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Post by ZaudStorm™ on Apr 13, 2017 9:13:59 GMT
The Jardaan seems to be even light years ahead of the Protheans since they have the capability to terraform any planet using the vault network to make it habitable plus Meridian (Dyson Sphere) is beyond the capabilities of any Milky Way species. Also the ability to create life (Angara) and machines like the Remnant Architect leaves me to believe that even the Reapers could be defeated conventionally by them. Thoughts?
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 13, 2017 9:24:17 GMT
You seem to be fond of silly polls. Reaper vs Architect and now this. Do you want to count people with low cognitive abilities on BSN or what?
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Post by PillarBiter on Apr 13, 2017 9:25:02 GMT
Probably Jardaan. I must admit my curiosity is piqued about what happend to them. And who their enemy is.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 13, 2017 9:27:42 GMT
Milky Way pride all the way. The Jaardan might be able to do stuff with genetics and eco systems but protheans did manage to create a mass relay. Besides we have reapers in the MW who managed to create a galaxy spanning transit system that would allow you to travel thousands of light years in a manner of seconds. Andromeda might be the larger galaxy but the MW is the alpha galaxy in this galactic cluster.
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Post by neoiceman on Apr 13, 2017 9:39:29 GMT
Milky Way pride all the way. The Jaardan might be able to do stuff with genetics and eco systems but protheans did manage to create a mass relay. Besides we have reapers in the MW who managed to create a galaxy spanning transit system that would allow you to travel thousands of light years in a manner of seconds. Andromeda might be the larger galaxy but the MW is the alpha galaxy in this galactic cluster. We dont kow to what the Jaardan are capable of, it can be that the have also somewhat like Mass Relay to move from one to another cluster, Helios Cluster was not the Maincluster for them, only the playground for Genetics and Terraforming.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 13, 2017 9:48:19 GMT
I think a better question would have been whether the Jardaan are technically superior to the Leviathans. The Protheans were puppets, like every other race in the Milky Way species.
As far as the Reapers are concerned, they are superior to the Remnant. Why, you ask? The Reapers are sentient and can indoctrinate organics and enslave synthetics. The Remnants, as far as we understand them, are merely tools that can be manipulated by anyone who understands Remnant tech. I could easily see a Reaper infecting a Remnant Architect and using it to destroy other Remnant.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 13, 2017 9:50:49 GMT
Remnant are just suped up mechs. I put the geth above them.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 13, 2017 9:54:22 GMT
The Jardaan seems to be even light years ahead of the Protheans since they have the capability to terraform any planet using the vault network to make it habitable plus Meridian (Dyson Sphere) is beyond the capabilities of any Milky Way species. Also the ability to create life (Angara) and machines like the Remnant Architect leaves me to believe that even the Reapers could be defeated conventionally by them. Thoughts? You do realize that Reapers are around for millions of years and that amount of time to improve their technology. The Remnant fleet is not "that advanced" because the Katt can take them out with their dated ships. How long do you think the entire Katt fleet in Heleus can last against Sovereign? The Jardaan is advance in terraforming but that is about it. As for the Architect... well, Harbinger will just hack them and assume control. To win against the Reapers conventionally... maybe those who release the scourge could - just release the scourge all over milky way and have them target Reapers... although that would not be exactly "conventional" because they have just made the entire galaxy into a huge death trap.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 13, 2017 9:56:19 GMT
I think a better question would have been whether the Jardaan are technically superior to the Leviathans. The Protheans were puppets, like every other race in the Milky Way species. As far as the Reapers are concerned, they are superior to the Remnant. Why, you ask? The Reapers are sentient and can indoctrinate organics and enslave synthetics. The Remnants, as far as we understand them, are merely tools that can be manipulated by anyone who understands Remnant tech. I could easily see a Reaper infecting a Remnant Architect and using it to destroy destroy other Remnant. Well, Reapers are just honed for dealing with violent resistance, hence they are better in all kinds of warfare, while Remnants are about large scale projects.
