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Post by mrtijger on Apr 11, 2017 15:56:32 GMT
They left the stories unfinished like Jardaan, reasons of leaving the Milky way etc. I mean you learn that everyone in The Milky Way could be dead but it stops there or Angara were created by some higher race and noone bats an eye, noone wonders where Jardaan went or if Scource is related to it really. This game has very good story elements but all has left for DLCs rather than concluding them in the base game. If you want to make a DLC you should make it a seperate story but still tied to the plot, not bait players in game. This makes the game feel unfinished I'm not debating whether the game is finished or not as that wasn't my point. Nevertheless you'll find I agree that it's unfinished, but for the jaardan that can be expanded on in the sequal game as I don't think a 20 hour DLC expansion is enough for that. Why would anyone agree its unfinished because they deliberately left room for future sequels? Just like ME1 and 2 did. This, opening story, was wrapped up, it leaves them room to go to other destinations or directions in future games. Nothing unfinished or strange about that when you're not making a one off but the start of a new series.
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Post by joglee on Apr 11, 2017 15:59:59 GMT
No one is holding a gun to your head to buy a dlc, or shoving the same dlc down your throat. If you lack the willpower to just say no it is all on you. This has nothing to do with consumer will power,it about Bioware not finishing their damn game and fragmenting content in order to make a quick buck,we saw this happen with the ME3 Omega DLC,set the quest up in game and then to finish the quest you needed the DLC.......it's just a shady and cheap. If Bioware makes DLC then make some thing new. The main story in this game finished, what did not get fleshed out was minor side things they had going on behind the main quest.
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Post by ReptiloidGod on Apr 11, 2017 17:00:35 GMT
Whatever they are planning, I hope we will get this Quarian Ark DLC with some REALLY GOOD STORY. I don't want any Remnant origin DLC or Citadel 2.0, cause I don't have any feelings for this crew, like I have for Normandy buddies. Which will possibly develop over MEA2. MEA feels very much like ME1 to me, a lot is unfinished and the end open. I'll of course buy the DLCs. This game isn't bad, but it could be improved on many ways, I wish MEA > MEA2 could be like ME1 > ME2 again. This game will at least entertain me a while and I think its still better than playing early 2000s strategy games for the 10th time again.
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Post by solomace on Apr 11, 2017 22:45:33 GMT
Don't know if this has been discussed before but I realised MEA gave us some great stories and left them unfinished. I mean I was planning on buying the DLCs but it feels like DLC are being shoved down my throat True. What we need are: 1) Day one DLC introducing a major character that had a bearing on the main story 2) A DLC that fills in huge plot holes missing from the main story mission 3) A DLC to rewrite the culmination of the story and to fill in more plotholes 4) some outfit DLC 5) a DLC that bridges to the next game cramming in the setup for that game whilst simultaneously rewriting the lore and introducing another plothole Then it would feel like Mass Effect. Lol. The more I read your countless posts in every thread, the more I feel you don't even like the original MET. All you do is spew nothing but how bad MET is in your eyes. Your whole stance on defending MEA is that MET had all the same faults so why are people not enjoying MET. You got called out by someone who said you had an agenda and the more you post the more I'm starting to agree with them. Why not try to defend MEA on it's merits that you think it has rather than trying to bring down the MET to the same level as MEA which is never gonna happen. As to DLC, you will probably find people won't be buying them as much as those who bought the game. Plenty on here bought the game and didn't and still don't like what they bought, so getting more money from them is going to be a hard sell. Don't be surprised if only a couple come out or even just one.
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Post by panzerwzh on Apr 11, 2017 23:14:59 GMT
True. What we need are: 1) Day one DLC introducing a major character that had a bearing on the main story 2) A DLC that fills in huge plot holes missing from the main story mission 3) A DLC to rewrite the culmination of the story and to fill in more plotholes 4) some outfit DLC 5) a DLC that bridges to the next game cramming in the setup for that game whilst simultaneously rewriting the lore and introducing another plothole Then it would feel like Mass Effect. Defending the quality of MEA by describing lack of quality in the trilogy is an interesting approach. Desperate move in desperate times.
