend/foe thing from ME2). These are like dumb mass relays. They'll let anything pass, as long as it fits through the opening. That's my theory at least. What a great idea. Make sure the Reapers can get to Andromeda too!
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Post by rapscallioness on Aug 31, 2016 20:18:19 GMT
Guys we know they get there via FTL and most (if not all) people are in stasis. It's a 'long flight' taking 600+ years. It's not speculation, that information came out (all be it semi-vague) at E3. No Mass Relays, no Wormholes. We literally fly there normally. That is, however, all we know and it's still a lot of questions. As for what those circles are... I dunno. Could be things used when constructing the ships. Could be construction after we arrive in Andromeda. Part of me feels like that scene is from when the ARK ships are still in the Milky Way though. Like it's showing partially at least the preparation of the ships launch. If not that then maybe they're building a space station? I feel like that maybe a tad pointless with 3 massive city ships though that people live on once we arrive lol. Ah, yes, this is true. I forgot about that part. 600 years...wow.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Aug 31, 2016 20:31:40 GMT
Guys we know they get there via FTL and most (if not all) people are in stasis. It's a 'long flight' taking 600+ years. It's not speculation, that information came out (all be it semi-vague) at E3. No Mass Relays, no Wormholes. We literally fly there normally. That is, however, all we know and it's still a lot of questions. It's true we know we will be traveling in the ARKs for a long time to Andromeda. But we could start off that journey with some kind of "push" from a modified Mass Relay or through a wormhole that takes us just outside of the Milky Way and out of harm of the Reapers. It doesn't have to get us the whole way there, but shaving a few centuries off of the trip would be worth it. I think they are probably construction platforms, but it would be kind of neat for them to have some bigger purpose to get us out of the Milky Way. And until we get more info, speculation is all we have!
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Post by Adhin on Aug 31, 2016 20:32:43 GMT
Part of me feels like that scene is from when the ARK ships are still in the Milky Way though. Like it's showing partially at least the preparation of the ships launch. We know that scene takes place when we are still in the Milky Way. The planet the shuttles are leaving is undeniably Earth. You can see the Great Lakes, the Northeastern seaboard of North America, and the metropolises are all where they would be. Oh yeah man your right. Rewatched it that is definitely earth. Wonder if they where built there or... that's kinda weird. I mean I guess they had to pick some location to do make it might as well be earth? Kinda feels like a weird choice but from the perspective of new players, might as well start at earth so theres less questions about the not-earth they aren't going to get to see in the game lol. And I guess from our angle they can come up with any reason for why it was made at earth. And It's probably a human lead project on top of all that, least the building of em. Would explain them being named after human mythology.
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Post by CHRrOME on Aug 31, 2016 20:35:10 GMT
Personally, I believe that they are bi-directional mass relays, without all of the extra stuff to : 1, turn them on. 2, gather information from the ships. 3, check and see if that information is good (like the friend/foe thing from ME2). These are like dumb mass relays. They'll let anything pass, as long as it fits through the opening. That's my theory at least. I was thinking that too. Some sort of mass relay drive thing maybe. Personally, I believe that they are bi-directional mass relays, without all of the extra stuff to : 1, turn them on. 2, gather information from the ships. 3, check and see if that information is good (like the friend/foe thing from ME2). These are like dumb mass relays. They'll let anything pass, as long as it fits through the opening. That's my theory at least. What a great idea. Make sure the Reapers can get to Andromeda too! I know you are joking, but even if the Reapers could do it, it doesn't necessary mean they would. Their programming could be restricted to the milky way only.
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Post by goishen on Aug 31, 2016 20:42:30 GMT
Nonono. All of you are misunderstanding my point. If we all go to the same galaxy's cluster of stars and aliens are hostile, what then? Well, we would go into full on war mode or retreat mode. Neither is a very good situation for us. War mode is bad because it means that we have extremely limited resources and extremely limited manpower, and no way to call for backup. Retreat mode would be bad because if they're already hostile, what's going to stop them from chasing us down on their own turf?
No, it's much easier to send the three ships to three different star clusters, because then at least you know that one (or two) will survive. In the best possible scenario, all three would survive.
Then, set up mass relays once you've got your settlement established and it will connect with the other two. It will not connect with the MW mass relays at all.