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 13, 2017 10:00:22 GMT
What's even cooler story wise is the whole Jardaan conflict and their existence in Heleus only took place a few hundred years before the events of the game. Heck everything happened while the Andromeda Initiative was in dark space.
People keep wanting to compare them to the protheans as some ancient race but in reality, they aren't that ancient and possibly very much still alive and well in Andromeda. And we have no clue if friend or foe or both as the scourge could be a result of a civil war.
And this thread should be in the spoilers thread
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Post by neoiceman on Apr 13, 2017 10:01:00 GMT
The Jardaan seems to be even light years ahead of the Protheans since they have the capability to terraform any planet using the vault network to make it habitable plus Meridian (Dyson Sphere) is beyond the capabilities of any Milky Way species. Also the ability to create life (Angara) and machines like the Remnant Architect leaves me to believe that even the Reapers could be defeated conventionally by them. Thoughts? You do realize that Reapers are around for millions of years and that amount of time to improve their technology. The Remnant fleet is not "that advanced" because the Katt can take them out with their dated ships. How long do you think the entire Katt fleet in Heleus can last against Sovereign? The Jardaan is advance in terraforming but that is about it. As for the Architect... well, Harbinger will just hack them and assume control. To win against the Reapers conventionally... maybe those who release the scourge could - just release the scourge all over milky way and have them target Reapers... although that would not be exactly "conventional" because they have just made the entire galaxy into a huge death trap. But what will an Reaper do against the Scurge? We dont know what it is and what its purpouse is, but i think it will fuck an Reaper faster than Shepard any Crewmember.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 13, 2017 10:04:51 GMT
You do realize that Reapers are around for millions of years and that amount of time to improve their technology. The Remnant fleet is not "that advanced" because the Katt can take them out with their dated ships. How long do you think the entire Katt fleet in Heleus can last against Sovereign? The Jardaan is advance in terraforming but that is about it. As for the Architect... well, Harbinger will just hack them and assume control. To win against the Reapers conventionally... maybe those who release the scourge could - just release the scourge all over milky way and have them target Reapers... although that would not be exactly "conventional" because they have just made the entire galaxy into a huge death trap. But what will an Reaper do against the Scurge? We dont know what it is and what its purpouse is, but i think he will fuck an Reaper fast than Shepard any Crewmember. In game it is explained that the scourge is a dark energy weapon of mass destruction that is something like a landmine and targets Remnant constructs. As I said, if the scourge is released upon the Reapers, it could actually stand a chance to defeat them BUT the scourge is not exactly a conventional weapon - it is a weapon of mass destruction and if you release that in the Milky Way... well, you are basically screwing an entire galaxy to defeat the Reapers.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 13, 2017 10:19:50 GMT
You do realize that Reapers are around for millions of years and that amount of time to improve their technology. The Remnant fleet is not "that advanced" because the Katt can take them out with their dated ships. How long do you think the entire Katt fleet in Heleus can last against Sovereign? The Jardaan is advance in terraforming but that is about it. As for the Architect... well, Harbinger will just hack them and assume control. To win against the Reapers conventionally... maybe those who release the scourge could - just release the scourge all over milky way and have them target Reapers... although that would not be exactly "conventional" because they have just made the entire galaxy into a huge death trap. But what will an Reaper do against the Scurge? We dont know what it is and what its purpouse is, but i think it will fuck an Reaper faster than Shepard any Crewmember. Comparison is incorrect. Reapers are sapient and capable of problem solving. Remnants are just robots with basic software, they simply can't realize what Scourge is and do anything against it.
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Post by cszoltan on Apr 13, 2017 10:50:29 GMT
Milky Way pride all the way. The Jaardan might be able to do stuff with genetics and eco systems but protheans did manage to create a mass relay. Besides we have reapers in the MW who managed to create a galaxy spanning transit system that would allow you to travel thousands of light years in a manner of seconds. Andromeda might be the larger galaxy but the MW is the alpha galaxy in this galactic cluster. They reverse engineered the relays and it still didn't work perfectly. Big whoop. Creating species and terraforming a cluster are better than that.