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Post by kelarqshah on Apr 12, 2017 0:49:02 GMT
I remember an early conversion with Tann that had me rolling my eyes at how obvious the DLC bait was. On that note, while I hate the very idea of micro-transactions, I'm okay with DLC so long as it is worth the pricetag. For the record, very few EA DLCs are worth the pricetag. That includes all of the original trilogy's DLC, though LotSB comes close. I read that as a way that they could forgo the expense having to animate an extra five races in the new engine for this game, and still have them show up later. I really don't get all the fuss. People complained after ME3 that the writers clearly got most of the way through the series without knowing for sure where it was going, and that ME2's plot was rendered completely meaningless by ME3. Now they're actually trying to worldbuild, foreshadow and set up, and people still complain? Eeesh...
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Post by solomace on Apr 12, 2017 0:55:07 GMT
I remember an early conversion with Tann that had me rolling my eyes at how obvious the DLC bait was. On that note, while I hate the very idea of micro-transactions, I'm okay with DLC so long as it is worth the pricetag. For the record, very few EA DLCs are worth the pricetag. That includes all of the original trilogy's DLC, though LotSB comes close. I really don't get all the fuss. People complained after ME3 that the writers clearly got most of the way through the series without knowing for sure where it was going, and that ME2's plot was rendered completely meaningless by ME3. Now they're actually trying to worldbuild, foreshadow and set up, and people still complain? Eeesh... Don't get all the fuss? People still complain? I take it you live in a vacuum...
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Apr 12, 2017 1:38:17 GMT
What's with this forum and having things shoved down their throats? The forums are generally full of whiny babies, it's normal.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 12, 2017 1:54:11 GMT
I remember an early conversion with Tann that had me rolling my eyes at how obvious the DLC bait was. On that note, while I hate the very idea of micro-transactions, I'm okay with DLC so long as it is worth the pricetag. For the record, very few EA DLCs are worth the pricetag. That includes all of the original trilogy's DLC, though LotSB comes close. I read that as a way that they could forgo the expense having to animate an extra five races in the new engine for this game, and still have them show up later. I really don't get all the fuss. People complained after ME3 that the writers clearly got most of the way through the series without knowing for sure where it was going, and that ME2's plot was rendered completely meaningless by ME3. Now they're actually trying to worldbuild, foreshadow and set up, and people still complain? Eeesh... 'Tis the way of the universe.
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Post by jediguardian on Apr 12, 2017 2:11:59 GMT
Main Story complete with some unsolve story and clue for next one. It's common thing on Movie, TV series and yes Game too.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 12, 2017 2:12:17 GMT
The quality of ME:A is neither here nor there. This is true, the quality is absent. In your opinion.
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Post by solomace on Apr 12, 2017 3:21:55 GMT
This is true, the quality is absent. In your opinion. Isn't everything in here understood to be an opinion unless someone specifically says it's a fact.. Does it need you to come in to this thread to mention this? Are you assuming everyone here is thick and cannot see the difference between an opinion and a fact? Who exactly are you helping out by stating the obvious or do you have nothing really to say?
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Post by smilesja on Apr 12, 2017 3:28:45 GMT
In your opinion. Isn't everything in here understood to be an opinion unless someone specifically says it's a fact.. Does it need you to come in to this thread to mention this? Are you assuming everyone here is thick and cannot see the difference between an opinion and a fact? Who exactly are you helping out by stating the obvious or do you have nothing really to say? Some do treat their opinion like a fact
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Post by solomace on Apr 12, 2017 3:35:08 GMT
Isn't everything in here understood to be an opinion unless someone specifically says it's a fact.. Does it need you to come in to this thread to mention this? Are you assuming everyone here is thick and cannot see the difference between an opinion and a fact? Who exactly are you helping out by stating the obvious or do you have nothing really to say? Some do treat their opinion like a fact And? Just because someone says its a fact doesn't mean it is on a forum talking about a game. If someone says the game is shit or the game is great, then it's assumed that it's an opinion as most people on here have the intelligence to know it's an opinion. Your one liners make you sound like you have nothing to really say and just feel the need to post. In my opinion...