EDIT : The reason for having the mass relays is for quick travel between the star clusters. You know how long it would take between the MW star clusters. Would take weeks, if not months to travel between two that were relatively close together at standard FTL speeds.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Aug 31, 2016 20:48:23 GMT
Personally, I believe that they are bi-directional mass relays, without all of the extra stuff to : 1, turn them on. 2, gather information from the ships. 3, check and see if that information is good (like the friend/foe thing from ME2). These are like dumb mass relays. They'll let anything pass, as long as it fits through the opening. That's my theory at least. I was thinking that too. Some sort of mass relay drive thing maybe. What a great idea. Make sure the Reapers can get to Andromeda too! I know you are joking, but even if the Reapers could do it, it doesn't necessary mean they would. Their programming could be restricted to the milky way only. I'm pretty sure the Reaper mandate was not to preserve life in the Milky Way at all costs. But regardless, "their programming could be restricted..."? It's not a chance I'd be willing to take. Especially if the move to Andromeda is motivated by the (imminent) Reaper invasion. It would be a crazy risk. I think we can safely discount the possibility that it's an open relay of sorts. It'd be ... well, utterly stupid.
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Post by Adhin on Aug 31, 2016 21:06:03 GMT
Nonono. All of you are misunderstanding my point. If we all go to the same galaxy's cluster of stars and aliens are hostile, what then? Well, we would go into full on war mode or retreat mode. Neither is a very good situation for us. War mode is bad because it means that we have extremely limited resources and extremely limited manpower, and no way to call for backup. Retreat mode would be bad because if they're already hostile, what's going to stop them from chasing us down on their own turf? No, it's much easier to send the three ships to three different star clusters, because then at least you know that one (or two) will survive. In the best possible scenario, all three would survive. Then, set up mass relays once you've got your settlement established and it will connect with the other two. It will not connect with the MW mass relays at all. Only problem with that is we don't know how to make Mass Relays. And are launch takes place before the events of ME3. So it's not like we can assume it's so far after ME3 prior to launch we've 'figured out the relays' enough to just produce them all willy nilly in Andromeda. In another thread I was saying I'd like it if in a later game we where experimenting with that and working towards setting up mass relays of our own in Andromeda. But the idea we could just pop over there and immediately get set on making massive relays we don't know how to make just isn't gonna work. Sides, we don't really need em if we're just splitting up which star we land around. Also, we could do the whole Geth thing and not stop at stars first but stop at the edge of the galaxy in between stars where we're less likely to run into anything. Literally no reason the ships have to be setup 'at' a star system at all. Ships like the Tempest are what go out and explore to find places to settle. But I think your on the mark with your consideration of hostile entities. Makes a lot of sense for them to keep the ARK's location as far away from anything that could be potentially dangerous, especially on arrival.
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Post by goishen on Aug 31, 2016 21:18:49 GMT
Right, but the arks could be like battleships. Battleships can cruise when they're on open water and they decide to open the engines up. But when they see a fleet of 7 battleships and 3 air craft carriers and they know the enemy's hostile, they know that they're fucked.
So, the best thing for them to do is to not be seen at all. Or at least together.
About the mass relays, asari already know how to construct them as far back as ME2.
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Post by Innocent Bystander on Aug 31, 2016 21:25:57 GMT
From that picture I'd say it looks more like drydock, there's only one ring at the "base" of the ark. Shipyards usually tends to have superstructures around ships being built.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 31, 2016 21:49:59 GMT
Therefore, each planet must be mined. I suggest you go and sit in the corner and think about what you have said. When you have done that you can come back and apologise. Mako... Mako. MAKO! (is a for finding resources lol)
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Post by Adhin on Aug 31, 2016 22:10:29 GMT
Right, but the arks could be like battleships. Battleships can cruise when they're on open water and they decide to open the engines up. But when they see a fleet of 7 battleships and 3 air craft carriers and they know the enemy's hostile, they know that they're fucked. So, the best thing for them to do is to not be seen at all. Or at least together. About the mass relays, asari already know how to construct them as far back as ME2. -- That isn't proof we know 'how' to make them. It's just proof she wanted to start towards that goal. And that is exactly what i was referring too btw. They don't have to be in any place anyone would have any reason to be looking. Like I said they can be in the places between planets, hell they could start by being on the very outskirt of the galaxy it's self. Close enough for smaller ships to make trips to stuff but not close enough for natives to find them by accident. I mean why would they be flying outside of their own galaxy to accidentally run into them? Space is a massive place, they'd have plenty of safe places to start out from like in deep space just outside the galaxy proper. Then inch there way in via other smaller ships before moving int he ARKS. I'd assume though that would of taken place before we actually play and will probably be a little more settled.
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