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Post by Archangel on Apr 13, 2017 10:50:47 GMT
They early in the games that the Protheans were more advanced, but their tech was "plug and play". Remnant tech is less advanced but harder to understand. I'm guessing the writers didn't want to turn Remnant tech into Magitech like they already did with the mass effect. Think about it, many of the uses for the mass effect are stupid and make no sense and wouldn't work in reality. Traynor's toothbrush...very realistic
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Post by Matterthief on Apr 13, 2017 11:34:34 GMT
They early in the games that the Protheans were more advanced, but their tech was "plug and play". Remnant tech is less advanced but harder to understand. It wasn't really their technology though, they stumbled upon the ruins of a previous civilization (the inusannon) same as humans did on Mars. Anyway: Leviathans > Reapers > ... > Jardaan > ... > Protheans > primitives aka Milky Way races > kett
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Post by Antibaar on Apr 13, 2017 11:40:17 GMT
My guts says in the next MEA will meet Jardaan.As for advance...I think Jardaan are more advanced than Protheans but not Reapers.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 13, 2017 11:45:49 GMT
Jardaan are even more powerful than Reapers, as they could create life, when Reapers could only transform it into another reaper form.
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Post by Archangel on Apr 13, 2017 11:58:19 GMT
Jardaan are even more powerful than Reapers, as they could create life, when Reapers could only transform it into another reaper form. "Create life" is a pretty nebulous term that wasn't defined in the game.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 13, 2017 12:07:29 GMT
Creating life does not make one more powerful. That just means they specialized in something different. Reaper's focus on sheer military power, destroying everything in their path. However, having said that, those little Jardaan fighters at the end, is hardly indicative of their military potential. Keep in mind the absolutely gigantic Jardaan Warship buried on Eladeen. That thing has to be as large as a Reaper, keep it mind, it was still 60% buried.
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Post by KLGChaos on Apr 13, 2017 12:13:20 GMT
The Jaardan seem to be more advanced in organic technology. The ability to create beings and terraform planets. However, they are less advanced when it comes to synthetic life. I believe even Peebee says that the Remnant are basically just crude VIs.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 13, 2017 12:44:39 GMT
Why are we even comparing them to Protheans. You're comparing a race that found some tech and developed their society off it to a race that created tech for others to use. You may as well compare Protheans to Reapers or Leviathans.
We should be using Reapers or Leviathans, not Protheans.
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Post by shechinah on Apr 13, 2017 12:54:22 GMT
You do realize that Reapers are around for millions of years and that amount of time to improve their technology. The question is if the Reapers did improve their technology in all those years. If the Reapers have always been successful with each cycle then they may have never seen the need to make any sort of technological advancement beyond what they have. Their usual modus operandi until Shepard's cycle led me to believe that this was the case.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 13, 2017 14:06:55 GMT
You do realize that Reapers are around for millions of years and that amount of time to improve their technology. The question is if the Reapers did improve their technology in all those years. If the Reapers have always been successful with each cycle then they may have never seen the need to make any sort of technological advancement beyond what they have. Their usual modus operandi until Shepard's cycle led me to believe that this was the case. There is also a direct quote from Suvi or Peebee that mentioned remnant technology is not as advanced as the Prothean ruins in Mars. Remnant tech is harder to use because Prothean tech is plug and play. Also, nothing in the MW can even remotely compare to Sovereign in the first encounter. Katt who are less advance than MW have no problem taking out Remnant ships. Finally, the Reapers harvest and absorb countless civilization, to assume they didn't progress is not realistic. Why would the Jardaan who had to flee stand a chance against the victor of countless battles?
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 13, 2017 14:11:46 GMT
They early in the games that the Protheans were more advanced, but their tech was "plug and play". Remnant tech is less advanced but harder to understand. It wasn't really their technology though, they stumbled upon the ruins of a previous civilization (the inusannon) same as humans did on Mars. Anyway: Leviathans > Reapers > ... > Jardaan > ... > Protheans > primitives aka Milky Way races > kett There simply is no proof of that. Just because the Jardaan is more advance in terraforming does not make them more advance than Protheans. That is like saying Katt is more advance than Asari because they are advance in genetics.
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