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Post by smilesja on Apr 12, 2017 4:03:23 GMT
Some do treat their opinion like a fact And? Just because someone says its a fact doesn't mean it is on a forum talking about a game. If someone says the game is shit or the game is great, then it's assumed that it's an opinion as most people on here have the intelligence to know it's an opinion. Your one liners make you sound like you have nothing to really say and just feel the need to post. In my opinion... Like I said, some people do treated like a fact and will shove it down your throats. Whether it's a good game or not.
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Post by Elsariel on Apr 12, 2017 4:17:30 GMT
I'm glad they left some things open and I look forward to DLC's and sequels. The in-game story was wrapped up well enough to my satisfaction that I don't feel like I've been deprived of anything or sold short.
Das just me tho.
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Post by Puberty on Apr 12, 2017 4:21:52 GMT
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DUH It's 2017! How else are these corporations gonna make their money? By making quality games? Tuh.
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Post by raikas on Apr 12, 2017 4:23:40 GMT
I wasn't that impressed by the main story, but I actually thought they did a decent job of wrapping up the immediate A plot, while still leaving enough B plots for DLC (which is inevitable, so I'd rather see something that ties back to the main game rather than Pinnacle Station-type material) and enough of the over-arching stuff to set up a possible sequel.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 12, 2017 12:51:27 GMT
I wasn't that impressed by the main story, but I actually thought they did a decent job of wrapping up the immediate A plot, while still leaving enough B plots for DLC (which is inevitable, so I'd rather see something that ties back to the main game rather than Pinnacle Station-type material) and enough of the over-arching stuff to set up a possible sequel. ugh Pinnacle station was terrible. It's only fun part was reliving first contact.
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Post by egeslean05 on Apr 12, 2017 13:13:56 GMT
Here's my take on it: Yes ME:A is a DLC and sequel set up (because DUH!), but the reason (I think) why some people (including myself) are irked about how it went down is really simple; It doesn't feel good, it feels unresolved, it feels like an empty ending.
Compare that with a book I just finished yesterday, 'The Spirit Thief'. At the end of that book there were unresolved things, hints about things I'll (hopefully) learn about in sequel books, but the story that the book was telling felt complete at the end. I was satisfied. Yes, of course I was curious about the loose threads, which were left loose on purpose. I attribute that to giving me just enough to make me excited to learn and find out about the mystery, unlike ME:A where I felt like I was given very little, too little, and where a few things felt like they were brought up and then...dropped.
I think it's a fine line to walk between making a story (which ME:A is suppose to be) feel complete and contained while leaving the reader/player excited and wanting more and having it feel cut off prematurely, as if something is missing (like The Order 1886 did, ended when the real game should have started). To me, ME:A failed at doing this, and that's why it feels like BW or EA did this on purpose to sell DLC to 'complete' the game or sell the sequel in order to complete the story.
In ME 1 and 2, the only thing that was really left unresolved was the Reaper threat (as far as I can remember). Too much feels unresolved in ME:A.
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Post by revanshep78 on Apr 12, 2017 13:56:19 GMT
Even though I know it's near impossible, I would like to see more Alec Ryder in the game. Perhaps Meridian or something else of the Remnant revived him (a la Spock from Star Trek III). Yes I know that is trite, tropey, or whatever you want to call it. I understand plot-wise why it happened, but damn it feels like such a wasted opportunity with his death so early in the game. At least we have potential with Ryders' mother.
