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Post by leo3abp on Apr 12, 2017 13:31:21 GMT
For those of you who is not aware - there was a french stream shortly before game release, and due to some bug, when streamer started his game as a quickstart Sara Ryder, he got a completely different default face which surprisingly looked like it did not had a down syndrome which current Sara Ryder clearly suffers from judging by her facial expressions. After some discussions and investigation it was more or less universally agreed that this is most likely an original face from games early builds before Sara got hit with the ugly stick in BW attempt to appease to feminists and the rest of sjw crowd. Here is the record of that stream:
Now fast forward to patch 1.05. While some work to improve game faces, eyes, animations and lighting has clearly been done, it still does not solve the issue of Sara own facial expressions. The way I see it is that her facial animations originally were never meant for a face with such hypertrophic facial features that got more than twice the original size, especially lips and nose. Thus no matter how much effort BW will put into Sara face with manually adjusting her animations, she will still look retarded and the only way to fix her would be either to completely redo her facial animations manually from scratch, or finding a person with equally hypertrophic facial features, which probably would be even more of a challenge, and go through entire scanning process and then manual polish. Both of those methods of fixing Sara seem unreasonable when considering the costs and time involved only for a sake of appeasing feminists and keeping "ugly" Sara in game. What I propose is instead of wasting time and money, BW managment need to grow some balls and at least for once throw that sjw bullshit into a rubbish bin where it belongs, and return original Sara Ryder face which will automatically solve most of her facial animation issues, because all animations were recorded and made for that face originally. Why should everyone suffer for the sake of appeasing some crazy minority which would always be complaining about something anyway? Considering the importance of this matter and that BW does actually reads, or at least gets some feedback from this forum, I think it is important that this issue as well as a best and most obvious solution to it, must be highlighted. In otther words, maybe if we ask hard enough, then BW will listen. Certainly works for some demographics... why should we be any worse? Especially considering that this suggestion will benefit virtually everyone except maybe a few fanboys who undoubtedly will come screaming in this thread about how original face with clear down syndrome on it is so much better than a normal human looking Sara.
#giveoriginalSaraRyderfaceback
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 12, 2017 13:40:32 GMT
#MakeSaraEurasian
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Post by timebean on Apr 12, 2017 13:41:13 GMT
I would be happy to just have that face as a option in the CC. I don't think the changes are a conspiracy (although I will admit, at first, I kinda felt like purposefully uglied the character up for...some reason. But then I realized that is beyond stupid). IF you compare pics, the new Ryder actually looks more like the face model than the iteration in the video. I really think it is that simple. Model below.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 12, 2017 13:41:55 GMT
I definitely prefer the old Sara face. All BW would really need to do is add it as a new custom Preset and pair it with the default Scott and Alec. That alone would make me satisfied if not happy.
I'd like to see several new presets both male and female with more natural and proportionate facial geometries. More freedom in the CC to swap eyes, nose, mouth, cheek, chin, and brow types instead of having them all fixed allowing only minor scaling adjustments of those features. More skin tone options are desperately needed for lighter skin tones, at least some pale and rosy colored Caucasian tones which are completely absent in the current CC. Some less saturated hair colors would be nice as well.
It isn't just default Sara that is the problem. It is all the female presets and the horrid CC overall.
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Post by Jacket on Apr 12, 2017 13:42:31 GMT
Leave the poor woman alone. She's still having nightmares of her past with the Asari.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 12, 2017 13:43:48 GMT
Man who cares about defaults. Make the CC great again.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 12, 2017 13:50:22 GMT
The facial animations were fine as well. Honestly, that version/build, whatever magical one it was looked more finished and polished than what I got.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 12, 2017 13:51:07 GMT
Keep to the topic folks. No need to get personal here.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 12, 2017 13:53:48 GMT
Keep to the topic folks. No need to get personal here. Surely that depends if you have or know someone who has down syndrome? Pretty shitty thing to say by the OP.
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Post by Rascoth on Apr 12, 2017 14:02:27 GMT
Thread title: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I prefer current Sara. And contrary to many, I really like her.
The rest? Tl:dr.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 12, 2017 14:03:09 GMT
Clearly some people, which also happen (purely by accident ofc)to pop in every thread and defend this game by all means necessary, try to put this thread down on purpose for the sole reason if it being a constructive critique of their beloved game. It is more than obvious that "down syndrome" - "normal human" reference was not meant as insult in any way, and is simply a choice of words for better illustration of the context of the post. So you might need to come up with something more solid in your feats of fanboy rage to silence all possible critique, than trying to stretch on those two phrases. But hey, don't let me stop you, the form and content of your complaints and rage are perfect illustration why so many things went wrong with Andromeda.
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Post by armass81 on Apr 12, 2017 14:06:13 GMT
"Sara got hit with the ugly stick in BW attempt to appease to feminists and the rest of sjw crowd"
Not this fucking shit again... Im getting really weary of hearing of this shit, and of Witcher 3 in any complaints. Witcher 3 I can at least understand, but this...?
Look if you dont like basic Sara, just make your own. Theres some better looking ones withs sliders online, so google them.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 12, 2017 14:11:49 GMT
Surely that depends if you have or know someone who has down syndrome? Pretty shitty thing to say by the OP. Not really. Attacking a fictional character is one thing, attacking a user here is something else entirely. Down's Syndrome has nothing to do with it.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 12, 2017 14:13:28 GMT
"Sara got hit with the ugly stick in BW attempt to appease to feminists and the rest of sjw crowd" Not this fucking shit again... Im getting really weary of hearing of this shit, and of Witcher 3 in any complaints. Witcher 3 I can at least understand, but this...? Look if you dont like basic Sara, just make your own. Theres some better looking ones withs sliders online, so google them. If I want to play Asian or dark-skinned Sara, then I certainly will, but otherwise you are missing a whole point of this thread. Why making something worse on purpose and harm everyone, when you had something better to begin with?
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Post by armass81 on Apr 12, 2017 14:22:09 GMT
"Sara got hit with the ugly stick in BW attempt to appease to feminists and the rest of sjw crowd" Not this fucking shit again... Im getting really weary of hearing of this shit, and of Witcher 3 in any complaints. Witcher 3 I can at least understand, but this...? Look if you dont like basic Sara, just make your own. Theres some better looking ones withs sliders online, so google them. If I want to play Asian or dark-skinned Sara, then I certainly will, but otherwise you are missing a whole point of this thread. Why making something worse on purpose and harm everyone, when you had something better to begin with? I dont know why they did that, but to say its some SJW conspiracy is quite ridiculous imo. I cant take anyone online seriously who goes that route, without compelling evidence. I agree that the other face is cuter, and questioned the change too. But it is what it is. If we get some real answers, then well see.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 12, 2017 14:25:04 GMT
Surely that depends if you have or know someone who has down syndrome? Pretty shitty thing to say by the OP. Not really. Attacking a fictional character is one thing, attacking a user here is something else entirely. Down's Syndrome has nothing to do with it. It does in the terms of reference of him saying it needs to be changed as it so defective. Pretty offensive if say your brother has it.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 12, 2017 14:25:16 GMT
Upon further consideration, this is a topic that has been breached many times and in the past we've decided to direct all discussion to this thread: bsn.boards.net/thread/2473/ugly-characters-threadPlease go there if you wish to discuss further. This thread is now locked.
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