We have no idea what happened to or got to revisit Habitat 7 in the epilogue/post game. I wouldn't mind heading back there and seeing what's changed. And the Quarian Ark? Sigh, there are so many things they could run with. There's also a couple of novels coming later this year that will hopefully shed some light (or fill plot holes).
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 12, 2017 14:17:45 GMT
Even though I know it's near impossible, I would like to see more Alec Ryder in the game. Perhaps Meridian or something else of the Remnant revived him (a la Spock from Star Trek III). Yes I know that is trite, tropey, or whatever you want to call it. I understand plot-wise why it happened, but damn it feels like such a wasted opportunity with his death so early in the game. At least we have potential with Ryders' mother. We have no idea what happened to or got to revisit Habitat 7 in the epilogue/post game. I wouldn't mind heading back there and seeing what's changed. And the Quarian Ark? Sigh, there are so many things they could run with. There's also a couple of novels coming later this year that will hopefully shed some light (or fill plot holes). I'm pretty sure we don't "need" a new Project Lazarus. I'm not raining on you for wanting it but my guess something like that lead to a black hole forming somewhere in Canardia.
I sort of went back for the renaming but we should hopefully be back for some serious colonisingin the future.
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Post by revanshep78 on Apr 12, 2017 15:20:47 GMT
Even though I know it's near impossible, I would like to see more Alec Ryder in the game. Perhaps Meridian or something else of the Remnant revived him (a la Spock from Star Trek III). Yes I know that is trite, tropey, or whatever you want to call it. I understand plot-wise why it happened, but damn it feels like such a wasted opportunity with his death so early in the game. At least we have potential with Ryders' mother. We have no idea what happened to or got to revisit Habitat 7 in the epilogue/post game. I wouldn't mind heading back there and seeing what's changed. And the Quarian Ark? Sigh, there are so many things they could run with. There's also a couple of novels coming later this year that will hopefully shed some light (or fill plot holes). I'm pretty sure we don't "need" a new Project Lazarus. I'm not raining on you for wanting it but my guess something like that lead to a black hole forming somewhere in Canardia.
I sort of went back for the renaming but we should hopefully be back for some serious colonisingin the future.
I completely agree with you on your "Project Lazarus" point. I wasn't a big fan of that in ME2. I just wanted to see Alec in the game for longer and able to ask him questions about N7, SAM, humankind's first steps outside our solar system, and even Ryder's mother (which we may still get in a way). I guess it goes to show he was awesome while he was in the game and we shouldn't ruin it.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 12, 2017 15:25:04 GMT
Even though I know it's near impossible, I would like to see more Alec Ryder in the game. Perhaps Meridian or something else of the Remnant revived him (a la Spock from Star Trek III). Yes I know that is trite, tropey, or whatever you want to call it. I understand plot-wise why it happened, but damn it feels like such a wasted opportunity with his death so early in the game. At least we have potential with Ryders' mother. We have no idea what happened to or got to revisit Habitat 7 in the epilogue/post game. I wouldn't mind heading back there and seeing what's changed. And the Quarian Ark? Sigh, there are so many things they could run with. There's also a couple of novels coming later this year that will hopefully shed some light (or fill plot holes). You know, considering Alec's work on AI, I wouldn't mind an interactive VI similar to Princess Allura's father in the new Voltron series, or Dr. Lanning in I, Robot, something like a final journal to leave behind to his kids that he made out of regret when the expedition was first underway. Of course, he'd have to do this with the expectation that he might die before he had a chance to say all of these things in person.
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Post by egeslean05 on Apr 12, 2017 15:25:32 GMT
There's also a couple of novels coming later this year that will hopefully shed some light (or fill plot holes). This should never be a thing. No one should have to read a bunch of material outside of the game to understand what's going on or fill in plot holes. It is just a way for them to suck more money out of you and have bad writing in game. It's a disgusting practice.
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